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What would it take for you to abandon all Apple products
I’m very much in the Apple world as a customer, iPhone, iPad, apps, iCloud, MacBooks, dongles, all the usual, and so are you probably in varying balances
Looking into the pretend future, what one thing would it take for you to look elsewhere and perhaps abandon using the Apple gear you have; or abandon the apps/services you’ve spent on; or merely abandon buying any further
Hypothetically of course
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There is no one thing.
It would have to be many things, starting with the majority of mobile device apps I have now being available on the other platform, without spending a lot to get them there. And they would need to work as well as they do on iOS/iPadOS.
It's about the apps, not the platform.
Oh. And emoji support must be at least as good.
Well that goes without saying of course
I think for me, it’s not about the apps or software, it’s more an ideological thing
At the moment I feel safe in Apple, but as time goes by and the corporation atrophies or loses direction or transforms into something else, I might cease feeling quite so safe – feeling that all my stuff is protected, and if that happens I’d be wanting to retract and ‘de-Apple’ (in the same way that people are currently and justifiably ‘de-googlifying’ and ‘de-adobe-ing’ etc)
Almost any app I’ve got used to within Apple I can find something that does a job like that elsewhere eg on a Raspberry Pi 500 or in the case of synths, in hardware and in the case of iOS apps I accept that one day I might have to walk away from all the apps I’ve ever paid for and start again in a different way
I think I'm going to "de-other" this discussion. It's got enough potential hooks into music making that it's justified. If it ends up getting ugly I'll move it back.
It would be an MC707 with an inbuilt battery and a much bigger screen - Samsung will do for the phone.
Several years ago, They forced users into ownership/interaction with an unknown (and unwelcome to many) U2 album which appeared in their iTunes account without warning.
Like a Trojan horse. not a good sign of things to come.
Seriously though….
The continued crapness of the iOS file system is almost enough to make me leave the platform.
Clunky/weird/bordering on absurd sometimes.
I still use AudioShare to get my files to a desktop and vice versa.
Oh wow
The only ONLY reason I picked up an iPad two years ago was because I couldn't/can't afford an RC-505 and there was/is no equal on PC (and PC died around the time too, so maybe something now?), and I could get an iPad thru Verizon that made it "affordable*"
Quite literally, Loopy Pro is the only reason
And while thinking about this, I just realized I've gone down a long rabbit hole of *plugins and instruments that was NOTHING of my intentions from the start (production wise)
Like... Wild mindset shift just happened
So, to answer the question: loopy on PC or android
(But PC ain't portable, and android really sucks for anything other than light entertainment or clerical work)
...Or an RC-505
Being marooned on a desert island I guess would do it.
I like your posts more and more
And I’ll tell what I’d leave it for:
Ad Wim said the apps porting over to any other file system
And a file system as integrated and sick across all devices and platforms
It’s hard to beat the product, from every angle , really again as Wim said, multiple things considered it’s just unparalleled
Majority of App Store apps going subscription.
(Unless maybe if there was one umbrella subscription covering many apps.)
+1
Subs
I would leave it all for sub
Good call wim
Please let’s not give Apple any ideas! (Looks at Apple Arcade)
Definitely, but at least Apple's recent hardware architecture kind of shifted my focus to a platform as an enabler for GPU-intensive apps, without the size or energy consumption we've been used to.
It would take a lot for me to justify abandoning Apple products. I make good income doing professional productions for clients in the Apple ecosystem.
The Windows environment would be too costly. The plugins I use would cost me more money. The plugins would require license unlocks (where some unlock systems are far easier than other unlock systems). I'd need a subscription to antivirus and anti-malware software. There are just too many moving parts for my scattered brain to handle. 😂
But, then again, here's a "what if" scenario. If customer service was consistantly lackluster and did jackshit to help out, I would definitely consider abandoning Apple products. But, my personal experience with their customer service was roughly 95% positive over the course of 15 years. I was never denied a refund once (although I rarely seek refunds for apps). My local Apple Store bends over backwards to make sure my needs are met on the occasion I need a repair. Etc.
Of course this is all my personal opinion and experience, and I do not speak on behalf of others here. Others' mileage will absolutely vary.
All the best to you fine folks. 🥂
Probably nothing. I've been a fan of Apple since the Apple II came out and I've stuck with them ever since.
I've certainly never looked back since getting my first MacBook Pro after making a living for 35 years supporting Windows PCs (and enjoying it). Getting my wife an iPad to replace her Windows PC was one of the best things to ever happen to our marriage too. No more coming home from a 12 hour day fixing PC problems for irate users ... to fix PC problems for an irate spouse.
Oof, I feel that. I used to know how to fix 80% of Windows PC problems on my own, but honestly not worth the hassle and stress when all I want to do is make music at the end of the day.
I have nothing against Windows PCs. I just don't miss them.
tbh, supporting Macs, and especially Mac users, in an enterprise environment was far, far more difficult and thankless.
But at home, when all the dearest love of my life needs to do is write emails, watch Netflix, and find new and creative ways to spend our money, the iPad is a dream come true. 😉
That's fair.
Well, I used Windows PCs for about 16-17 years. The only Windows device I purchased since 2016 was a cheap laptop for transferring files to and from the OP-1 Field I used to have. I installed the latest version of FL Studio on it to see if I could make something in it. I froze up, couldn't remember 90% of the keyboard shortcuts, hated being limited to using a mouse, and was like "f this". Went right back to my iPad. 😂
That's fair. 😄
As probably left as a small passing thought, this comment is huge to me. About this time last year, I was coming out of a period where any text based communication would literally lock me with anxiety, fear of someone misunderstanding my words, trying to cover all bases, oh shit too much text, delete, rinse, repeat
This also includes txt, email, YouTube comments, discord, you name it
I still struggle with major anxiety over typing walls of text (as what I just typed got three big edits before submission 😅) but it's not a full lockdown
So, yeah... Sincerely thank you
A. Men. I forgot about this. Between applecare and iCloud, I've never been less worried about a piece of tech in my life. Even my phone is in a constant state of coddling (and it's a note 9. So technically a device surviving on borrowed time lol)
Yeah, the baked in file/backup system is second to none
Hell, just accessing iCloud from android and PC has finally trumped my old tride n true sneakernet method I've perfected over the last 30 or so years)
Wait. Whut??
iCloud as a file backup solution is terrible! You can't restore individual files and folders, you have to do a complete restore of the entire device and are forced to the latest operating system version. All your apps are re-downloaded from the App Store. IAPs have to be restored in every app individually, apps that are no longer in the App Store are gone.
The only good thing I can say about iCloud backup is it does indeed back things up transparently and unobtrusively. But it's a purely a disaster recovery backup, and one that comes with some serious downsides.
I guess maybe you mean iCloud based storage is smooth and secure. I'll give you that ... until you've got no internet access and Apple has decided you didn't need a local copy. (iOS 18 has a way to lock files in, which is finally a help though).
That's not really backing up, but I get what you mean.
yeh, that is indeed nice.
(Sorry man! I prolly just put you into another crisis of fear of text. 😎)
🤣🤣 All good. Now type small, so no bad mistake. Finally, I perfect reply!
Really though, you raise good points
This is all still Fresh And Easy coming from a cobbled together world of devices (android, PC, pi, numerous cloud services to access from everything, soooo many micro sd's permanently in adapters in pockets, I don't dare tally the number of portable hds id used over the years)
What can I say, I'm a sucker for red flags if they shimmer and sparkle!
I've never felt more connected to Bella Swan in my life
Maybe if i had a rib removed.
This...
What I have I will use as long as it lasts and as long the apps can be reinstalled.
The showstopper for me is planned obsolescence via software. It’s already there to an extent but there are brave developers that have my respect who still produce apps running on iOS 12. For example if only apps running only on iOS 18 and higher would be allowed on the App Store then that’s it for me.
I don’t buy hardware just to support shareholders.
It's very simple. When comes some product with same quality and same (or better price) and it will be non-US company, i switch in no time. This goes basically to ALL tech i use - not just HW, also SW, including AI tools i use daily. I would love to fully go 100% non-US HW/SW tools.
Considering fact this never happens, it's really just hypothetical case
ONE hardware groovebox
That’s an interesting direction, I know most people I know are looking to select everything they use in the software world from an (eg) EU supplier or UK supplier, such as web hosting, email, that sort of thing
If a (for example) Chinese supplier of a system that basically does everything that an Apple system does (and it’s not beyond imagination for this to come about, although it’ll be in pieces rather than a whole) then I’d seriously consider it, I quite like the idea of trusting a Chinese cloud rather than the Apple/Google ones, I quite like the idea of a Chinese iPhone/iPad/Watch system which doesn’t use iOS nor Android, and I quite like the idea of having a lot of Chinese/Korean ideology built into products rather than the clearly unsustainable ones behind Apple and Google and Amazon and suchlike. Then again I personally think the future over the next few centuries is strongly in the East, I’m more interested in what happens there than Europe or further west.
Another thing which might prompt me to make the move:
Apple Intelligence – I consider that to be a very very clever name, it sounds like Artificial Intelligence which Apple is giving you, thanks, that’s nice, how kind. However, think different about the word ‘intelligence’ – not intelligence in the ‘thinking’ sense, but rather, intelligence of the military or espionage sort