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Looking for a backing tracks app for church – no subscription

zah7zah7
in General App Discussion

I am looking for an app similar to Playback from Multitracks for playing backing tracks in a church setting. I need the ability to loop specific parts of a song, a metronome, and a setlist. Do you know of any that don’t require a subscription? Alternatively, could I achieve this effect easily with Koala Sampler or Loopy Pro?

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  • seonnthaproducerseonnthaproducer

    Are you okay with making your own loops? If so, Garageband for iOS, combined with TONALY is your best friend.

    What I did was to arrange the song in TONALY, then I exported the MIDI to Garageband.
    I then copied the MIDI to the Live Loops after I cut it accordingly.
    Finally, I added Garageband’s Auto Drummer into it. Here’s a video demonstrating similar concepts, directly from the iPhone

    But that’s not the only way to solve this. You can also use Cubasis, which I feel is the BEST DAW on iOS.

    Koala doesn’t support MIDI loops. But it can certainly launch audio loops. I’d use that for cool sound effects, or drums. But you can make it work for your use cases.

    How do I know this? Well I’ve been gigging for over 20 years, and recently volunteered for Bethel Music.

    https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/62895/so-i-came-back-from-a-gig-with-bethel-music-ama-ask-me-anything

    I post a lot of content on my youtube page at youtube.com/seonnthaproducer

  • zah7zah7

    Thank you for your detailed response. I mostly work with audio rather than MIDI when it comes to church services, so I need something simple like ShowOne (which is perfect!) but with loop abilities in addition.

  • PoppadocrockPoppadocrock

    There’s several good ones out there, I don’t really use any of them that much or own them.

    Here’s some in no particular order

    iReal Pro - 1 purchase
    Worship Backing Tracks - sub
    Stage Trax 3 - sub or full unlock
    Show One Pro Backing Tracks - IAPs but no subscription
    All apps by UK Music Apps - Seasion Band apps
    Jammates - 1 purchase with additional IAP no sub - lite version to test too
    Genius Jam Tracks - 1 time buy
    Stage Master - sub or full unlock
    Band Creator - 1 time buy, lite version too

    There’s more but those are the ones I could remember.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2024

    You could totally do this with Loopy Pro.
    Koala Sampler. No.

    You might be better off with a purpose built app, but I can definitely say that Loopy Pro would have totally fit the bill back when I was leading worship sets. You'd need to be prepared for a lot of experimentation and setup work though. Loopy is a tool kit, not an out of the box solution.

    Every week I had a different band configuration (sometimes solo, sometimes a full band, sometimes no drummer or bass player or whatever, singers who needed key changes ... ), and a pastor fond of signaling to dwell on a chorus or drop to just solo guitar and voice or whatever. Life would have been a lot easier back then if I had Loopy Pro. 😂

  • zah7zah7

    Thank you all for your helpful answers. Stage Traxx would have been perfect, but oddly, it doesn’t include a built-in metronome. I’ll stick with ShowOne and, in the meantime, explore Loopy Pro.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2024

    @zah7 said:
    Thank you all for your helpful answers. Stage Traxx would have been perfect, but oddly, it doesn’t include a built-in metronome. I’ll stick with ShowOne and, in the meantime, explore Loopy Pro.

    Couldn't you just make a metronome track of your own?

  • seonnthaproducerseonnthaproducer

    Here’s a different alternative…Beatmaker 3?

    It’s the best DAW designed for audio.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2024

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Here’s a different alternative…Beatmaker 3?

    It’s the best DAW designed for audio.

    For live set performing with backing tracks?
    You gotta be kidding.
    Did you read the OP?

    On the other hand, it does have streaming from disk and live time stretch / pitch shift. Which could be handy.

    It’s way, way, way down there in the list of apps I’d consider for this use case myself though.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @wim said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Here’s a different alternative…Beatmaker 3?

    It’s the best DAW designed for audio.

    For live set performing with backing tracks?
    You gotta be kidding.
    Did you read the OP?

    On the other hand, it does have streaming from disk and live time stretch / pitch shift. Which could be handy.

    It’s way, way, way down there in the list of apps I’d consider for this use case myself though.

    Beatmaker 3 looks like fun (and I may get back into that sooner or later), but I don't consider BM3 to be suitable for a live performance setting.

    @zah7 Have you considered trying out the live loops in Garageband? I know you said "no sub", so live loops in Logic Pro would be out of the question. But it could be an idea.

    I wonder if Roland Zenbeats has live looping as well, or scenes and such. I seem to recall it has, but I could be mistaken.

  • seonnthaproducerseonnthaproducer
    edited November 2024

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @wim said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Here’s a different alternative…Beatmaker 3?

    It’s the best DAW designed for audio.

    For live set performing with backing tracks?
    You gotta be kidding.
    Did you read the OP?

    On the other hand, it does have streaming from disk and live time stretch / pitch shift. Which could be handy.

    It’s way, way, way down there in the list of apps I’d consider for this use case myself though.

    Beatmaker 3 looks like fun (and I may get back into that sooner or later), but I don't consider BM3 to be suitable for a live performance setting.

    @zah7 Have you considered trying out the live loops in Garageband? I know you said "no sub", so live loops in Logic Pro would be out of the question. But it could be an idea.

    I wonder if Roland Zenbeats has live looping as well, or scenes and such. I seem to recall it has, but I could be mistaken.

    Here’s the reason I recommended Beatmaker 3

    1. It has Scenes Mode which allows the user to select the portion that they want
    2. It’s the best audio editing app. It’s literally designed to store 128 audio files and you can launch them at once. Or at selected parts of your arrangement
    3. It has a timeline view which is longer than GarageBand. GarageBand has a limit. I know…I’ve tested it.
    4. It’s not subscription. It’s also on sale at the moment.
    5. If you use it for audio, it is by far the best experience. It can support AUv3, but that’s not its ideal case.
    6. OP works with audio. Not MIDI. In other words, OP uses their controllers to handle things like faders, mixers. And the buttons to trigger audio. Beatmaker 3 has solid mapping that doesn’t require the use of AUM or Audiobus 3.

    Yeah, I wouldn’t think of Beatmaker 3 in a church setting. For his specific requirement, if it’s not MIDI based, it has to be Beatmaker 3. All the other DAWs I’ve tried are MIDI reliant.

    Edit: My first post was GarageBand, and Cubasis. I would have recommended Zenbeats but the endless version changes and number change is making things exhausting to maintain.

    Nanostudio 2 is MIDI based so it’s out of the option.
    AUM/Audiobus 3/Drambo are too modular for the requirements.
    Remixlive won’t work in the context of the church…or maybe…idk

    All I can think of that comes close to the requirements is Beatmaker 3

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @wim said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Here’s a different alternative…Beatmaker 3?

    It’s the best DAW designed for audio.

    For live set performing with backing tracks?
    You gotta be kidding.
    Did you read the OP?

    On the other hand, it does have streaming from disk and live time stretch / pitch shift. Which could be handy.

    It’s way, way, way down there in the list of apps I’d consider for this use case myself though.

    Beatmaker 3 looks like fun (and I may get back into that sooner or later), but I don't consider BM3 to be suitable for a live performance setting.

    @zah7 Have you considered trying out the live loops in Garageband? I know you said "no sub", so live loops in Logic Pro would be out of the question. But it could be an idea.

    I wonder if Roland Zenbeats has live looping as well, or scenes and such. I seem to recall it has, but I could be mistaken.

    Here’s the reason I recommended Beatmaker 3

    1. It has Scenes Mode which allows the user to select the portion that they want
    2. It’s the best audio editing app. It’s literally designed to store 128 audio files and you can launch them at once. Or at selected parts of your arrangement
    3. It has a timeline view which is longer than GarageBand. GarageBand has a limit. I know…I’ve tested it.
    4. It’s not subscription. It’s also on sale at the moment.
    5. If you use it for audio, it is by far the best experience. It can support AUv3, but that’s not its ideal case.
    6. OP works with audio. Not MIDI. In other words, OP uses their controllers to handle things like faders, mixers. And the buttons to trigger audio. Beatmaker 3 has solid mapping that doesn’t require the use of AUM or Audiobus 3.

    Yeah, I wouldn’t think of Beatmaker 3 in a church setting. For his specific requirement, if it’s not MIDI based, it has to be Beatmaker 3. All the other DAWs I’ve tried are MIDI reliant.

    Ah, since the OPs needs are audio based, then why not use Loopy Pro? 🫠 It's the best at handling live audio and seems to have deeper options than BM3. I also seem to recall Loopy Pro having the option to set up scenes as well.

  • seonnthaproducerseonnthaproducer

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @wim said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Here’s a different alternative…Beatmaker 3?

    It’s the best DAW designed for audio.

    For live set performing with backing tracks?
    You gotta be kidding.
    Did you read the OP?

    On the other hand, it does have streaming from disk and live time stretch / pitch shift. Which could be handy.

    It’s way, way, way down there in the list of apps I’d consider for this use case myself though.

    Beatmaker 3 looks like fun (and I may get back into that sooner or later), but I don't consider BM3 to be suitable for a live performance setting.

    @zah7 Have you considered trying out the live loops in Garageband? I know you said "no sub", so live loops in Logic Pro would be out of the question. But it could be an idea.

    I wonder if Roland Zenbeats has live looping as well, or scenes and such. I seem to recall it has, but I could be mistaken.

    Here’s the reason I recommended Beatmaker 3

    1. It has Scenes Mode which allows the user to select the portion that they want
    2. It’s the best audio editing app. It’s literally designed to store 128 audio files and you can launch them at once. Or at selected parts of your arrangement
    3. It has a timeline view which is longer than GarageBand. GarageBand has a limit. I know…I’ve tested it.
    4. It’s not subscription. It’s also on sale at the moment.
    5. If you use it for audio, it is by far the best experience. It can support AUv3, but that’s not its ideal case.
    6. OP works with audio. Not MIDI. In other words, OP uses their controllers to handle things like faders, mixers. And the buttons to trigger audio. Beatmaker 3 has solid mapping that doesn’t require the use of AUM or Audiobus 3.

    Yeah, I wouldn’t think of Beatmaker 3 in a church setting. For his specific requirement, if it’s not MIDI based, it has to be Beatmaker 3. All the other DAWs I’ve tried are MIDI reliant.

    Ah, since the OPs needs are audio based, then why not use Loopy Pro? 🫠 It's the best at handling live audio and seems to have deeper options than BM3. I also seem to recall Loopy Pro having the option to set up scenes as well.

    Timeline. That’s the reason.

    You need an actual timeline view to plan out the songs. I don’t believe that Loopy Pro has that.

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez

    Loopy Pro sounds like it’s exactly suited for the OP

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @wim said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Here’s a different alternative…Beatmaker 3?

    It’s the best DAW designed for audio.

    For live set performing with backing tracks?
    You gotta be kidding.
    Did you read the OP?

    On the other hand, it does have streaming from disk and live time stretch / pitch shift. Which could be handy.

    It’s way, way, way down there in the list of apps I’d consider for this use case myself though.

    Beatmaker 3 looks like fun (and I may get back into that sooner or later), but I don't consider BM3 to be suitable for a live performance setting.

    @zah7 Have you considered trying out the live loops in Garageband? I know you said "no sub", so live loops in Logic Pro would be out of the question. But it could be an idea.

    I wonder if Roland Zenbeats has live looping as well, or scenes and such. I seem to recall it has, but I could be mistaken.

    Here’s the reason I recommended Beatmaker 3

    1. It has Scenes Mode which allows the user to select the portion that they want
    2. It’s the best audio editing app. It’s literally designed to store 128 audio files and you can launch them at once. Or at selected parts of your arrangement
    3. It has a timeline view which is longer than GarageBand. GarageBand has a limit. I know…I’ve tested it.
    4. It’s not subscription. It’s also on sale at the moment.
    5. If you use it for audio, it is by far the best experience. It can support AUv3, but that’s not its ideal case.
    6. OP works with audio. Not MIDI. In other words, OP uses their controllers to handle things like faders, mixers. And the buttons to trigger audio. Beatmaker 3 has solid mapping that doesn’t require the use of AUM or Audiobus 3.

    Yeah, I wouldn’t think of Beatmaker 3 in a church setting. For his specific requirement, if it’s not MIDI based, it has to be Beatmaker 3. All the other DAWs I’ve tried are MIDI reliant.

    Ah, since the OPs needs are audio based, then why not use Loopy Pro? 🫠 It's the best at handling live audio and seems to have deeper options than BM3. I also seem to recall Loopy Pro having the option to set up scenes as well.

    Timeline. That’s the reason.

    You need an actual timeline view to plan out the songs. I don’t believe that Loopy Pro has that.

    It does.

    Best to familiarise yourself with what Loopy Pro has to offer before speaking. 😂

  • seonnthaproducerseonnthaproducer
    edited November 2024

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @wim said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Here’s a different alternative…Beatmaker 3?

    It’s the best DAW designed for audio.

    For live set performing with backing tracks?
    You gotta be kidding.
    Did you read the OP?

    On the other hand, it does have streaming from disk and live time stretch / pitch shift. Which could be handy.

    It’s way, way, way down there in the list of apps I’d consider for this use case myself though.

    Beatmaker 3 looks like fun (and I may get back into that sooner or later), but I don't consider BM3 to be suitable for a live performance setting.

    @zah7 Have you considered trying out the live loops in Garageband? I know you said "no sub", so live loops in Logic Pro would be out of the question. But it could be an idea.

    I wonder if Roland Zenbeats has live looping as well, or scenes and such. I seem to recall it has, but I could be mistaken.

    Here’s the reason I recommended Beatmaker 3

    1. It has Scenes Mode which allows the user to select the portion that they want
    2. It’s the best audio editing app. It’s literally designed to store 128 audio files and you can launch them at once. Or at selected parts of your arrangement
    3. It has a timeline view which is longer than GarageBand. GarageBand has a limit. I know…I’ve tested it.
    4. It’s not subscription. It’s also on sale at the moment.
    5. If you use it for audio, it is by far the best experience. It can support AUv3, but that’s not its ideal case.
    6. OP works with audio. Not MIDI. In other words, OP uses their controllers to handle things like faders, mixers. And the buttons to trigger audio. Beatmaker 3 has solid mapping that doesn’t require the use of AUM or Audiobus 3.

    Yeah, I wouldn’t think of Beatmaker 3 in a church setting. For his specific requirement, if it’s not MIDI based, it has to be Beatmaker 3. All the other DAWs I’ve tried are MIDI reliant.

    Ah, since the OPs needs are audio based, then why not use Loopy Pro? 🫠 It's the best at handling live audio and seems to have deeper options than BM3. I also seem to recall Loopy Pro having the option to set up scenes as well.

    Timeline. That’s the reason.

    You need an actual timeline view to plan out the songs. I don’t believe that Loopy Pro has that.

    It does.

    Best to familiarise yourself with what Loopy Pro has to offer before speaking. 😂

    Agreed. Wow, I’ve been off the grid for a long time. I never considered it as a DAW even though it’s literally the name of the forum.

    Okay, @jwmmakerofmusic won this. Loopy Pro it is.

  • seonnthaproducerseonnthaproducer
    edited November 2024

    Sigh…do I need to do the upgrade? Arrrgh. Fine, I’ll add Loopy Pro to the list.

    Edit: After all, this is the Loopy Pro Forum. I already have Audiobus 3 but that forum is gone. Let’s look to the future.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @wim said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Here’s a different alternative…Beatmaker 3?

    It’s the best DAW designed for audio.

    For live set performing with backing tracks?
    You gotta be kidding.
    Did you read the OP?

    On the other hand, it does have streaming from disk and live time stretch / pitch shift. Which could be handy.

    It’s way, way, way down there in the list of apps I’d consider for this use case myself though.

    Beatmaker 3 looks like fun (and I may get back into that sooner or later), but I don't consider BM3 to be suitable for a live performance setting.

    @zah7 Have you considered trying out the live loops in Garageband? I know you said "no sub", so live loops in Logic Pro would be out of the question. But it could be an idea.

    I wonder if Roland Zenbeats has live looping as well, or scenes and such. I seem to recall it has, but I could be mistaken.

    Here’s the reason I recommended Beatmaker 3

    1. It has Scenes Mode which allows the user to select the portion that they want
    2. It’s the best audio editing app. It’s literally designed to store 128 audio files and you can launch them at once. Or at selected parts of your arrangement
    3. It has a timeline view which is longer than GarageBand. GarageBand has a limit. I know…I’ve tested it.
    4. It’s not subscription. It’s also on sale at the moment.
    5. If you use it for audio, it is by far the best experience. It can support AUv3, but that’s not its ideal case.
    6. OP works with audio. Not MIDI. In other words, OP uses their controllers to handle things like faders, mixers. And the buttons to trigger audio. Beatmaker 3 has solid mapping that doesn’t require the use of AUM or Audiobus 3.

    Yeah, I wouldn’t think of Beatmaker 3 in a church setting. For his specific requirement, if it’s not MIDI based, it has to be Beatmaker 3. All the other DAWs I’ve tried are MIDI reliant.

    Ah, since the OPs needs are audio based, then why not use Loopy Pro? 🫠 It's the best at handling live audio and seems to have deeper options than BM3. I also seem to recall Loopy Pro having the option to set up scenes as well.

    Timeline. That’s the reason.

    You need an actual timeline view to plan out the songs. I don’t believe that Loopy Pro has that.

    It does.

    Best to familiarise yourself with what Loopy Pro has to offer before speaking. 😂

    Agreed. Wow, I’ve been off the grid for a long time. I never considered it as a DAW even though it’s literally the name of the forum.

    Okay, @jwmmakerofmusic won this. Loopy Pro it is.

    Lol. No winners or losers here. Just pointing out that more research should be done first before saying something you don't know about. 😂 @zah7 can choose whatever he/she/they wish.

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez

    Yes LP is borderline DAW - I mean, honestly it IS a DAW, it’s just primarily based on a loop format but as Jim illustrated the timeline kind of makes it have a linear approach as well. I haven’t scratched the surface of it and it’s ridiculously well written, like @Michael is one of, if not the best independent iOS music coder. The interface is as close to perfect as you could get. The depth of the control of external elements is crazy. It does IAA, it’s an Auv3, it’s like a morph able DAW in that in can be as small as you could get to a full size production suite in and of itself.

    Anyway - OP got his answer methinks hehe

  • seonnthaproducerseonnthaproducer
    edited November 2024

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @wim said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Here’s a different alternative…Beatmaker 3?

    It’s the best DAW designed for audio.

    For live set performing with backing tracks?
    You gotta be kidding.
    Did you read the OP?

    On the other hand, it does have streaming from disk and live time stretch / pitch shift. Which could be handy.

    It’s way, way, way down there in the list of apps I’d consider for this use case myself though.

    Beatmaker 3 looks like fun (and I may get back into that sooner or later), but I don't consider BM3 to be suitable for a live performance setting.

    @zah7 Have you considered trying out the live loops in Garageband? I know you said "no sub", so live loops in Logic Pro would be out of the question. But it could be an idea.

    I wonder if Roland Zenbeats has live looping as well, or scenes and such. I seem to recall it has, but I could be mistaken.

    Here’s the reason I recommended Beatmaker 3

    1. It has Scenes Mode which allows the user to select the portion that they want
    2. It’s the best audio editing app. It’s literally designed to store 128 audio files and you can launch them at once. Or at selected parts of your arrangement
    3. It has a timeline view which is longer than GarageBand. GarageBand has a limit. I know…I’ve tested it.
    4. It’s not subscription. It’s also on sale at the moment.
    5. If you use it for audio, it is by far the best experience. It can support AUv3, but that’s not its ideal case.
    6. OP works with audio. Not MIDI. In other words, OP uses their controllers to handle things like faders, mixers. And the buttons to trigger audio. Beatmaker 3 has solid mapping that doesn’t require the use of AUM or Audiobus 3.

    Yeah, I wouldn’t think of Beatmaker 3 in a church setting. For his specific requirement, if it’s not MIDI based, it has to be Beatmaker 3. All the other DAWs I’ve tried are MIDI reliant.

    Ah, since the OPs needs are audio based, then why not use Loopy Pro? 🫠 It's the best at handling live audio and seems to have deeper options than BM3. I also seem to recall Loopy Pro having the option to set up scenes as well.

    Timeline. That’s the reason.

    You need an actual timeline view to plan out the songs. I don’t believe that Loopy Pro has that.

    It does.

    Best to familiarise yourself with what Loopy Pro has to offer before speaking. 😂

    Agreed. Wow, I’ve been off the grid for a long time. I never considered it as a DAW even though it’s literally the name of the forum.

    Okay, @jwmmakerofmusic won this. Loopy Pro it is.

    Lol. No winners or losers here. Just pointing out that more research should be done first before saying something you don't know about. 😂 @zah7 can choose whatever he/she/they wish.

    Honestly, I made that statement and phrased it as uncertain… when I used the phrase “I don’t believe it has…”. It isn’t a factual statement. I use statements like that so that someone can counteract if it is wrong, and then I can acknowledge it.

    But this thread did teach me a valuable lesson. I had brushed Loopy Pro as just that. A looper. But I need to dive deeper into it to appreciate it. I briefly remembered a timeline but I had been blinded by my own biases in a looper.

    So, kudos to you, @jwmmakerofmusic . You did the research, and went straight to the point. I appreciate that a lot more than the generic “RTFM” statements.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Sigh…do I need to do the upgrade? Arrrgh. Fine, I’ll add Loopy Pro to the list.

    Edit: After all, this is the Loopy Pro Forum. I already have Audiobus 3 but that forum is gone. Let’s look to the future.

    You wouldn’t need to upgrade for the timeline. The timeline has been in Loopy Pro since its first release.

    There are lots of other features that probably would make the upgrade worthwhile :)

  • seonnthaproducerseonnthaproducer

    But here’s a question. When do you use Koala, as opposed to Loopy Pro? I always thought they were similar but it seems you have unique uses of both.

  • tubespacetubespace

    Loopy Pro all the way.
    If you're audio-based - it's the easiest and best-suited for church.

  • SamuSamu
    edited November 2024

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    But here’s a question. When do you use Koala, as opposed to Loopy Pro? I always thought they were similar but it seems you have unique uses of both.

    Koala still has the edge over Loopy Pro for sample-based production and whenever there's a need to treat the samples as polyphonic 'instruments' and sequence them etc.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    But here’s a question. When do you use Koala, as opposed to Loopy Pro? I always thought they were similar but it seems you have unique uses of both.

    While there are places where the re are overlaps of functionality, they are pretty radically different apps. I’d suggest checking out some of the many YouTube videos of people putting Loopy Pro through its paces. And maybe read the Loopy Pro manual.

    Like Drambo, it is kind of hard to put its depth and breadth into a few short words.

  • seonnthaproducerseonnthaproducer

    That’s true. I’m usually behind the app game.
    I only recently started using Drambo in my main workflow, and Loopy Pro seems like another interesting candidate.

    Plus, I went off grid for a year. It’s interesting coming back in the world. I’m seeing so many possibilities.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @wim said:

    @seonnthaproducer said:
    Here’s a different alternative…Beatmaker 3?

    It’s the best DAW designed for audio.

    For live set performing with backing tracks?
    You gotta be kidding.
    Did you read the OP?

    On the other hand, it does have streaming from disk and live time stretch / pitch shift. Which could be handy.

    It’s way, way, way down there in the list of apps I’d consider for this use case myself though.

    Beatmaker 3 looks like fun (and I may get back into that sooner or later), but I don't consider BM3 to be suitable for a live performance setting.

    @zah7 Have you considered trying out the live loops in Garageband? I know you said "no sub", so live loops in Logic Pro would be out of the question. But it could be an idea.

    I wonder if Roland Zenbeats has live looping as well, or scenes and such. I seem to recall it has, but I could be mistaken.

    Here’s the reason I recommended Beatmaker 3

    1. It has Scenes Mode which allows the user to select the portion that they want
    2. It’s the best audio editing app. It’s literally designed to store 128 audio files and you can launch them at once. Or at selected parts of your arrangement
    3. It has a timeline view which is longer than GarageBand. GarageBand has a limit. I know…I’ve tested it.
    4. It’s not subscription. It’s also on sale at the moment.
    5. If you use it for audio, it is by far the best experience. It can support AUv3, but that’s not its ideal case.
    6. OP works with audio. Not MIDI. In other words, OP uses their controllers to handle things like faders, mixers. And the buttons to trigger audio. Beatmaker 3 has solid mapping that doesn’t require the use of AUM or Audiobus 3.

    Yeah, I wouldn’t think of Beatmaker 3 in a church setting. For his specific requirement, if it’s not MIDI based, it has to be Beatmaker 3. All the other DAWs I’ve tried are MIDI reliant.

    Ah, since the OPs needs are audio based, then why not use Loopy Pro? 🫠 It's the best at handling live audio and seems to have deeper options than BM3. I also seem to recall Loopy Pro having the option to set up scenes as well.

    Timeline. That’s the reason.

    You need an actual timeline view to plan out the songs. I don’t believe that Loopy Pro has that.

    It does.

    Best to familiarise yourself with what Loopy Pro has to offer before speaking. 😂

    Agreed. Wow, I’ve been off the grid for a long time. I never considered it as a DAW even though it’s literally the name of the forum.

    Okay, @jwmmakerofmusic won this. Loopy Pro it is.

    Lol. No winners or losers here. Just pointing out that more research should be done first before saying something you don't know about. 😂 @zah7 can choose whatever he/she/they wish.

    Honestly, I made that statement and phrased it as uncertain… when I used the phrase “I don’t believe it has…”. It isn’t a factual statement. I use statements like that so that someone can counteract if it is wrong, and then I can acknowledge it.

    But this thread did teach me a valuable lesson. I had brushed Loopy Pro as just that. A looper. But I need to dive deeper into it to appreciate it. I briefly remembered a timeline but I had been blinded by my own biases in a looper.

    So, kudos to you, @jwmmakerofmusic . You did the research, and went straight to the point. I appreciate that a lot more than the generic “RTFM” statements.

    Lol. 😂 Well honestly you should RTFM, but that's okay. And yeah, I noticed you used the "I don't believe it has..." statement. I still gotta correct misinformation when I see it. 🤣

  • seonnthaproducerseonnthaproducer
    edited November 2024

    True that. Thanks for the save @jwmmakerofmusic

  • wimwim

    tbh, @zah7 you mentioned StageTraxx, and I think that a purpose-built app such as that or Camelot Pro is a safer choice. These are apps designed from the ground up for what you're doing. Loopy Pro can be made to fit just about any use case for performing, but it's not already set up for what you want to do. You're on your own to craft it.

    If you like building things and have the time to learn, build, and test, test, test your setup, Loopy Pro is awesome. It doesn't have some of the other purpose-built things such as song and chord sheet display though, and those aren't easy to put together as effectively using other apps alongside Loopy.

    But if StageTraxx looks like it has everything you need (and to me it does look like it fits your original post), and all it's missing is a metronome, I seriously wouldn't dismiss it. That limitation should be easy to overcome. Far easier than customizing Loopy Pro or some other DAW to your purposes.

  • wimwim

    @espiegel123 said:
    You wouldn’t need to upgrade for the timeline. The timeline has been in Loopy Pro since its first release.

    Could be that he has Loopy HD. Then he would need to upgrade.

  • zah7zah7

    @wim said:
    tbh, @zah7 you mentioned StageTraxx, and I think that a purpose-built app such as that or Camelot Pro is a safer choice. These are apps designed from the ground up for what you're doing. Loopy Pro can be made to fit just about any use case for performing, but it's not already set up for what you want to do. You're on your own to craft it.

    If you like building things and have the time to learn, build, and test, test, test your setup, Loopy Pro is awesome. It doesn't have some of the other purpose-built things such as song and chord sheet display though, and those aren't easy to put together as effectively using other apps alongside Loopy.

    But if StageTraxx looks like it has everything you need (and to me it does look like it fits your original post), and all it's missing is a metronome, I seriously wouldn't dismiss it. That limitation should be easy to overcome. Far easier than customizing Loopy Pro or some other DAW to your purposes.

    Finding the time I would need to dedicate to creating metronome tracks would be problematic for me, so I’m looking for something that has a built-in click. Unfortunately, Stage Traxx doesn’t have it. Camelot, on the other hand, looks pretty decent, but truth be told, I need something fairly simple :)

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