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Tinnitus: What frequency? Found any relief?
I've had a constant 8.3k ring for 8 days now. To be honest it's not really bothering me that much.
I really only notice it when I wake up or in quiet settings, work, studio etc.
What's your frequency Kenneth?
Do you have a method to get relief?
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How can you know the exact frequency?
Not sure my frequency (how'd you find yours out mate?), but I usually use a white noise machine 24/7 in my studio flat. This helps me sleep better.
Edit - https://a.co/d/6i5hBpE This one to be more precise.
You need a sine wave tone generator that allows tuning the frequency. Let it play on a very low volume that is not too loud so you don't hear you tinnitus anymore. Now you try to match the frequency of the tone generator with that of your tinnitus. You have found the frequency when you are able to tune the tone generator on "zero beat" with the tinnitus. This means that you do not here any slow wobbling of the sound like you get with detuned oscillators on a synth. This is best done with closed headphones or in a very quiet environment.
Here is an online tone generator (I am not sure about the frequency accuracy): https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/
And BTW: I have a two layered tinnitus. One is a hum on 63 Hz, the other a very high pitched hiss with no specific frequency. The hum is definitely not coming from the electrical network as we have 50 Hz here.
Exactly. Like auGEN X
https://apps.apple.com/au/app/augen-x/id1439844878
Mine's around 8K as well, and sounds like a heterodyne. Some days it's so loud I want to scream, most days I can accommodate it. Nothing helps, and I've tried a number of modalities.
I fully sympathise.
I’ve had low level tinnitus for years, then stupidly made it worse earlier this week when using a hammer drill without ear protection.
It went from a background hiss to a proper distracting noise, but then calmed down a bit a few days later. I’d almost forgotten about it, but it’s come back with a vengeance today. On the plus side it did disappear into the background previously, so I’m hoping it’s not going to be a permanent issue.
I don’t think there’s much you can do about it, but yours might be temporary, and even if not, you kinda get used to it and will have days when you don’t even notice it’s there.
Even if you don't have a precise sense of pitch, one way that comes to mind is just sweep a sine from 1 to 20 kHz until you hear that that sine and your tinnitus sound the same. Although at such a high frequency, this is probably not very accurate.
EDIT: Others have suggested tuning to "zero beat". I'm not sure this would work, as this would rely on phase relationships, which do not really exist between an actual sound wave entering the ear (which is in the time domain) and the erroneous inputs from the affected nerve endings (which are in the frequency domain).
For me the “zero beat” method works. It might be that the brain is just making this up because it expects it (from my experience of tuning analog synths), but I can clearly hear the beat frequency. The other reason that this works for my low frequency tinnitus could be that the low frequency humming sound is actually not coming from a damaged nerve but blood flow or other phenomena in the body that cause that vibration
Very good point! Interesting. I would try this myself just to debunk you, but "unfortunately" I don't currently have a tinnitus 😂
Congratulations for not having tinnitus 👍.
I've had persistent low level tinnitus for decades and some hearing loss (low frequency sounds) in one ear. Anyone who has been in a rock band or worked in a loud environment (I've done both) probably has it.
I never thought about measuring the frequency. I'm curious - what does knowing the frequency of one's tinnitus accomplish?
Probably nothing. A point of interest or discussion really. My first thought was why that frequency. I thought it may be a musician thing, but not looking that way.
What really surprised me was how quickly it started. Just like any other ear ringing, but started with seemingly no cause and hasn't stopped since.
Thanks. I was hoping I was missing some way of helping to deal with it.
I'm curious about it as well. It would be interesting if there was any commonality.
My brother in law went to a hearing specialist who did detailed measurements. This specialist said that tinnitus and other hearing loss affects more than just our hearing, and they also maintained that a finely tuned hearing aid can counteract it while restoring hearing as well.
I haven't heard back from my brother in law about the tinnitus results since he got the hearing aids, but he was very pleased with the improvement in general.
It lets you know roughly at which position along the length of the "snail membrane" in your inner ear the damaged nerves are. Is it useful? No. Is it interesting? YES 😄
@wim @Ailerom the only reason I COULD possibly think the information about the "damaged" frequencies might be useful is if you intended to try to "kill them off" properly.
i.e., if you know your always-ringing nerve ending is around 8 kHz, you could conceivably try to blast a REALLY REALLY loud sine wave at 8 kHz (or better, a very narrow band between, say, 7.9 and 8.1 kHz) into your ear so that it literally mechanically butchers the corresponding nerves and thus maybe kills the tinnitus as well. But then again, you'll probably end up with a permanent notch filter sound instead 😂
And Grok's assessment that tinnitus "is not an illness" is weird. How is your main auditory sensory organ producing phantom inputs "not an illness"? 🤔
From Wikipedia...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus
An illness is synonymous with "disease" and tinnitus itself isn't a disease.
OK, so tinnitus is a symptom of some underlying disease. Fair play, I stand corrected! (I just assumed that tinnitus is always due to actual damage to the nerves sensing the affected frequency(s), which is clearly an over-simplification.)
EDIT: To be fair, I just researched and damage to the hair cells / nerves in the cochlea IS actually responsible for ~80% of tinnitus cases, so my instincts at least weren't RIDICULOUSLY off 🥴
EDIT 2: As this is a music-related forum, the percentage here is realistically probably more like 90 - 110% 😂😉
My came from my first and otherwise totally harmless Corona / Covid infection and ever accompanied me since then.
That may very well be the case. Illness can definitely be a factor.
Most noise apps aren’t as effective as I’d like them to be. I’ve tried many things. My tinnitus is bad. It was minimal until an ear injury like 5 years ago and the subsequent surgery made it 24/7 permanent. It changes pitch, volume, oscillates, and responds to any bodily changes, like being hungry, tired, sick, sore from exercise, etc.. For me the best thing is streaming a series I know and love. I rotate between 10 or so. Shows I know, that have minimal outbursts, and loud parts. I blacken out screen in settings, and put sleep timer on.
So far it’s the only thing that really helps. Since I know the show already I don’t have to pay full attention, I can lay down and give it just a pinch of attention, just enough to take my mind off the whistling tea kettle that is now inside my head. It can’t be anything new cause the idea is to just barely give it enough focus, so you’re not focusing on the tinnitus.
A few shows that work well for me are Bojack Horseman, scrubs, South Park, Arrested Development, etc…
Good luck.
Not dissimilar to my own coping mechanism. I can't get to sleep in a quiet room because of the shrieking in my ears, so every night I play an audio book. Usually the same one for months on end, so I get used to it.
Yes, definitely, commonality was one of the main things I was thinking of.
I'm interested to know what else is impacted by hearing loss.
Very cool. That's a really interesting thing. I wonder if frequency determines which part of my ear canal is getting blasted. I should be on the lookout for things that dominate 8.3k. Maybe.🤔
I'll pass on the sound torture thanks 😆
Maybe Grok means not an injury?
That's pretty terrible. I feel like I just have a taste after reading that. Plus I think my version of hell would be to watch those 4 shows. So I'm pretty scared right now. Thanks 🙃
What about headphones playing an ambient noise, white noise, rain, wind etc? I blasted Mastodon yesterday and didn't think about tinnitus a single time.
lol. It doesn’t have to be those shows. I think It can be any dialogue based audio. For me these things listed below allow to me to close my eyes, and give the audio the smallest bit of focus when needed to take my attention away from the tinnitus.
I’ve never written all this out before, it’s basically a loose guideline in my head that I follow, because over time it was basically the only thing that worked for me to sleep.
Ive tried many sound apps, nature, rain, waves, mixing the noises, etc. multiple fans all year round, many things. these can be very soothing and relaxing, and I could totally see them working for people, unfortunately in my case they were not quite enough. They would work for a little but eventually the “dog whistle” sound would cut through, and I’d focus on it.
I think the reason the familiar/light hearted shows work, is because I was able to take the slightest bit of my attention/thought/focus away from my tinnitus, when needed, making it less invasive, and allowing me to fall asleep.
Hearing aides are definitely an option, my Ear Nose Throat Doctor wants me to give them a try, and I’m planning on setting that up, even if they help 25% I’d be happy. Some are even made with tinnitus combating features. Those can be very expensive though. Another problem for me is since the severity of my tinnitus was caused by an injury/surgery, there’s a good chance they won’t be as effective as they would for someone experiencing tinnitus from gradual hearing loss. Regardless, I won’t know until I try. So that is something I’ve been looking into.
I hope this makes sense, lol. I feel like I was rambling away, for a bit there. Hopefully some of this is helpful.
Also my tinnitus reacts, so if I listen to music for awhile, I might be able to get some respite during the music but, it will then be louder for several hours or even days afterwards. What sucks for me is it changes a decent amount, especially in volume. Obviously the severity of the after effect depends on the loudness and duration of the sound I was exposed to. A concert, it’ll be loud for a couple days, even when wearing ear plugs made for live music.
I listen to music all the time, just usually not too loud.