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NEW APP: Synth One J6, Chorus Test - Can you tell which is which?

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  • MrSmileZMrSmileZ

    @AnalogMatthew said:
    On the fun tip... can you spot the filters?

    https://audiokitpro.com/mp3/FilterTest.mp3

    Here's a Filter Demo between:

    • Free iOS/iPad App, Synth One J6
    • $200 VST by a company starting with "R"
    • $1800 Vintage refurbished Juno

    What are your guesses for each?
    (All 3 sound clips are Init patches, C2 & C3 held, No Chorus, Full Resonance)

    The first two people to guess correctly will get Synth One J6 a week before the release!

    iPad app #3
    RealJuno #2
    VST #1

  • LoupsLoups

    Vst, Juno, app?

  • NighurNighur

    @AnalogMatthew said:
    On the fun tip... can you spot the filters?

    https://audiokitpro.com/mp3/FilterTest.mp3

    Here's a Filter Demo between:

    • Free iOS/iPad App, Synth One J6
    • $200 VST by a company starting with "R"
    • $1800 Vintage refurbished Juno

    What are your guesses for each?
    (All 3 sound clips are Init patches, C2 & C3 held, No Chorus, Full Resonance)

    The first two people to guess correctly will get Synth One J6 a week before the release!

    Synth One J6 is the first. The vintage Juno is the second, the third one is the VST

  • catboxcatbox
    edited February 12

    edit

  • catboxcatbox

    I would guess 1) VST, 2) app, 3) Juno

    An upcoming Jupiter 8-app sounds amazing btw. That has to be my favorite classic synth!

  • AnalogMatthewAnalogMatthew
    edited February 12

    Keep 'em coming. Loving it!

  • SamuSamu

    App, VST, Juno or something like that :sunglasses:

  • JodorowskyVJodorowskyV

    $200, $1800, free is my guess.

  • SlushSlush
    1. iPad 2. Juno 3. VST
  • cuezaireekaacuezaireekaa

    I also think app, Juno,vst

  • SynthiSynthi

    VST, app, Juno

  • dendydendy
    edited February 12

    hw, vst, app

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    1.- juno
    2.- Synth one J6
    3.- VST

  • cokomairenacokomairena
    edited February 12

    @dendy said:
    hw, vst, app

    We had the same answer you switcheed lol

  • dendydendy
    edited February 12

    @cokomairena said:
    .

    i edited it :-)) i posted it, but then listened it again and changed my choice :-))

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @dendy said:

    @cokomairena said:
    .

    i edited it :-)) i posted it, but then listened it again and changed my choice :-))

    yeah I got it on camera lol I thought I was loosing my mind

  • ejacul337ejacul337

    1st is original
    3rd is the new one

  • TentypeTentype

    Juno, app, vst

  • AnalogMatthewAnalogMatthew

    Holy Smokes, love you folks!

    Great results (I made a spreadsheet so, don’t try to change your answers haha)



    12 Answers:


    9 out of 12 of you thought this free pad app sounded as good as the real thing or Roland’s official emulation
    J6 won by a landslide! (Would have been 10 out of 12 if Dendy didn’t change his answer 😂)

    WOW: A real vintage Juno owner here thought the app was the real thing!

    50% of you said the Real Juno was the J6 or the J6 was the Juno
    34% of you said the the Real Juno was the Real Juno
    16% of you said the the Real Juno was the VST

    41% of you were able to identify the VST

    33% of you were able to identify the real Juno
    Only 25% were able to identify the app



    So… no complaining about this filter, okay? 😉

    Congrats to the winners!

    1) Roland Juno VST 
2) Vintage Juno
3) Synth One J6


    Thanks everyone for participating, you made my day. Everyone’s a winner:
I’ll give all 12 of you the app early! 🙏

    Watch this quick video about the filter:

    What did we learn? A free iPad app can hold its own against a $200 desktop VST and even beat it sometimes. Pretty wild!

    I’m sure you’d all get it right if you had the app and a real Juno in front of you. The J6 isn’t a true Juno emulation since the filter is noticeably different. Even so, it’s a super versatile synth, kind of like a PolyBrute. 



    Just tweak the sliders and see where it takes you! :)

  • reasOnereasOne

    1st refurbished
    2nd vst
    3rd synth one j6

  • reasOnereasOne

    Guess I’m late lol

  • JodorowskyVJodorowskyV

    cool! that was fun. thanks @AnalogMatthew !

  • dendydendy

    @reasOne said:
    1st refurbished
    2nd vst
    3rd synth one j6 .

    this is interesting, you got fooled by VST sounding better than HW same way like me :lol: :lol: .. that resonance of VST plugin filter is really fucking good ..

  • dendydendy

    @analog_matt

    this was interesting test, i like this kind of tests, thanks !

    next time try also playing some chords without filter, and especially then fast(extreme, max speed) LFO -> PITCH and LFO -> CUTOFF modulation /that is basically most reliable test to hear differences between HW with SW, in such situation differences starts to be very obvious ) ..

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @AnalogMatthew said:

    Spent around 40–50 hours dialing in the chorus for this. Nothing beats the sound of real vintage hardware. but this gets dangerously close. Good enough for rock ’n’ roll?

    Synth heads, I’m sure you’ll be able to tell which is which. But what about everyone else...

    Can you tell which is which for the tests?

    Looking forward to your guesses.

    Also, the video has a little preview of a quick preset I made.

    What was the result of this one?

  • AnalogMatthewAnalogMatthew

    Gave the pre-beta to 2 different Official Roland Cloud sound designers today
    One messaged me: "Sounds really thick, love that filter"

  • NeuMNeuM

    @AnalogMatthew said:
    Holy Smokes, love you folks!

    Great results (I made a spreadsheet so, don’t try to change your answers haha)



    12 Answers:


    9 out of 12 of you thought this free pad app sounded as good as the real thing or Roland’s official emulation
    J6 won by a landslide! (Would have been 10 out of 12 if Dendy didn’t change his answer 😂)

    WOW: A real vintage Juno owner here thought the app was the real thing!

    50% of you said the Real Juno was the J6 or the J6 was the Juno
    34% of you said the the Real Juno was the Real Juno
    16% of you said the the Real Juno was the VST

    41% of you were able to identify the VST

    33% of you were able to identify the real Juno
    Only 25% were able to identify the app



    So… no complaining about this filter, okay? 😉

    Congrats to the winners!

    1) Roland Juno VST 
2) Vintage Juno
3) Synth One J6


    Thanks everyone for participating, you made my day. Everyone’s a winner:
I’ll give all 12 of you the app early! 🙏

    Watch this quick video about the filter:

    What did we learn? A free iPad app can hold its own against a $200 desktop VST and even beat it sometimes. Pretty wild!

    I’m sure you’d all get it right if you had the app and a real Juno in front of you. The J6 isn’t a true Juno emulation since the filter is noticeably different. Even so, it’s a super versatile synth, kind of like a PolyBrute. 



    Just tweak the sliders and see where it takes you! :)

    Sounds amazing... Will this new synth have a built-in limiter, @AnalogMatthew ?

  • AnalogMatthewAnalogMatthew
    edited February 13

    Regarding the Chorus test

    First off, thanks to everyone who was brave enough to guess. As for the hundred or so who stayed silent, lurking here, I get it. Fear of being wrong is real. Totally fair.

    But here’s the kicker: drumroll... 100% were unable to tell the real Juno in all 3 notes.
    No one was able to tell the difference.

    I switched the order every time, and many of you confidently picked one or the other without realizing the device order was changing on each note. That means you weren’t actually hearing a consistent difference.
    And it’s really not a trick question, every Juno owner I sent it to caught that the order was changing.

    🤷‍♂️

    I was asking myself why no one here even got close, and other people did? It's not because you don’t have great ears. You absolutely do. Some people here have better ears than me. I realized the only thing different was this test was via YouTube and the other groups got a WAV file.

    So, we may be in the era where instead of "You can’t tell in a mix", we're now in "You can't tell the difference on YouTube".
    Either that, or the Chorus algorithm is pretty good.

    A ) C2, 8': 2nd was app
    B ) C3, 8': 1st was app
    C ) C2, 16': 2nd was app

    The last one even made me go back and double check. Usually low frequencies are where an emulation starts to sound weaker than the hardware, and the J6 still sounds bold and powerful. Thanks machine learning. (I'm not going to call it AI)

    So, on this test, literally NO ONE could tell the difference between the app chorus and the vintage juno
    At least with Youtube compression, people can't.

  • AnalogMatthewAnalogMatthew

    BTW, I have to give a shout out to Adam Bell, who gave me all his J_NO Chorus code as a starting point.
    Could NOT have done it without him 🙏

    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/j-no-chorus/id1507482196

  • AnalogMatthewAnalogMatthew

    @pmertens said:
    I’d say no 2 is the original.

    Thanks! If you like the way the 2nd one sounds, you'll be very happy with the app ;)

    I can’t remember the 106 having a stepped fade out of its noisyness on key release.

    We tend to have fond memories. But, the hardware is noisy AF. 😂 The crazy thing is the chorus on my refurbished juno is still less than my brand new boutique JU-06A.

    A ) C2, 8': 1st Hardware, 2nd was app
    B ) C3, 8': 1st was app (2nd one is so noisy, I thought everyone would know it's hardware)
    C ) C2, 16': 1st Hardware, 2nd was app

    I must confess, I added a little noise oscillator to the app tests. Otherwise anyone would know right away the one with the noise was the real juno

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