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How I finally started finishing tracks

edited October 2024 in Knowledge Base

This is not to preach to those that manage to finish tracks. I had an issue where I just never finished anything - now I finish many tracks per month.

I just thought sharing this may help someone :)

I structure my music making time into six distinct actions:

  1. Creating material - by this I mean making loops, synth sounds, audio and midi clips, single app beats etc etc

I then store these in AudioShare, AUM or the specific apps used

All the time keeping the apps I use often organised.

  1. Create Ideas - then I use certain apps like EG Nodes to make ideas.

I may take these ideas further, or sometimes just use parts of them in the next step.

  1. Create Tracks - I then take material, sounds, ideas, audio, midi etc and put them into Logic, where I spend time arranging. I use Logics features such as Players and Key Track to help, often turning them to midi and molding them to my needs.

  1. Finish Tracks - I then use the tools in Logic to help me mix and master my tracks.

  2. Playing Music - This part comes at any time during the other 4 actions. I have a small hardware setup that I connect my iPad to. I play to material, ideas and tracks I’ve made. This is different to making tracks, as I’m concentrating on actually learning some more playing skills. This also helps break up the other actions.

  3. Posting on Loopy Pro’s SOTMC - only done this once so far, but it really helped me move on from a track. I used to find it immensely difficult to leave a track, as I never felt they were mixed and mastered well enough. Posting on SOTMC this month really helped me move on and I’ve now finished 3 new tracks and 1 old track from five years ago!

Things to keep in mind:

  1. I try to never spend too long on one of the actions at a time.
  2. Being organised with files and apps is important. I need to find what I want quickly.
  3. I rarely throw away any material or ideas, so external storage is a must. My Logic size is currently over 60gb and that’s just created tracks in this last two months!
  4. I try to keep it all fun - it’s my hobby not a job. If I get frustrated, bored or just having an idea block, I go and do something else. Breaks are very important. Use Loopy Pro Forum as a break!
  5. Never spend too long on one track before taking a break or doing another action. Your brain needs to rest from the repetition of trying and creating.
  6. I think things like SOTMC and just generally posting your music is important. Don’t worry about the reaction of some or worry. Most people genuinely post helpful comments when asked and it’s important to learn from others.
  7. Find your own way, my actions may not suit you. My choice of apps may not be yours. It takes time, and probably I should have added as an action - find your way of making music and the tools that suit you the most. Never fear changing it up a bit!

I hope this helps at least one person. I’ve struggled with finishing my music for over thirty years now! So, old dogs can learn new tricks!

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Comments

  • Very helpful indeed, and congrats on finding your flow!

  • These are good tips for hobbyists and professionals alike.

    Congratulations on finding your flow.

  • Glad to hear you've found a flow that works for you. I work in a similar fashion, usually just jamming ideas out on the guitar on maybe on a soft synth, and then collecting the best ones to turn into songs.

    And my main motivation for running SOTMC is simply to motivate myself to keep finishing songs, and for me it's worked, it's been running since February 2015, so it's been almost 10 years now :) I've never missed a month.

  • Good post @Fruitbat1919
    Thanks for sharing man

  • Thanks :)

    @richardyot said:
    Glad to hear you've found a flow that works for you. I work in a similar fashion, usually just jamming ideas out on the guitar on maybe on a soft synth, and then collecting the best ones to turn into songs.

    And my main motivation for running SOTMC is simply to motivate myself to keep finishing songs, and for me it's worked, it's been running since February 2015, so it's been almost 10 years now :) I've never missed a month.

    I always avoided it as I never felt my stuff finished. I got my first iPad in 2014. Ten years later I feel I’ve improved enough to post on there. Wished I’d done it sooner as it really works as a cut off point for me. That track I posted, I would still have been fiddling with by now, but after posting, I let it go and worked on one for next month….ok, so I finished 4 instead lol. So, all I needed was a mental cut off point. Yeah, I may go back to them once I’ve learnt some new skills (especially in mixing and mastering), but I’m happier to move on now, so Thanks for SOTMC

  • @yellow_eyez said:
    Good post @Fruitbat1919
    Thanks for sharing man

    Thanks for commenting :)

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    Thanks :)

    @richardyot said:
    Glad to hear you've found a flow that works for you. I work in a similar fashion, usually just jamming ideas out on the guitar on maybe on a soft synth, and then collecting the best ones to turn into songs.

    And my main motivation for running SOTMC is simply to motivate myself to keep finishing songs, and for me it's worked, it's been running since February 2015, so it's been almost 10 years now :) I've never missed a month.

    I always avoided it as I never felt my stuff finished. I got my first iPad in 2014. Ten years later I feel I’ve improved enough to post on there. Wished I’d done it sooner as it really works as a cut off point for me. That track I posted, I would still have been fiddling with by now, but after posting, I let it go and worked on one for next month….ok, so I finished 4 instead lol. So, all I needed was a mental cut off point. Yeah, I may go back to them once I’ve learnt some new skills (especially in mixing and mastering), but I’m happier to move on now, so Thanks for SOTMC

    Yes it's much better to finish something and move rather than titivate the same track forever. The more work you finish, the more you grow.

  • I'm going to save this on my desktop and refer to it when I'm stuck :) Thanks so much!

  • @Fruitbat1919 well done finding your flow!

    In the past year I’ve found a wildly different flow in practising trumpet / improv seriously, where going to a jam session around once a month (to play with people 😱) fills the SOTMC role. Maybe I’ll get back to writing, there’s 2 EMOMs within a 5 mile radius of here to attend for a start…

  • @gkillmaster said:
    I'm going to save this on my desktop and refer to it when I'm stuck :) Thanks so much!

    Hope it helps :)

  • @MadGav said:
    @Fruitbat1919 well done finding your flow!

    In the past year I’ve found a wildly different flow in practising trumpet / improv seriously, where going to a jam session around once a month (to play with people 😱) fills the SOTMC role. Maybe I’ll get back to writing, there’s 2 EMOMs within a 5 mile radius of here to attend for a start…

    Exciting! Yeah get out there! I'm a hermit, but people making music together is the best!

  • @Fruitbat1919 This is inspiring, thank you. I’ve been the same, for even longer.

    I’ll have to find a way to adapt it. So much of my sound/ideas is bound to the way I work in AUM, which is still my most natural environment. Recreating chains and crosswirings of all the stuff that goes into building the idea system would be impossible in Logic. I’d have to just output the tracks as audio, and for some reason I have a resistance to that… which I need to get over, and which is stupid anyway, because that’s how I worked with tape for years.

    And maybe that’s the thing. When I moved to midi I was immediately taken by the fact that nothing was set in iron oxide. I could tweak and fiddle forever. Which in turn, I now realize, was exactly the thing that created the finishing problem.

  • @Fruitbat1919 do you primarily use iPad or do you have any gear you like to use as well?

    And yes, I agree, SOTMC is a great idea and @richardyot should be proud of what he’s achieved with it, I respect him/his multi talented artistry more than anyone else I can think of , even if his genre isn’t my particular taste I think he’s incredibly gifted and his consistency and production ability and output is the most impressive body of work I can think of anyone looking back on and now that I got my op1F back I might try to get back into it if I can keep up…I mean not to derail this into a tribute to Rich lmao :lol:

    But yeah fruitbat do you like hardware or do you also use instruments or do you use desktop ?

  • Almost didn’t click on this, thinking “Duh that’s obvious “ but it turned out I was wrong. What a fantastic post , thanks!

  • @garden said:
    @Fruitbat1919 This is inspiring, thank you. I’ve been the same, for even longer.

    I’ll have to find a way to adapt it. So much of my sound/ideas is bound to the way I work in AUM, which is still my most natural environment. Recreating chains and crosswirings of all the stuff that goes into building the idea system would be impossible in Logic. I’d have to just output the tracks as audio, and for some reason I have a resistance to that… which I need to get over, and which is stupid anyway, because that’s how I worked with tape for years.

    And maybe that’s the thing. When I moved to midi I was immediately taken by the fact that nothing was set in iron oxide. I could tweak and fiddle forever. Which in turn, I now realize, was exactly the thing that created the finishing problem.

    Yes, I made barriers to my music making. I won't say they are easy to overcome. My 30 odd years of never finishing a track suggest some pretty sticky miring in my self made problems. As @richardyot suggested though, my ability has grown due to actually finishing tracks, so it is worth doing whatever you can to pull down your own barriers.

    I wish you luck and hope my own success helps with your future endeavours!

  • @yellow_eyez said:
    @Fruitbat1919 do you primarily use iPad or do you have any gear you like to use as well?

    And yes, I agree, SOTMC is a great idea and @richardyot should be proud of what he’s achieved with it, I respect him/his multi talented artistry more than anyone else I can think of , even if his genre isn’t my particular taste I think he’s incredibly gifted and his consistency and production ability and output is the most impressive body of work I can think of anyone looking back on and now that I got my op1F back I might try to get back into it if I can keep up…I mean not to derail this into a tribute to Rich lmao :lol:

    But yeah fruitbat do you like hardware or do you also use instruments or do you use desktop ?

    I primarily use iPad now, although I have a little hardware setup currently consisting of a Korg Minilogue XD, a Roland SP404mk2 and a Novation Circuit tracks. To which I am adding a few devices next year.

    I play the Minilogue but don't currently record it beyond loops. This is because I can record it into the Circuit and SP404mk2, but not the iPad. The SP404mk2 connects to the iPad over usb and I play what is on that over usb and send midi to the iPad from the Minilogue. The SP404mk2 has an issue though, where recorded audio through usb is linked to the main volume knob, which has to be low to get the iPad volume to a comfortable level and hence makes recording my playing impossible at the same time as monitoring the iPad! By adding a mixer later I can fix this.

    Later on I plan to add a Mac for recording duties and keep my iPad as a sound source, but that's later on. First I want to expand the hardware boxes with devices I can use on the sofa to make ideas away from the monitors. Using different setups is important to my new 'flow', as sitting in front of one setup creates stagnancy in my opinion. I think mixing things up is so important. That's why I make material with many apps. Even now my last 4 tracks have a lot in common as I'm using the same lead instrument apps!

    People say that we buy too many apps, but I regularly use a couple of hundred apps every month! Then changing them is important each month. iPad music makes this easy as the apps are relatively cheap and with the natural falling by the way side of devs upkeeping apps over the years, my apps change and so does what sounds I use. I see iOS as a living breathing instrument.

  • @Telstar5 said:
    Almost didn’t click on this, thinking “Duh that’s obvious “ but it turned out I was wrong. What a fantastic post , thanks!

    Thanks for saying that :)

  • edited October 2024

    Unless making music is one's livelihood, there's certainly less pressure to create. One thing that helped me over the years was to give myself artificial deadlines or requirements which were non-negotiable (for example, create a 30-second or 15-second piece for an ad for this or that, or create a 3 minute pop song with this theme by tomorrow). You'd be surprised how effective a deadline can be (even if it's artificial) to help solve problems.

  • @NeuM said:
    Unless making music is one's livelihood, there's certainly less pressure to create. One thing that helped me over the years was to give myself artificial deadlines or requirements which were non-negotiable (for example, create a 30-second or 15-second piece for an ad for this or that, or create a 3 minute pop song with this theme by tomorrow). You'd be surprised how effective a deadline can be (even if it's artificial) to help solve problems.

    Yes, those times we’ve had track projects where we make a track using just one synth app - those were fun forum favourites for me lol :)

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @NeuM said:
    Unless making music is one's livelihood, there's certainly less pressure to create. One thing that helped me over the years was to give myself artificial deadlines or requirements which were non-negotiable (for example, create a 30-second or 15-second piece for an ad for this or that, or create a 3 minute pop song with this theme by tomorrow). You'd be surprised how effective a deadline can be (even if it's artificial) to help solve problems.

    I wish I had that kind of deadline approach brain chemistry. Sounds lovely.

    Yes, those times we’ve had track projects where we make a track using just one synth app - those were fun forum favourites for me lol :)

    One app approach are so fun! Koala is my first love through and through so that’s probably some bias to how I was introduced to creating my own music.

    I think the idea should be less restrictive in the sense of like “any monophonic synth!” Or “any sampler app” and obviously a daw shouldn’t necessarily count but limit using its included instruments / samples / loops.

  • @offbrands said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @NeuM said:
    Unless making music is one's livelihood, there's certainly less pressure to create. One thing that helped me over the years was to give myself artificial deadlines or requirements which were non-negotiable (for example, create a 30-second or 15-second piece for an ad for this or that, or create a 3 minute pop song with this theme by tomorrow). You'd be surprised how effective a deadline can be (even if it's artificial) to help solve problems.

    I wish I had that kind of deadline approach brain chemistry. Sounds lovely.

    Yes, those times we’ve had track projects where we make a track using just one synth app - those were fun forum favourites for me lol :)

    One app approach are so fun! Koala is my first love through and through so that’s probably some bias to how I was introduced to creating my own music.

    I think the idea should be less restrictive in the sense of like “any monophonic synth!” Or “any sampler app” and obviously a daw shouldn’t necessarily count but limit using its included instruments / samples / loops.

    Ah, I sense a November challenge coming soon. 😉

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @offbrands said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @NeuM said:
    Unless making music is one's livelihood, there's certainly less pressure to create. One thing that helped me over the years was to give myself artificial deadlines or requirements which were non-negotiable (for example, create a 30-second or 15-second piece for an ad for this or that, or create a 3 minute pop song with this theme by tomorrow). You'd be surprised how effective a deadline can be (even if it's artificial) to help solve problems.

    I wish I had that kind of deadline approach brain chemistry. Sounds lovely.

    Yes, those times we’ve had track projects where we make a track using just one synth app - those were fun forum favourites for me lol :)

    One app approach are so fun! Koala is my first love through and through so that’s probably some bias to how I was introduced to creating my own music.

    I think the idea should be less restrictive in the sense of like “any monophonic synth!” Or “any sampler app” and obviously a daw shouldn’t necessarily count but limit using its included instruments / samples / loops.

    Ah, I sense a November challenge coming soon. 😉

    Haha. Cue the challengers.

  • Thanks for sharing all of this @Fruitbat1919 ! Love the organizing / Song of the Month Club ideas the best. I’m already pretty organized but definitely need to get back to sharing creations again.

    Cheers!

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @offbrands said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @NeuM said:
    Unless making music is one's livelihood, there's certainly less pressure to create. One thing that helped me over the years was to give myself artificial deadlines or requirements which were non-negotiable (for example, create a 30-second or 15-second piece for an ad for this or that, or create a 3 minute pop song with this theme by tomorrow). You'd be surprised how effective a deadline can be (even if it's artificial) to help solve problems.

    I wish I had that kind of deadline approach brain chemistry. Sounds lovely.

    Yes, those times we’ve had track projects where we make a track using just one synth app - those were fun forum favourites for me lol :)

    One app approach are so fun! Koala is my first love through and through so that’s probably some bias to how I was introduced to creating my own music.

    I think the idea should be less restrictive in the sense of like “any monophonic synth!” Or “any sampler app” and obviously a daw shouldn’t necessarily count but limit using its included instruments / samples / loops.

    Ah, I sense a November challenge coming soon. 😉

    Bring it on! O I'm so on a year 2000 pants film mode arrrrrgh.....

  • @offbrands said:
    Thanks for sharing all of this @Fruitbat1919 ! Love the organizing / Song of the Month Club ideas the best. I’m already pretty organized but definitely need to get back to sharing creations again.

    Cheers!

    Yes, organise that sharing routine ;)

  • @NeuM @Fruitbat1919 The trick is to figure out which app will be featured. 😉 Preferably an app we haven't used before.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    @NeuM @Fruitbat1919 The trick is to figure out which app will be featured. 😉 Preferably an app we haven't used before.

    Maybe do an app survey beforehand so you can find out which apps the most people have? And if it's not that clear cut, the rules could be more general, such as "make a 2 minute long recording using 1 synth and only 3 patches and the theme is 'Cinematic Interlude'" or something like that?

  • edited October 2024

    @NeuM said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    @NeuM @Fruitbat1919 The trick is to figure out which app will be featured. 😉 Preferably an app we haven't used before.

    Maybe do an app survey beforehand so you can find out which apps the most people have? And if it's not that clear cut, the rules could be more general, such as "make a 2 minute long recording using 1 synth and only 3 patches and the theme is 'Cinematic Interlude'" or something like that?

    How about something different like making a piece of music with just 4 tracks (drums counting as one) - been a topic of late due to the release of the Move. Also the last track I made had 32 tracks, so I could do with the challenge lol

  • edited October 2024

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    @NeuM @Fruitbat1919 The trick is to figure out which app will be featured. 😉 Preferably an app we haven't used before.

    Maybe do an app survey beforehand so you can find out which apps the most people have? And if it's not that clear cut, the rules could be more general, such as "make a 2 minute long recording using 1 synth and only 3 patches and the theme is 'Cinematic Interlude'" or something like that?

    How about something different like making a piece of music with just 4 tracks (drums counting as one) - been a topic of late due to the release of the Move. Also the last track I made had 32 tracks, so I could do with the challenge lol

    The 4-Track Challenge (and no bouncing tracks)? I like it.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    @NeuM @Fruitbat1919 The trick is to figure out which app will be featured. 😉 Preferably an app we haven't used before.

    Maybe do an app survey beforehand so you can find out which apps the most people have? And if it's not that clear cut, the rules could be more general, such as "make a 2 minute long recording using 1 synth and only 3 patches and the theme is 'Cinematic Interlude'" or something like that?

    How about something different like making a piece of music with just 4 tracks (drums counting as one) - been a topic of late due to the release of the Move. Also the last track I made had 32 tracks, so I could do with the challenge lol

    The 4-Track Challenge (and no bouncing tracks)? I like it.

    Yep, no bouncing, or we could just use loads of tracks and bounce down

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