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Sonicake Pocket Master as an iOS interface for guitar

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  • edited January 30

    Thanks for the detailed review and comments, @wim. When I added up the pros and cons, it doesn't make sense for me personally to replace the NuX Mighty Pro with the Sonicake. Which is probably a good thing in the end.

    @Uprightmusic , I'm glad you posted a picture of your studio, I feel a lot less bad about my G.A.S. now :)

  • @wim said:

    @Cambler said:

    @wim said:

    If it ever gets midi control, it'll be as close to perfect as I need.

    Stupid question, but what will midi control do for you?

    Things like letting me change presets from a foot switch. Allow toggling, say an overdrive stomp box on or off, that kind of thing. Not a biggie, but diving into the patches to do quick things like toggling an FX or cranking the gain is a little tedious.

    Not a big deal, but it could be useful to make practicing little more fun. Especially if you could do it over Bluetooth. I only got started thinking about it because I read a brief hint somewhere that it might be coming.

    Gotcha! Although your portable setup sounds like it's starting to grow :)

  • @Cambler said:
    Gotcha! Although your portable setup sounds like it's starting to grow :)

    Yeh, kinda defeats the purpose don't it?

  • @wim said:

    @Cambler said:
    Gotcha! Although your portable setup sounds like it's starting to grow :)

    Yeh, kinda defeats the purpose don't it?

    Maybe :) A chopstick or fork will do the trick!

  • @wim said:

    @Cambler said:
    Gotcha! Although your portable setup sounds like it's starting to grow :)

    Yeh, kinda defeats the purpose don't it?

    I know the feeling all too well 🤣

    One of the reasons I had such a hard time justifying a decent iOS audio interface but at $64 I had to do it. It is what it is at this point.

  • edited January 30

    @filo01 said:

    @Uprightmusic , I'm glad you posted a picture of your studio, I feel a lot less bad about my G.A.S. now :)

    Haha I’m here to help! 🤣

    @filo01 said:

    doesn't make sense for me personally to replace the NuX Mighty Pro with the Sonicake. Which is probably a good thing in the end.

    Does the Mighty Pro work as an audio interface for iOS?

  • @Uprightmusic said:

    doesn't make sense for me personally to replace the NuX Mighty Pro with the Sonicake. Which is probably a good thing in the end.

    Does the Mighty Pro work as an audio interface for iOS?

    Yes, it does. The RTL is about 13ms at 64samples/48kHz.

  • @filo01 said:

    @Uprightmusic said:

    doesn't make sense for me personally to replace the NuX Mighty Pro with the Sonicake. Which is probably a good thing in the end.

    Does the Mighty Pro work as an audio interface for iOS?

    Yes, it does. The RTL is about 13ms at 64samples/48kHz.

    Ah ok very good.

  • Midi on its way. . . .

  • It’s crazy how much they are trying to pack into this little $64 unit!

  • @filo01 said:

    @Uprightmusic said:

    doesn't make sense for me personally to replace the NuX Mighty Pro with the Sonicake. Which is probably a good thing in the end.

    Does the Mighty Pro work as an audio interface for iOS?

    Yes, it does. The RTL is about 13ms at 64samples/48kHz.

    Is this as measured by Onyx?

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @filo01 said:

    @Uprightmusic said:

    doesn't make sense for me personally to replace the NuX Mighty Pro with the Sonicake. Which is probably a good thing in the end.

    Does the Mighty Pro work as an audio interface for iOS?

    Yes, it does. The RTL is about 13ms at 64samples/48kHz.

    Is this as measured by Onyx?

    Yes. Did you check the link? :wink:

  • @filo01 said:

    Yes, it does. The RTL is about 13ms at 64samples/48kHz.

    Is this as measured by Onyx?

    Yes. Did you check the link? :wink:

    I hadn’t noticed the link, thanks. I also mus-read and thought that was latency for the Pocket Master

  • @filo01 @espiegel123 Leo Gibson just posted his latency findings. I have watched it yet but it’ll be interesting to see his results.

  • wimwim
    edited January 30

    He measures in-device latency near the end at 5.2 - 5.3ms. Add to that the 4.94ms RTL AUM is showing at 64 frames, and you get into the ballpark of the Onyx measurement.

  • I’m having success detecting the Pocket Master using two attachment schemes:

    1) a USB-C male to USB-C male cable plugged into the iPad Pro (no power source and all that entails)
    2) the Apple USB-C adapter with USB-C out and HDMI+USB-A+USB-C power port. Adding USB-C power supports powering the Pocket Master and the iPad (not sure what the minimum power adapter supply is… I went for a 100W adapter so I can connect a lot of stuff

    When I run either of these schemes through an additional powered USB-C hub which I have connected as a rule then AUM fails to detect the audio interface of the Pocket Master. I wish I could use the hub and avoid extra cabling steps to record quitar.
    The HUB I use has a headphone jack and that needs to be moved to the headphone port of the Pocket Master using a 1/4” to mini-plu adapter.

    I have a few meow USB-C hubs to test but my current hub has a 1TB SSD M.2 drive that I was hoping to have handy for loading samples, MIDI and such.

    The Pocket Master is a very well made piece of gear on first impression. Now, I need to learn how to locate, download and import NAM files.

  • @McD said:
    The Pocket Master is a very well made piece of gear on first impression. Now, I need to learn how to locate, download and import NAM files.

    You'll want to look for ones that are "full rig" captures rather than just amp captures. You can't add a cabinet IR with a NAM profile, so you need ones that are captured with the cabinet to do everything on device.

    I've deleted all the free full rig captures I've found so far on https://tonehunt.org. They just don't do it for me.

  • wimwim
    edited January 31

    @wim said:
    It needs an acoustic guitar simulator and an acoustic amp model.

    GT Acoustic Guitar Simulato NAM profile works well enough for sketching out ideas, but needs a healthy dose of the boost FX after the amp.

    [edit] really liking it after more time with it. I think it's maybe better than the iOS alternatives I usually use.

  • @wim said:

    I've deleted all the free full rig captures I've found so far on https://tonehunt.org. They just don't do it for me.

    Yeah I agree. I do like one Princeton I found on there but I’m a clean player. Most of the stuff on there is heavily overdriven. The few packs that Tone Junkie has are solid.

  • Anyone run a bass through one of these?

  • Does this have a bypass so that the guitar signal can go directly through the Pocket Master into an iOS amp model sim? Or do you always 'have' to use one of the PM amps?

  • @Michael_R_Grant said:
    Does this have a bypass so that the guitar signal can go directly through the Pocket Master into an iOS amp model sim? Or do you always 'have' to use one of the PM amps?

    You can turn all the blocks off.

  • @Uprightmusic said:

    @Michael_R_Grant said:
    Does this have a bypass so that the guitar signal can go directly through the Pocket Master into an iOS amp model sim? Or do you always 'have' to use one of the PM amps?

    You can turn all the blocks off.

    Thanks! I'm definitely tempted by this!

  • McDMcD
    edited February 2

    I started by making a Preset of a clean solo tone… I used the IOS “Soniclink” app to tweak the exiting P09 Preset.

    After that I had a nice practice play:
    1. Guitar into Pockert Master
    2. Headphones (with 1/4” phono stereo adapter) in Pocket Master

    and for the backing track I played some on my iPhone and connected the Pocket Master via Bluetooth.

    I’m definately going to velcro the Pocket Master to my practice guitar. I should use the supplied “clip” hardware and
    mount the Pocket Master on the guitar strap maybe.

  • @Cambler said:
    Anyone run a bass through one of these?

    Been meaning to do that. Maybe tomorrow.

  • Hey folks, I have a newbie question:

    I have connected my guitar directly with a usb converter table to both my iPad with AUM and to my PC with a DAW. On both occasions there was lagging. I have read that an interface may help with this. Is this hardware also that?

    Thanks!

  • @AlexY said:
    Hey folks, I have a newbie question:

    I have connected my guitar directly with a usb converter table to both my iPad with AUM and to my PC with a DAW. On both occasions there was lagging. I have read that an interface may help with this. Is this hardware also that?

    Thanks!

    It is an interface. There will always be some latency with audio interfaces. Latency with the Pocket Master should be about the same as other audio interfaces, maybe a bit more.

    How are you picking up on the latency? Are you judging by when the audio is recorded into the DAW?

    Are hearing the latency? If so, how are you monitoring, through headphones plugged into the Pocket Master, or headphones plugged into the iPad or PC?

    On the PC, using an ASIO driver such as ASIO4ALL can help a lot. On both iOS and Windows DAWs, audio buffer settings determine latency. Lower buffer settings produce lower latency. Reduce them as far as you can until the audio starts "breaking up" from lost frames.

    If you're monitoring with headphones plugged into the device, you get minimal latency for the onboard sounds, but if you're sending the audio to the iPad or PC, then back to the pocket master, you're looking at double the latency.

    If you provide more details, maybe people can provide additional working tips.

  • edited February 8

    Thanks!

    The cable that I use to connect the guitar to either iPad or PC is this one:

    https://www.amazon.com/HOSONGIN-Connectors-High-Fidelity-Compatible-GarageBand/dp/B0CMHGXPTS

    I bought it with the assumption that it wasn’t an interface (like, say, the iRig) but I wanted to try in case I could save myself a few bucks lol.

    to use an example , I don’t get any latency when playing into the BBE Stompboard software when running standalone on the PC, but when I try through my DAW, I can hear the delay on my wired headset no matter what guitar vst I try. Same with the iPad.

    I was starting to chalk it up to my cable being a simple usb connector as opposed to an actual audio interface (that’s been my assumption but I’m honestly not sure if I’m off base). The Pocket Master seemed like a great deal, so I was wondering if using it to connect to my devices will help with the time lag when using the DAW.

    Hope all that made sense :)

    Best,
    Alex

    Edit: I will try the advice with the buffers in the meantime. I have been using AUM’s max settings for the latency compensation on the iPad.

  • Those guitar to usb cables are not ideal, i have a behringer branded version and latency is not good.
    Pocket master has very good latency and this can be adjusted in the settings within your DAW. Pocket master also has a windows driver you can download from their site that is ‘asio’ so latency is very low.

    Worst case scenario is that you can record audio out from the headphones of the pocketmaster with no lag - but the usb digital out is best and latency is very low.

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