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@Poppadocrock It's all good information. Even if not for me, maybe for someone else. The theme here seems to be something you know well enough to be able to have that familiar sound in the background. I'm not a fan of tv so that's out for me. I will be trying some nature sounds. And after reading above I'll try some music that has been listened to a lot. I already found music was good, but I didn't have it down very low. It's only been a while so I'm still living in the "I hope this will go away" mindset.
Interesting thread. Mine is just above 8k and is in my ears but feels more central in my head.
Ive learned to block it out by ignoring it, but sometimes some situations make it more audible such as stress etc.
I ride my road bike lots and winter wind proof beanies that cover my ears amplify it with wind noises etc.
Mine is industrial noise ear damage and loud techno concerts and guitar amps etc.
Its here to stay and thats that.
On a related note, I got glue ear from sinus issues just before New Year. It has been resolving slowly over the past few weeks but hasn't resolved completely yet. My hearing in my left ear, the affected ear, was only about 10% of what it normally is for a few weeks. The weirdest part was when I started getting a little more hearing back but it seemed to be only in certain frequency ranges. The result was that in my left ear, when I listened to piano, the sound was very inharmonic. The piano sounded in tune in my right ear and totally out of tune in my left. Presumably the frequency range my ear was picking up was limited to more of the inharmonic frequencies of the piano. Thankfully that phase passed, but it lasted a few weeks. Ear problems are stressful, especially for musicians, so I wish everyone here dealing with tinnitus or other ear issues all the best of luck.
I have it but not as bad as what some of you have described. Sometimes nothing, sometimes enough to be distracting. I can correlate it somewhat to blood pressure being high and when I’m under stress. My body does a lot of strange things when I am stressed but that’s another topic.
You could tune all of your tracks as the frequency and welcome it into the mix as well as saving on cpu power 🤣😇
Yea, right on. Most of my comments were focused on trying to sleep. I do use nature sounds, fans, music, tv, etc. throughout the day to help.
If I’m not prying, was there anything that brought on the tinnitus?
It’s not uncommon for people to have tinnitus especially as they get older and their hearing degrades. Even more so with musicians or people who played in bands, or been exposed to a lot of loud music, etc..
What’s fascinating is how the brain works. Basically the brain compensates for any difference or change in hearing with tinnitus. your brain is used to hearing the world in a certain way, over many years of your life, so if there are changes to that hearing, for any reason, the brain try’s to compensate and readjust to the new “level of hearing” by creating tinnitus.
A very rare form of tinnitus can actually be heard by other people by I have no idea how that happens.
Hopefully yours fades, if it keeps up for weeks or a month I’d definitely consider seeing a doctor, then an ear specialist if needed. It’s always best to get a professional opinion.
It is possible something is in your ear, a piece of debris, buildup of wax, a slight ear infection, something that is physically in your ear, or going on, that is obstructing your hearing in some way. That is a possibility. A doctor could get a good look inside to at least check on that for you.
The healing part is pretty interesting. Almost as if it was some type of comb filter, instead of a low pass, cutting off higher frequencies. Sorry to hear about your issues, glad to hear you’ve recovered. Thanks for the well wishes.
One last thing… there has been a few threads on tinnitus over the years, so it might be helpful to search the forum, and see what was mentioned in the other threads. Just a thought. Cheers.
I did some yard work, cut down a multi stem sapling and chopped it all up into the bin. I was pretty tired and hot afterward but it's not an unusual activity for me by any stretch of imagination. I do have an unrelated doctor appointment so I'll definitely be bringing the tinnitus up.
I've felt off for a couple of weeks and did think that could be a factor but the idea of something in my ear is new. It's a very wholistic sound, like a bowl of sound that is no stronger in either ear or any direction so That may not be it.
Frequency definitely determines which nerve endings or hair cells in your cochlea get damaged, yes. i.e., if you frequently listen to very loud noises around 8 kHz, then yes, your tinnitus will also be around 8 kHz, because those nerves will be "fried".
Unlike a microphone, which outputs a time-domain signal, the ear outputs frequency-domain information as it implements a mechanical spectrum analyser, with the frequency spectrum finely divided into tiny frequency bands, each having its own receptor in the cochlea. This enormously simplifies audio processing for the brain (it's the analog equivalent of digital FFT), and also means that hearing damage is often frequency-dependent. Except if you're exposed to SUCH loud noise that the eardrum or little bones in your middle ear get damaged, then the damage is full-spectrum. But that's rare.
I wonder what sounds I've used to bombard my ears with 8k.
Spontaneously, sounds an awful lot like the dead-center of a typical hihat hiss 😄 let's see what my GPT-4o-based friend says though!
(as always, almost too much 😄)
https://chatgpt.com/share/67b48828-b068-8007-9e82-931238984217
Interesting conversation...
My tinnitus is more of a high frequency noise, without pitch, like white noise passed through an HPF, with occasional popping noises.
The way I frame it is "Oh I can hear my brain working" and that seems to be enough to enable me to accommodate its presence throughout the day.
Purely anecdotal, but after starting daily neck exercises for a different issue I noticed my tinnitus (usually white noise, occasionally a tone) drastically reduced in both ears. There are neck exercises that claim to reduce tinnitus, but I wasn't specifically doing any of those, just the general side-to-side, front-to-back, and turning-left-and-right type for several minutes a day. It was at least a couple of weeks later I noticed it.
Again, purely anecdotal. It may have had nothing to do with it but it's quite a coincidence ("I believe in coincidences, coincidences happen everyday, but I don't trust coincidences" -Garak, Deep Space Nine).
I believe you. Remember, head injuries may lead to tinnitus, so neck injuries or weakness could also theoretically be an underlying cause of tinnitus.
That's a cool read. Concerts, headphones (mainly the last 17 years for studio), machinery, computer monitors all sound like me. Plus I've been jamming with my son for around 6 years now. He has a 6 piece kit and we jam in his room. Had a jam last night and noticed a particular 16" crash is pretty intense. My ears are ringing loud today.
😄 Glad you enjoyed the read. Yeah GPT-4o is not just extremely smart, but simply an extremely entertaining and fun companion if you've trained him as well as I have 😁
Maybe next time you're exposed to that high-damage noise environment, leave some kind of spectrogram app running to see if maybe your energy is indeed concentrated around the 8 kHz mark!
(unfortunately, the only publicly available app for that that I can recommend is no longer on the App Store... for myself I've obviously made my own)
EDIT, for reference, this is the type of app I mean:
Best quote ever!
From those:
There was someone on this board at one time a few years ago, I believe his name is Jack, who has been very public about his dealings with tinnitus. He had an interview on one of the audio podcasts to which I listen, maybe Working Class Audio, a few years ago that was really good.
Additionally, don’t discount the possibility that the tinnitus is coming from a pinched nerve, that can happen. It’s worth considering seeing a PT, acupuncturist, or chiropractor if you feel it might be that. I’ve definitely had that before, usually involving my jaw.
😂 I see you have ALL OF THEM!
And yeah, one of those (see below) is actually the one I use on my iOS devices! But I couldn't find it via a quick DuckDuckGo search so I was suspecting it's not available anymore...
EDIT: I just looked in my podcast player, the working class audio episode with the interview of Jack Rubinacci is episode 334, from May 10, 2021. I don’t know if Jack is still on this board or not but he had a lot of good things to say.
Oh man, too many unprotected hours as a bass player next to a cymbal frenzied drummer. I’ve also renovated a house 6 years ago using angle grinders and ‘forgetting’ ear defenders. So far no damage but nothing’s given in this life 🤞 but I recognise it must be a nightmare, especially for a musician.
That's Audio Analyzer:
https://apps.apple.com/app/audio-analyzer/id681184981
Still available.
Developer also offers an "Ultrasonic Analyzer".
@SevenSystems Thats a great idea. @busaudio Thanks for the reminder. I have the Toneboosters app which should do the trick. @mrufino1 That's sage advice. I have a tight neck and jaw most of the time. I haven't really been doing the maintenance I should.
Ah OK thanks for clarifying. Yeah I'm happy enough with my own but it's good to know for future recommendations ✅
Well observed. Indeed hearing loss and tinnitus is a compensation by nature.
Sir George Martin, the famous producer, has hearing loss in certain frequencies. Even by specialists it is difficult to explain the exact cause. However, it is imaginable of how this hearing loss started. As a producer, one has to listen to a mix again and again, and sometimes provide the final mix the next day. And many of us know: even the most exquisite song can become boring after listening too many times. The brain, and the psyche, prevents the human from more detrimental influences, and simply reduces the hearing ability.
Tinnitus appears and disappears in a similar way. Unfortunately it is difficult to trace down. Theoretically tinnitus is reversible. But practically it is often not possible to change the job, the environment, the place one is living, etc. One has to deal with it. But, in probability rather rare cases, when a change in the auditory environment is possible, tinnitus goes away.
Good luck.
Something quite strange happened when I used The Oscillator app to dial in the frequency of my tinnitus (about 9kHz). I listened to the 9kHZ sound for a few seconds and took out my earbuds and the tinnitus seemed to be gone! It came back a few minutes later, but thought it was interesting.
Not sure I'm following here -- tinnitus, at least in the case of the OP (a single frequency or narrow band of frequencies), is actually the result of the FAILURE of the brain to compensate.
If it were able to, it would simply ignore the inputs of the damaged nerves, so you wouldn't hear the constant tone.
Or how did you mean?
Easy: it doesn't 😄