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Celebrities sign an anti Ai letter
https://apple.news/AEwwCNCpzTiGrANSj7xEkHw
Reminds me of when drum machines came out . Is it just me, or is this all frigging stupid? You may not like certain aspects of it but it IS progress . Embrace it . Take what you need and leave the rest .
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I didn’t know actors were artists!
(But fwiw they do say celebrities/“creatives”)
Ai is concerning when you have a job that will be axed or artisitic work that will be copied and ripped off.
I'm not sure if it is "progress". It looks like it is the future, but not necessarily a better future.
We still have drummers.
Yes, it is progress.
However would you like your i.d stolen, your bank account cleared
and your work replaced by someone pretending to be you?
If so send us your bank account details, birth certificate, drivers license and passport and we'll replace you.
They are not denouncing the use of A.I, they are denouncing people using A.I to create work
that uses their lifes work without their permission which is a different thing.
Identity fraud is already a problem without A.I. because it turns out all you need to hack critically complex systems is a convincing excuse... and then suddenly a social engineering 'evildoer' can walk into a vault and walk out with every piece of critically important information we have. No matter how secure a system is, if people are part of that system it is vulnerable.
Agreed and that's what I'm trying to point out to the OP.
Again agreed.
A.I itself isn't bad or evil or whatever, it's other people who are using A.I that are doing all of this heinous stuff.
People are the ones who do the most damage to other people.
No, it isn’t stupid.
If you read what they are objecting to, it is the use of their creative product as source material for training AIs.
I don't think it is frigging stupid at all. But I do think resistance is futile.
Is no one afraid? I mean the matrix might not be what this is, but imagine…. something Like the matrix in 100 years. When you know we SCORCH THE SKY with global warming. Omg!!!!( I didn’t take neither,nor red/blues tonight
)
The parallels are scary and the truth of resistance being futile scarier …
Exactly - the objections are all valid but there's no getting the toothpaste back in the tube now.
I am having hard core deja vu right now. I think we already had this thread... hmm, speaking of the Matrix...
Sure there's a way. A democratic society could elect to shut it down (for example, by deciding that the power consumption is unjustified in the face of climate disaster). But we don't live in a democratic society, no matter where we live on the globe.
Force me to shut down my computer?
lemme reword it, I was totally making a joke about the matrix . Not endorsing anything like doing anything otherwise , is that better?
My cryptic post was alluding to the fact that I think the AI companies need to be regulated to guardrail against certain risks.
Only 29 words? They should have used chatGPT
I should have read more carefully it looks like :: It initially looked like they were protesting ai in general. But drum machines did the same thing to many drummers . Many times they cost drummers work. The smart ones actually got drum machines and created work for themselves . I see this as inevitable . I don’t think it will be stopped by any kind of legislation.
You are correct. If laws are passed in the US or EU to restrict their use, other countries will aggressively move forward with less (or no) restrictions and they will quickly take the leader position.
Imagine living in a world where this achieved something.
https://mashable.com/article/ai-open-letter-thome-york-julianne-moore?test_uuid=01iI2GpryXngy77uIpA3Y4B&test_variant=b
Link that I could open without Apple News installed…
Seems fairly appropriate to try to apply at least existing copyright laws to this stuff, if stealing is wrong for piracy reasons, it’s even more wrong for corporations to build empires from…
It always has been wrong, but it’s never stopped them.
They know it, we know it, troubling times ahead.
True, but if someone doesn’t clean up the toothpaste someone may slip on it.
The US copyright office has said that the existing copyright laws don't apply to the inputs of a process, but rather only the outputs. This video is a bit old (by AI time standards) but it is not like laws are quick to change anyway so it is still relevant. In a nutshell it was pretty discouraging news for a lot of people to realize the lack of anti AI support on the grounds of copyright.
I guess I’m too busy making art to watch two hours of that sorry! In short I don’t agree with that principle though, and it’ll be cold dead hands time before too long I suspect. The winner in the AI game will the ones who can prove that their product is clean and actually usable in the commercial space, otherwise, it’s all going to be useless…that stuff that Adobe trailed last week actually looked viably useful to artists like me, ans I think they’re at least keeping the receipts in the training phase of their products. Finally they might get my appreciation again!
I definitely would not watch the video. Two hours of a boring brady bunch intro? no thanks. Easy enough to listen to while working though if you want to be informed about this stuff.
As for Adobe they are 100% full of crap with their 'ethically trained' marketing. They trained on Adobe Stock submissions from users who absolutely never accepted beforehand to have their images used in training data (many of which have hilariously been AI generated on other 'dirty' platforms). They simply panicked and jumped on the bandwagon when they saw others may eat their lunch. Also many 'actually viable useful' tools have been available to artists for the past two years in the open source community.
Well, it’s all a bit of a nightmare, maybe it’ll just end in nothing being able to be copyrighted, total collapse of the creative ecosystem, may the biggest server win😅😞
(Sorry, I’m feeling grumpy this afternoon, I’ve just broken down a project I need to finish for a minuscule budget and there’s so much drawing to do before I even think about building the scenes)
And no, there’s no way I can see that any AI tool will speed this particular project up, it’s participatory arts being shammied up into a VR film…
Ugh, too tru
Wasn’t cryptic at all! I legit love that song. It WAS a favorite of mine for a few months when I was a young lad, played multiple times a day
G FUNK- where rhythm is life !
(my reply was odd I see now lol, but edited my post because my initial response was something to the effect of I didn’t mean to imply anything with scorching the sky; then I changed it, as I didn’t want to stir up “controversy” when I was just making a joke about the movie
With that said, I’m going to just remind everyone , let’s make sure this stays on topic, [please keep political implications out of it]
I'll just leave this here.
There's definitely cause for alarm if you are part of the film industry. But like other industries that have been "disrupted" people will find ways to make a living.
In some ways I kinda welcome things like this, maybe it’ll mean less money spent on solving tech problems in film and more attention to actually making compelling stories; there’s been a real slide towards derivative content over the past forty years and without something changing, the industry will die anyway… just reading this book about the summer releases of 1982 (the future was now by Chris Nashawaty) and it’s like night and day the risk taking they made with those movies back then that they just can’t now with the insane budgets the tech dictates…
hehe, I have no idea what that means