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What would it take for you to abandon all Apple products

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  • edited March 8

    @wim said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @mrufino1 said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    If geoshred and animoog controllers emerged elsewhere I would drop Apple tomorrow. If I ever acquire a Linnstrument, I'm probably never buying another ipad.

    But then you’d be the world’s second best linnstrumenter, and that just won’t do.

    Heh. I should have given more thought to my user name. It invokes a level of hubris that rubs me the wrong way, but I am too "path dependent" to ever get around to changing it, if there is even a way.

    Ha. It's one of my favorite forum handles. I get a little chuckle every time I see it.
    PM me if you ever do want to change it.

    Well, you could settle for the bronze…or practice extra hard this year and be the best!

  • Has anyone gone through all the terms and conditions thoroughly?

    You may then be able to discern who owns who. Although this isn’t just Apple’s terms it’s widespread.

  • @u0421793 said:
    You all know about Zynthian, but what if there were many more products like this

    What if, eg, Korg were to release a kit which was basically a casing with knob surface and display, and inside you installed a CM5 board of your own obtaining and choosing, which you can later upgrade – it’d be a sort of halfway stage between (eg) their Multi/Poly rack level of instrument, and the level of ‘kit’ instrument like the NTS stuff (which I tend to think is a bit gimmicky and potentially dead-end once you’ve outgrown it) – imagine the Zynthian ethos, but with Korg or someone like that behind it

    I love Zynthian. Specially as you can use your own hardware configuration.
    I’m thinking about building Zynthian on an x86_64 system. This would allow running Zynthian on an ordinary laptop - ideally with touchscreen like the Dell 2 in 1 I have. Knobs ‘n buttons could be provided by a Behringer X-Touch mini.
    With regards to Korg: The Korg Wavestate uses CM3 boards already. It would be interesting to have a look at the service manual. The SMs usually contain a circuit diagram.

  • @wim said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @mrufino1 said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    If geoshred and animoog controllers emerged elsewhere I would drop Apple tomorrow. If I ever acquire a Linnstrument, I'm probably never buying another ipad.

    But then you’d be the world’s second best linnstrumenter, and that just won’t do.

    Heh. I should have given more thought to my user name. It invokes a level of hubris that rubs me the wrong way, but I am too "path dependent" to ever get around to changing it, if there is even a way.

    Ha. It's one of my favorite forum handles. I get a little chuckle every time I see it.
    PM me if you ever do want to change it.

    It's my 2ndFvrtGeoshredHndl

  • Enforced use of Apple Intelligence.

  • @el_bo said:
    Enforced use of Apple Intelligence.

    +1

  • @wim said:

    @el_bo said:
    Enforced use of Apple Intelligence.

    +1

    I turned it on for a while and tried it, and was extremely underwhelmed:

  • In some ways I regard Apple Intelligence as a risk – it’s not really developed enough to perform “reasoning”, no LLM is really, and as such I would say it can’t be trusted, not just can’t be trusted to give accurate or logically consistent results, but deeper, can’t be trusted not to do something stupid such as fish out certain items of personal information and send it to somewhere it shouldn't be, eg by airdropping, iMessage, or whatever, because it somehow gets the erroneous idea that you wanted this item of private information be given to that random person for some daft internally-inconsistent reason and without you ever knowing this has occurred

  • @u0421793 said:
    In some ways I regard Apple Intelligence as a risk – it’s not really developed enough to perform “reasoning”, no LLM is really, and as such I would say it can’t be trusted, not just can’t be trusted to give accurate or logically consistent results, but deeper, can’t be trusted not to do something stupid such as fish out certain items of personal information and send it to somewhere it shouldn't be, eg by airdropping, iMessage, or whatever, because it somehow gets the erroneous idea that you wanted this item of private information be given to that random person for some daft internally-inconsistent reason and without you ever knowing this has occurred

    That seems inconsistent with Apple's approach. They are very much the leader in putting in place safeguards against privacy leakage. I don't think just because it's labeled "AI" that the usual fears (and I have many!) of AI doing things with unintended consequences apply here. I imagine it's quite well sandboxed.

    However, I'm not every going to find out. I'm simply not interested and don't want my phone "helping" me. I get pissed off enough with auto correct, auto updates, auto turning back on of bluetooth, auto organizing of my email, auto re-enabling shit I intentionally turned off...

    The last thing I want Apple to do is bend it's "intelligence" to assuming what I would like to do. But I don't think they'd screw it up security worse any worse than I might do if, God forbid, I'm not on the ball for some reason when a phishing text or email comes in.

  • wimwim
    edited March 9

    I would abandon all Apple products ...
    If Elon Musk acquired Apple.
    Immediately.

  • @wim said:
    I would abandon all Apple products ...
    If Elon Musk acquired Apple.
    Immediately.

    Yes.

  • @wim said:
    I would abandon all Apple products ...
    If Elon Musk acquired Apple.
    Immediately.

    Why would he want Apple? He has been one of their biggest critics.

  • @NeuM said:

    @wim said:
    I would abandon all Apple products ...
    If Elon Musk acquired Apple.
    Immediately.

    Why would he want Apple? He has been one of their biggest critics.

    It was just a joke.

    But thinking about what you just said. That is exactly why he bought Twitter. Because he believes he can fix anything.

    He couldn’t raise that much cash in a million years. Unless he was in bed with some other ruthless egomaniac at the head of the most powerful nation on earth … oh wait.

  • I’m just messing around. Let’s not get banned for going political. 😂

  • Problem is if you ditched apple - switch to what? For phones and tablets android is a fragmented mess and a privacy/malware nightmare. Windows is still less unreliable for audio and has nothing to compare to core audio for integrating hardware and software. As upgradable as the hardware may be, it never lasts and has zero resale value. And is also a malware / bloatware nightmare. Furthermore, when you get to high spec hardware, it's not really cheaper than apple. Sure you can buy a commodity laptop for $400 but will it work anywhere near as well as a MacBook Air for $800?

    And, the integration between their stuff is incomparable. handoff, universal control, using phone / watch to control Apple TV / HomePods, etc, Apple Pay across all devices, etc - all these things work brilliantly. They can be achieved on windows / android, etc if you have the patience but a single software update to one element can break it all.

    I've been using Macs since the late 80s and at several points when it's pissed me off just how expensive / closed their ecosystem is and I've been about to switch, something's always pulled me back.

    I'm talking music / audio, here, fwiw. Video / 3D - windows is waaaay better.

  • For music I can imagine in decades to come we’ll have taken our music making away from where it is now towards a sort of hardware + Linux-y world, where it is possible to run excellent commercial software synths with very little planned obsolescence and with lots of knobs and displays and physical patch matrixes, and customisation

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    If geoshred and animoog controllers emerged elsewhere I would drop Apple tomorrow. If I ever acquire a Linnstrument, I'm probably never buying another ipad.

    What would be your sound sources?

  • @mjcouche said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    If geoshred and animoog controllers emerged elsewhere I would drop Apple tomorrow. If I ever acquire a Linnstrument, I'm probably never buying another ipad.

    What would be your sound sources?

    Surge or VCV Rack. Surge is Roger's official Linnstrument synth now, with many great presets.

  • @u0421793 said:
    For music I can imagine in decades to come we’ll have taken our music making away from where it is now towards a sort of hardware + Linux-y world, where it is possible to run excellent commercial software synths with very little planned obsolescence and with lots of knobs and displays and physical patch matrixes, and customisation

    And there will be peace in the Middle East.

  • My iPad rig is literally an extension of my body atm.

    I could fairly easily switch to a dumb phone or give up all the time wasting stuff on the screen. In fact it would probably be a blessing.

    Nothing would make me move away from the iPad but if I had to drop other devices for ideological or security or maybe health reasons it’s quite doable I think.

    And if I wanted to buy another iPad I’d likely get it second hand not to give my money directly to them although I guess if the seller I bought it from bought a new iPad then I guess I’d be indirectly giving them money anyway.

    In terms of software, if Loopy Pro, Drambo and Koala stopped working on iOS I’d probably just move towards hardware.

  • DavDav
    edited March 13

    I really like using my iPad. As long as I can purchase my devices and apps (not rent), can control when and where I use them, and they don’t cross my personal privacy red lines I will continue using them. If I woke up one day and my apps were no longer available on my ipad (removed or disabled) I’d probably stop using all apple devices. I don’t use a smart phone, I’m still a flip phone guy.

    But …will we even be using these apps 5 years from now, or using AI agents & virtual assistants for everything? If the news and demonstrations at the mobile world congress last week are any indication, the 2030’s will be totally different than now when it comes to using devices and apps. Speakers there said by 2030 your phone/device and AI will be inside of you. Cell phones will be the size of a blood cell. There was even the worlds first biological computer featured there. Another thing that was obvious this year there, telecom companies are going to have to adapt their business to stay profitable. That and ‘Agentive AI’ was the main takeaway this year. I’d say the world is going to change remarkably in the next 5 years.

  • @Dav said:
    I really like using my iPad. As long as I can purchase my devices and apps (not rent), can control when and where I use them, and they don’t cross my personal privacy red lines I will continue using them. If I woke up one day and my apps were no longer available on my ipad (removed or disabled) I’d probably stop using all apple devices. I don’t use a smart phone, I’m still a flip phone guy.

    But …will we even be using these apps 5 years from now, or using AI agents & virtual assistants for everything? If the news and demonstrations at the mobile world congress last week are any indication, the 2030’s will be totally different than now when it comes to using devices and apps. Speakers there said by 2030 your phone/device and AI will be inside of you. Cell phones will be the size of a blood cell. There was even the worlds first biological computer featured there. Another thing that was obvious this year there, telecom companies are going to have to adapt their business to stay profitable. That and ‘Agentive AI’ was the main takeaway this year. I’d say the world is going to change remarkably in the next 5 years.

    I think the biggest changes over the next several years will have to do with the rise of AI and humanoid robotics. Tesla’s Optimus will be widely introduced soon, along with dozens of other companies with competing products who will be aiming for (roughly) $16,000 range personal assistant and worker robots. People are not prepared for what’s coming very soon.

  • @NeuM said:
    People are not prepared for what’s coming very soon.

    I am, and I hate it.

  • In an ideal world I’d have my Loopy Pro setup in a hardware box and live in an analog/screenless world.

    I find it almost impossible to break up with Apple for day to day life because the alternatives are just terrible.

  • @garden said:

    @NeuM said:
    People are not prepared for what’s coming very soon.

    I am, and I hate it.

    Things will be radically different. There's no putting that genie back in the toothpaste tube. ;)

  • “ What would it take for you to abandon all Apple products?”

    A brain stroke or heart attack. Or a fall down the stairs. Maybe another head on car crash.

  • wimwim
    edited March 14

    An EMP attack would do it for all of us. Only the 10% or so who survive the first few weeks or months would really care though.

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