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Let’s not forget what a big thing Logic Pro for iPad was when first released. And I STILL think so. It’s only gonna get better
The answer is a firm "no" on my part. There is absolutely no way I'm going to have an ever increasing pile of subscriptions to deal with. And no way I want to revisit purchase decisions every month.
But for something more substantial like a DAW, if it's your main one and you're using it all the time, it could make sense.
And even for me, if I looked at it like renting a movie - pay a small amount one time when you feel like it, I would be fine with that. I just have no need for Logic Pro on iPad. If I did though, I'd do it that way.
If one must closely watch their expenditures, then it's exactly what anyone would do. I have to review all of my expenses on a monthly basis (sometimes more often than that) to make sure I'm not breaking my budget.
Sporadical users are unlikely to plan to use a piece of software for say, next month, re-subscribe, do a full month’s work in it, then unsubscribe again at the end.
I honestly don’t know anyone who works like that.
If you’re an occasional user you’ll dip in for a day or two, now and then. If you are going to get a full month’s use, then you’d probably keep the sub going.
I gave it a good go, and I honestly really like it. I spent a month learning how to use it, a few months making actual music, but then just didn’t get around to using it and realised I was leaking cash for no reason. There are just too many alternatives available that don’t take my money when they’re not being used, and don’t require micro-managing a subscription.
You do know someone who works like that now. 😉
If there was a feature of Logic Pro, such as the mastering assistant or session musicians, I needed even for a day, I would pay $5 for it. Why is that so far fetched? People pay $4.99 to rent a movie for 48 hours all the time.
I wouldn't. I won't have leakages as you so aptly put it accumulating everywhere. I'd do without Logic Pro unless it was the center of my workflow or at least in heavy regular use.
A hypothetical scenario:
After 3-5 years you want to rework a project.
You gather the tools used which may take some effort, you re-subscribe to find compatibility issues all over… my point is - DAW is the centre of most setups, you have to be able to rely on it rather than fight it.
And again, micheal_m’s point - most people will likely fail to keep up, altogether they are already paying significantly more and on top of that they end up way worse.
Luckily I’m not interested in Logic at all. The main reason I am following its progress is that I was expecting Apple to address some of their OS and audio handling issues since now they have a ‘proper’ horse in the race.
But it isn’t a movie, it’s a DAW. So you wouldn’t just drop in to master a track from Note, or Drambo, you’d have spent previous time prior to that using Logic to compose your track.
Same with the session ‘musicians’ (which I was seriously unimpressed with, tbh), it’s unlikely you would bring in a project from Cubasis just to add a bass line, the whole thing would be created in Logic. And as @0tolerance4silence pointed out above, dropping back in after not using the app for a long period could raise compatibility issues.
Well there you go then, that’s the whole point of my post 😄
You can try all you like to convince me that I don't see any advantage to this approach, but I do. I'm not sure why that's worth bothering with for you. 😉✌🏼
I rented a movie last week for about the same amount. I used it for two hours. The movie was just OK. I didn't wring my hands over the lost investment. I didn't decide to never rent another movie again either.
On that point we're in total agreement. 😎
It’s no bother, I’m just explaining why I’m not interested in paying a subscription for an app I’m not using, and why the hassle of juggling turning it on and off doesn’t fit my workflow. Though the fact you’ve confirmed you wouldn’t do this either, and don’t even use the app we’re discussing, leaves me a bit confused why you’re debating it in the first place 🤔
I haven’t used the app for three months, so the next payment would add up to nearly twenty quid. I’ve got lots of music apps already, a badly paid full-time job, family, health concerns, bills, a life etc. Working out when I’m going to use an app or not and remembering when I’ve forgotten to unsubscribe just doesn’t work for me, since this is already an expensive hobby.
I’m not some kind of weirdo. Read the reviews. A lot of people are coming to the same conclusion.
You don’t think clear on this subject.
I make a lot of .ipa exports from my iPad Pro 12.9” with iMazing on my Mac - have over 600 apps backed up, several in different versions if I want to go back to previous version if a new update have serious problem…
If you wanna be safe with old Logic project on iPad, just revert your Logic back to an older version if you got compatibility issues…
Pretty impressed that so many users in this thread about Logic for iPad is zero interested in Logic, albeit must tell the world that subscription is the devils work…
Can be some irony above.
Neither of us are looking for debate. We're both just explaining our thoughts on it. The thought that the subscription option for Logic might have some attraction for me was a new one. I honestly am open to a sporadic one-month rental of it ... if I ever have enough interest.
No. That's not how it works. You would pay $5 for the one month. You wouldn't have any back payments to make. In the meantime you'd still have access to your existing projects, just not to modify them.
I never said you were. Sorry if I said expressed anything poorly so as to make you think I thought that.
That's a good point and well worth making whenever someone is concerned about updates (to apps, not the OS) breaking things.
Pretty impressed how easily that gets under your skin. 😉
I’ve been using Logic on desktop for over 10 years. And as stated I actually really enjoyed using it on iOS.
No complaints about the software whatsoever, I just don’t like paying for something I’m not using on a regular basis.
No need to apologise, I didn’t think you did, just explaining that my point of view - despite the reactions on this forum - is my thoughts on subscriptions aren’t as unusual as they seem to be portrayed.
The cup of coffee or movie rental comparisons are slightly disingenuous though. If I hadn’t cancelled I’d have spent £20 on something I haven’t used, and then another fiver each month if I don’t remember to cancel. That’s not nothing. And it doesn’t help the iOS music community in general either, as it means I have less available cash to spend on products by other developers, instead of feeding Apple’s already bursting coffers for something I’m not even using.
I like Logic for iPad and have used it everyday since release. To me, $50 a year is not bad at all. I like having a full-fledged DAW and it's the smoothest imo. I was previously all in on Zenbeats, but the bugs drove me crazy, midi editing and automations were a mess. Logic is a huge breath of fresh for me. All the extra stuff like the session players and mastering assistant are icing on the cake.
That said, I am keen to try Loopy again when the midi update arrives. But in the meantime I'll keep using Logic as it works best for me.
At the end of the day, use what works best for you and stop worrying about what other people are doing. The original post in this thread cracks me up. Who are you to tell me to stop using Logic? 😂 Kinda surprised this thread wasn't closed from the jump to be honest...
I'm not being disingenuous at all. This is a genuine reaction on my part.
To clarify on the cancellation part, if you know you're not likely to use the app after the month, you can cancel immediately and you still get the full month without having to remember to cancel. It's not like the other traps of such subscription services.
Apple keeps trying to give me a free year or three months or whatever of Apple TV and that gaming thing. I don't bite for that very reason. I don't want to have to remember to cancel at the end of the period. But Logic doesn't work that way.
As for the last comment, I totally agree. Directing what little app spending money we have to independent developers rather than to Apple is more beneficial to the market we're interested in.
Only if you cancel at the beginning of the month.
Maybe my brain works differently, but I don’t suddenly think ‘oh I’m not going to use Logic next month, and my subscriptions due tomorrow so I’d better cancel’.
What happens is I suddenly realise that I haven’t used the app for a while because I’ve been busy doing life stuff (you know, going to work, paying the bills, ferrying the kid to hospital, responding to comments on music forums) to focus on my Logic subscription and how much usage I have - and might have in the future, and so several months have passed and I’m £20 worse off. Or worse.
I’m signing off now because this is just silly. Even the owner of this forum has found a better way of doing this.
Agree. Started out an odd thread.
Sorry to have annoyed you. I was only expressing some new thoughts that were novel to me. I guess it came off as argumentative. That happens to me a lot (ask my wife). 😂
Very.
Please explain?
Great, another layer of micromanagement…
Generally it’s the OS update that breaks things, while failing to fix existing issues… and those in position to do something about it only interested in collecting more money from you.
But all in all, I agree… we all should choose whatever suits our needs and we only have to justify these decisions to ourselves.