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Kurzweil K2000 & ipad pro 2021
Hello! Can anyone in the know give me some advice? I have a Kurzweil K2000 & iPad Pro 2021. What can I get out of this? Are there any special iOS programs to control these keys, or can the Kurzweil K2000 and iPad only be used as a midi keyboard? I would be very grateful for any advice.
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Can you be more clear about what you want to do?
@rs2000 I would like, if possible, to transfer the control to the iPad and, most importantly, that all the data of the Kurzweil k2000 display be displayed on the iPad. Because the Kurzweil k2000 display is black and white, small and has already faded over time. It is simply hard to see. But the sounds in this synthesizer are excellent (especially the orchestral RAM)
Oh that's going to be difficult on the iPad. But you could use program changes to select patches from the iPad.
A list of sounds could be prepared in Mozaic and selected by onscreen named pads for example.
Apart from that, spare displays are available with better quality and higher contrast for the K2000.
There are a few (old) editors for the K2000 but nothing for the iPad afaik. You could use Surface Builder or MIDI Designer Pro for some generic tasks like envelope or filter control but nothing will mirror the screen or help you with VAST.
As far as I remember it is possible to request the display with the ALLTEXT/GETGRAPHICS sysex message. But the sysex structure of the K2k is very complex and requires some knowledge. I did some research and found a Python lib which communicates with the K2k: https://github.com/psobot/k2000/
@rs2000 @Philandering_Bastard @os68ng Happy New Year 2025 to everyone🎄I didn't think that they would help with advice on New Year's Eve too) Thank you all so much! I will try everything you advised, but I will probably start with buying a new display and simply connecting it to the iPad as a midi keyboard. And then we'll see how it goes... If something doesn't work out, maybe I'll ask you a couple more questions. Once again, thank you all for your help!
Excellent! Have your K2000 serviced, internal batteries changed if needed and the display replaced! It is a marvellous machine. Iconic. Then get an audio interface, use the K2000 as a sound source, MIDI- controller and sample it to one of the many great apps available for iOS and you have a solid setup for years to come.
Just my two cents…
😎
/DMfan🇸🇪
@novich Thanks a lot, same to you! 😃
Another iOS + K2000 user! I expected I was the only one.
I have the K2000 rack which sits on a wire rack off to the side of my desk close to eye level. I bought a cheap clip-on led light to help light up the display (yes, a pretty low tech solution). I have not even bothered implementing prog changes to cycle through patches because the unit is within reach and at eye level. I typically just keep notes of patch settings by noting them in the DAW track notes section. I actually do this with AUV3 instruments as well because software updates in the past have wiped out my AUV3 instrument patch settings on a few songs. Keeping patch/parameter info in the track notes section has proven to be a valuable backup plan (even if it is a bit low tech and tedious at times).
@DMfan Thank you very much! This is most likely the most realistic and simple thing I can do. Moreover, I already have an audio interface for iPad. True, it does not have midi. It is called Apogee one. But you can probably try to connect midi to iPad via a USB hub. I had a cable somewhere, it is about 20 years old)) I am not sure that it will work, but I need to try. has been sitting on the shelf unused for more than 20 years, but I remember how great it sounds and I think about it all the time)
@GrnEgz_N_Hm Теперь нас двое😄. На счёт светильника на прищепке отличная идея. Спасибо, думаю это поможет! Когда я всё подключу у меня наверняка появятся к вам вопросы. Я побеспокою вас, если вы не против
Nice to meet you 👍
@GrnEgz_N_Hm Mutually 🤝
I was using GlitchStep on my phone with a CME WIDI device plugged into the back of my K2600XS the other day. I have a K2000RS too. These old Kurzweil machines are still relatively unexplored and amazing. Highly recommend the CME Bluetooth stuff for getting a bit more out of your hardware with iOS apps too.
@scrape I agree that they are unexplored and surprising. They are also complex. I still haven't figured out the k2000.
And what more will CME WIDI give me compared to a regular wired connection? I have a midi cable: USB on one side, and two 5-pins on the other (probably midi input and output). Will there be a difference in functionality?
And also, please tell me which CME WIDI model you use?
One of these:
https://amzn.eu/d/bBlubCK
If you have it all wired up already then that’s fine but I’m regularly moving between a few machines and find it really freeing to not have to rewire every time. Just stick the CME in the midi port with no cables getting in the way. My main sound card is out of order too so I’m juggling ins and outs and I don’t like having my phone wired up
@scrape Thank you for your answer! I don't think I really need mobility, since I have nothing to switch. I only have a Kurzweil and an iPad, which is also not very mobile (12.9 inches). My cable is also CME.
The built in sequencer and arpeggiator in the K series are good too. Although not the tightest on paper, they do a couple of things I’ve not seen elsewhere, are plenty tight enough for me. and are fun to play with. I have a RS7000 for super tight sequencing, if needed.
Hi,
And you can play pong on it. Really.
Sound quest had an editor/libratian for the K2000. And I believe its on iPad. OTOH their stuff ,for me, was always buggy and expensive.
The universal editor librarian I have always used Is Sound Diver. Then apple bought it and basicly killed it. It still runs on Mac (kinda) and win 32. Hence my having a second PC running xp.
The k2000 series can sound good, I just never came to grips with programming it. This was in the late 90s early 2000s tho.
GL op and HNY!
@scrape I'll probably use Cubasis, so I probably won't need the Kurzweil sequencer and arpeggiator. Although, anything is possible. I can't really imagine all this yet, and how it will work together)
@FlowingRobes Hello! I looked at the appstore. Found this https://apps.apple.com/ua/app/artis-sound-editor/id797796299?l=ru And this https://apps.apple.com/ua/app/midiquestessentialsi/id1338670761?l=ru Maybe this will work? But for now I'll have to limit myself to connecting Kurzweil as a midi keyboard and taking an audio signal from it. Because for me it's all complicated. The only thing I'm interested in is one thing. My sound card only has 1 microphone and 1 instrument input. And this instrument input is most likely mono. And Kurzweil has mono and stereo outputs. If I take a mono output from it, then spatial effects such as reverb probably won't be transmitted adequately?
What audio interface is it?
@espiegel123 Apogee one. This sound card has a very high-quality detailed microphone input. Most likely, the instrument input is of the same quality.
@FlowingRobes SoundDiver was such a great product!
Today we have many nice editors out there but none of them comes close to the wide support of hardware and their beautiful integration into one big setup. Same here, as long as I'm using hardware, I'll keep my MIDI interfaces with old drivers supported under Win32.
Hi,
Rock on rs2000!
Plus, even I can make adaptations. No coding. I made a dmpro fx adaptation a cpl years ago. And I did about 4-5 editors in the old days. I'm even in the printed manual. Guido Marciano. When I was running logic, the integration between SD and logic made it a one of a kind system. I even go back to the first universal editor/librarian Dr T's XOR....then motu unisyn, then Diver.
Thx for the memories...Bob hope:-)
I read somewhere that someone had gotten SD to work under win7/64. But I'll hold on to my xp with 2 8x8 unitors and logic 5 as a massive router/transformer into diver from my win 7/64 box.
Sorry op for ot.....BTW the first link could work for you, but not the second link.
Hi OP,
I looked at your interface apogee one, and it is 2 in 2 out. There should be a way to use the mic and line inputs at the same time to record the kurzweil in stereo. I would look to the apogee forum,if there is one. Some kinda adapter cable to connect to the breakout cable that come with the apogee. You would then control panning in whatever software your going to use for a daw.
GL
@FlowingRobes Hi!
Yes, of course, there is the ability to record from both the microphone and instrument inputs. And I have this cable. But can the microphone input be used as an instrument input? It is most likely designed for a weaker signal. Or am I wrong?
Hi,
Sometimes yes you can use a mic input for a line. Especially if one can turn the gain down on the preamp on the mic input in software. It depends on the device.
@FlowingRobes Thanks for the great idea! Now I'm preparing the place for installation. I'll try to connect everything soon and see what happens) What if it doesn't work in stereo? Synthesizers are usually not connected in mono? Kurzweil has a mono output
btw. I am the former developer of the K2k module in SD. And believe me, it was a real challenge 😉. Without an editor it is almost impossible to program that synth.
I loved the K2k for the well-balanced sounds and presets which allow you to integrate them in your arrangement seamlessly. Sold mine many years ago to reduce gear.