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We Don’t Want New Music Anymore (?)
The question mark is mine, but that is what the article below suggests.
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Not true for all but broadly I think it’s true.
(I know I’m making assumptions and stereotyping but I wouldn’t value any opinion on music from a Time magazine article where he mentions the views of someone attending a tribute act playing at Quail County Country Club, Fl.)
We, here, are broadly musicians and so have an active interest in music. We are probably more informed of and in sync with current music tastes and forms and more interested in them. I (same as my non musician wife) am passionate about music and actively look for new music as well as enjoy the old. We’re a couple of years either side of 60 years old.
I think if you’re a “casual music enjoyer” you just want to hear tunes you know and take you back to your youth.
Tl;dr - I think if you love music you want both old and new. If you’re a casual listener, you want old
Well, the guy is an academic and a journalist who wrote a book, and he did interview a cross section of people.
I agree with the rest of what you said. 👍
I was making a thinly veiled dig at bias which perhaps didn’t come off as well as I hoped🤣
I had to reply because of your avatar pic. Glad we agree on most things
Sorry if it went over my head. 😊 I hope you found the article/essay interesting.
It's only a matter of time before creativity busts out in some totally new direction.
Many minds will be blown. Many will think it's total crap. Many of those will come on board later.
That's the history of music. There's no reason to think it will be any different now.
A very interesting article indeed and well worth reading. So my thoughts about my tastes personally. There are some genres where I really love the new music more than the old (Country for instance). Some genres I prefer the old music to the new (I'm still stuck on early 2000s HipHop as well as still have a lifelong crush on Missy Elliott lol 😂 ). Some genres, I like both old and new equally (Pop and EDM for examples).
When it comes to producing, I like to produce in pre-established genres but in my own modern way. For instance, right now I'm heavily inspired by what was dubbed "Stadium Techno", so I'm creating a hockey song for my local team.
Maybe "Pop Ambient", lol. 😂
The article was interesting. Simon Reynolds book “Retromania” is worth a read on the subject. There’s an argument that as all the old music is still available now (downloads, discogs, the fact that it can be recorded and stored/played back indefinitely) things are different now as new music has to fight against all of recorded history and not just the last few years of memory. Before streaming and reissues it was hard to find old music, it got deleted and you had to get lucky in second hand shops or record fairs
But the “new thing” won’t necessarily be in terms of conventional music .
@wim I hope you're right!
@jwmmakerofmusic Yeah, I like old school HipHop, too. It's gotten to the point where I don't seek out new HipHop, though I'm open to it . The same isn't true for other genres, so I get where you're coming from.
Not to mention all the competition from other forms of media.
Try as I might, I can’t make any sense out of what you just said… 🤷🏻♂️
Indeed freedom of expression’s boundaries aren’t fixed and everyone of us, unique, that’s an ever changing, evolving, multitude of possibilities.
Self explanatory :.Whenever “ creativity bursts out in a new direction “ as you say, it won’t necessarily be in the form of a band with songs .
I want new music. I can hardly stand to listen anymore to most of the rock and pop I grew up with. Quite a bit of it was crap. I'm not a nostalgic person.
„ Less Coldplay, more Led Zeppelin.“
Well, if you put it like that….
„ According to a 2022 Luminate report, boomers are listening to more music from the ’70s than from any other decade, which is no great surprise.“
And there you have it. Boomers have had a stranglehold on the culture for the last 25 years.
Most of artists produce their arguably best stuff in the first couple of albums. If you want to hear new music, listen to another artist!
Of course there’s notable exceptions but even they will have their peaks their audiences will always ask for.
Perhaps it is slightly different for bands that don’t make it big. People come to see you knowing maybe one song but are open to be surprised and make their own mind up what their favourites are instead of someone deciding which track should go on the single/radio and which shouldn’t.
Interesting conversation but I’m not sure whether the article isn’t confusing things a little by comparing a gig situation to the whole music industry. I think at big gigs most of people will seek safety in the familiar even if bands are sick of playing the same song over and over.
I read somewhere that Coldplay played some 300, or more, gigs in one year at the beginning of their career. That’s a lot of ‘yellows’ but I guess they had to pay their dues and in a way, that’s a true performer who can unflinchingly deliver the same song with the same emotion over and over again.
Sorry, a lot of tangents there
That being said and one wouldn’t Time magazine to engage in any subject matter in a penetrating way, the observation that we appear to be stuck in a permanent 1999 culture wise has been made by many.
It’s not just music, either. I recently was at the Venice Biennale and then at the London Affordable Art Fair (bit of a misnomer tbh) and what struck me at both was that I’ve seen all of this before. We seem to be in a remix stage where artists take a best-off approach, add some current-year art speak mumbo jumbo (thankfully mostly absent in London) and call it a day. I’d call it lazy but perhaps that’s what you have to do to eat.
There is very little risk taking (and perhaps risk rewarding) going on.
This is becoming more of a factor even with video games too now. New games are finding themselves competing with progressively older ones.
I think the breakthrough will not be new music itself, but the technology in which we receive it in our brains. There’s already these body add ons that give you a visceral bass thump. I'm sure AI will be in there somewhere.
As to new music, I think a lot about my own music (over 1k tracks now) and wonder if there’s any need for more stuff no one listens to anyway. There is the pleasure of making it, but if I can’t do any better than I already have (which is likely the case) I often think there’s no more to be done. Still, I have the goal of 100 albums. Fifteen more to go. I’d like to achieve that.
But I like your music and I'm very happy you create and post it. I would honestly rather listen to your music than most of the music I grew up with, even the stuff I enjoyed. There may be an added element of freshness because it's new to me, but I want to hear it. Whereas, in spite of their genius, I hope I never have to hear a Beatles song again in my life (they're not my generation but I've been inundated anyway).
I'm sure it's some algorithm at work, but I happened upon this one as well...
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/why-do-we-even-listen-to-new-music
"originally appeared on Pitchfork and was published March 22, 2020"
That's a thoughtful article, and I agree with some of the points. There's a much bigger issue at play here though. Music is a conduit through which people connect. Something is happening in the mind of the person behind the music, and in the people performing the music, and that feeling, that vibe, that energy that resonates with the listener. What people are looking for in music and other forms of entertainment is excitement and something that moves them.
I'll address one major challenge that I see which relates to the article, and that is about music that is released by artists or bands later in their career or their lives, and you can decide if it's valid or not. When bands are young, in their teens or 20's, they are writing and performing from that point of view, usually a very exciting and often turbulent time of their lives, filled with new experiences both good and bad, and it's fresh, and it can be raw and honest. Fast forward, and these artists are in their 40's or even 60's, and they can still perform the songs that they released decades ago, and it's still got truth to it, if they still believe in the songs, and connect with their audience. But to write and perform a song at that age with truth and honesty, you have to do so from where you're at, and maybe you've got a family, maybe divorced, settled down, or maybe still living the same lifestyle that you were in your 20's (which can be sad or ick depending on how people see it - I try not to judge). That's a completely different place. It's human nature for the older people to yearn for and cherish the experiences of their youth, and it's natural for the younger people to want to hear music from and about people who are having their experiences, and which relates to today.
Younger people can listen to and relate to music from artists of all ages from previous decades if the gap is large enough - it sounds different, and captures the spirit of a different time and place, and some music can transcend time, even if it captures something very specific to that time (for example, Marvin Gaye's What's Goin' On), if the issues and the feelings it expresses remain relevant.
So it's really tough for older artists and bands to bring something new to the table that's going to have wide appeal. If it sounds completely new and different, it's really got to be for a reason, and not just trying to sound cool and different, and it needs to serve the music. If it's something true and honest, then it's got to come from a place that captures what the artist is feeling today, not 20 years ago, and again, that's going to be a hard sell. It's certainly not impossible, and there have been many outfits that have had breakthrough albums or truly groundbreaking material (not necessarily commercially successful) late in their careers, but there's usually something special going on that made it possible. A couple examples would be Carlos Santana and the Supernatural album, and Pump by Aerosmith. Carlos made the decision to move away from focus on commercial success and appeal and bring a spiritual commitment to the music. Aerosmith combined elements of rap into their song "Walk this Way" while working with producer Rick Rubin, and it revitalized their career.
I’ve listened to all sorts of music for most my life. I do reminisce and listen to a lot of music from my past, but since the advent of home recording and the internet, I’ve been able to branch out and listen to more music that crosses boundaries and genres. It is hard to find music that makes you go WOW, because there is so much music out there, but I do believe there is a wonderful choice of top class and imaginative music being made.
I think I’ve lived through fantastic musical times. The seventies, eighties and nineties were just wonderful once you got past the usual big label produced and mainstream media promoted so called commercial trash. No internet for the most part to find the great and interesting, no, it was by word of mouth and visiting large or obscure record stores. These days, it’s the same commercial shite for the most part, but down deep in the depths of the internet, people are posting real creative stuff….yay!
100+ listeners average per your top tracks is NOT NO ONE.
Even if that wasn’t so, you're logic is faulty. Think of all the unnecessary talking people do, and also the necessary talking, yet some people don’t listen to the latter.
But we’re talking about music. The heavenly celestial bodies are using you as a vessel to create in real time. This makes you better than most. You need to fight for your legacy to live on through the ages. Has Buddism taught you anything?
Thanks @abf. I appreciate your listening and saying what you said very much. And you're right @Blipsford_Baubie people do hear my music and that’s more than enough, certainly. I didn’t mean to diminish what I do or its value. I apologize for mucking around in my own, personal, doubts when, as you so rightly put, I am not even the source of the music I make.
When I listen to my better tracks I honestly don’t know how it came about to be as good as some are. I can’t reproduce any of it. Having an ego, like everyone else, I want to be the master of what I do, but I, simply, am not.
Mike, do you not feel, given your skills in improv, that live performance would be much, much more satisfying for you than posting your music here? There's nothing as satisfying for a musician as having a good, appreciative live audience, I reckon
@LinearLineman with your prodigious works your creativity will live on for many years influencing the AI algorithm to a degree.
“strange how potent cheap music is.” - Noel Coward
Humble brag: My own noises, rather astonishingly, have been heard over 37,400 times in the past two years, according to SoundCloud. (And have yet to succumb to credible AI emulation.) Objectively, that is many times more the few hundred who actually heard me back in the day when I was the shaky incompetent drummer at the back of a student band, making ‘proper’ pop music, and moderately big in Brighton for five minutes back in the 80s. And we made a few hundred quid back then. Total earned from my apparently vastly more successful new thing over the last two years: $12.
I don’t really know what any of that means.
At least, I’m pleased to say that I can do the old person shouts at cloud thing about ‘kids today’ liking new genres like chiptune and denpa song…
Can’t wait to hear what Rick Beato thinks of this one…