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“Real ID” is it the Mark of Satan?
I can’t find my birth certificate and probably need one to get a Real ID.
It’s going to be a requirement to get one to Fly this year and Vote I suspect.
In California my driver’s license will be my effective “Real ID” after spending a lot of time at the DMV. I hope they haver good Wi-fi.
Have you got a Real ID and do our global “Partners” see similar programs to root out immigrants in the process of getting “Real IDs” that are better than all those fake ID’s.
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“Real Amur-kin’s have Real ID’s.” the blessed saint Sarah Palin.
“No Real ID? No Amurkin. You betcha.”
Just use AUM or a DAW when waiting.
I always mark down ideas on my iPhone in Cubasis just using the default piano sound, lol. I flesh those out on iPad once home later, but never miss an opportunity to mark down your ideas (imho).
My wife’s birth certificate doesn’t match her other document and our marriage license has yet a 3rd last name. Her sister had this issue and had to see a judge.
Best wishes in your efforts to sort out your ID, here in the UK you need certain documents to vote as well, still it does nothing to encourage the high number's of people who don’t vote, who already know the system doesn’t represent them, I think that was around 40% of the US voting electorate.
I have requested a copy of my birth certificate from the County of my birth. So, the game is on.
My wife will likely need to get copies of 2 marriage license to show the connections between multiple documents from birth to
who she is today. Her sister had to go before a judge and the judge knew her from hundreds of eviction processes she has put before him as a property manager.
It’s seems more difficult to prove your own identity, certainly in comparison to identity theft.
I remember having troubles with that when I let my ID expire for a year because I wasn’t driving. So, I had my SS card two of them in fact because my mother thought she lost it when I turned 18. I had my copy of the birth certificate, apparently only the place you were born has the non copy version. I had a payroll stub, but it was hand written payroll because the guy was old school and bad with computers. So, they said none of this is enough and I had to bring in all of my entire family and friends and have a session to plead a special case scenario!!! Crazy. So, I just went out working some random place for 2 weeks with digital payroll and got a pay check and didn’t even open it until it was in front of the DMV to finally get my ID!!
That was Ohio. Nevada was easy, oh good your ID is already “real ID” this will be easy. Oregon was easy, but it’s not “Real ID” at the time and now I need to get one, but I applied for a passport in 2020 days before they shut down it took months, so flying on airplanes should be fine.
Now they want to make voting as difficult.
That would be the MAGA hat
Also, because I still love Iron Maiden
Making voting more difficult is one of the goals. The other is to establish a centralized database for facial recognition.
Of course the slave holder wants to number their slaves.
I’m curious. Are there any countries where proof of identity / citizenship isn’t required to vote?
Don't they already have that with the driver's licence database?
You have to provide proof of citizenship when registering to vote in the first place.
Under current federal law, it is illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections. Individuals registering to vote must attest to their citizenship, often by signing a declaration on the voter registration form.
instances of voter fraud are very rare, and the proposed “fixes” are just unnecessary barriers that disproportionately disenfranchise marginalized people. A 2023 report by the Brennan Center says that approximately 21.3 million U.S. citizens of voting age do not have readily available proof of citizenship.
About half of Americans do not possess a U.S. passport, and obtaining the required documents can be time-consuming and costly.
(NPR).
Kansas implemented a similar requirement in 2011 that resulted in over 31,000 eligible voters being blocked from registering. This law was later deemed unconstitutional by a federal court: (AP News).
They do, but it is not one centralized system.
Fun tip: facial recognition software is designed for the top half of the face. Kids, remember to wear those sunglasses and earmuffs if you’re up to mischief!
Understood about registering to vote, but I'll rephrase my question.
And this isn't about whether or not it's a good or bad in the US. I'm just really curious if the same threshold people are saying the US needs exists anywhere else.
Does anyone know of a country that does not require identification (to prove you're the registered voter) when voting?
You mean require ID "on voting day when you turn up at the voting centre" or require ID "when you turn voting age and register on the voter's database"?
When you show up to vote.
(ignoring mail-in voting for the moment)
my wife and I decided to renew our passports since the expired Passports are not accepted for Real ID purposes.
Cost: $130 for the passport book + $35 for the execution fee. Ouch. $335. When it was time to pay at the Post Office
their internet was down and they would only accept cash or checks. We had to go to our bank for cash in excess of $300
at an ATM.
Take that poor people.
It’s only within the last few years changed to requiring voter ID in the UK, prior you only needed your polling card which goes to your residence.
I was amazed to check Venezuela's voting system recently, very sophisticated and secure, so when the former US administration cried foul, I had to laugh, but then again nothing changes Trump in his first term tried to install a puppet too.
In Australia you just tell them your name and address and that's it - no ID has to be provided.
Ah ha! And notice that Trump has never been elected there. I knew it.
(seriously though, thanks for the info)
Australians really like USA and always have. Best buddies. We have so much in common.
But Trump is very unpopular here.
Remember about 70% of the total possible voting electorate in the USA didn’t vote for Trump, so he was hardly popular in the USA to start.
I've no political point to make, but that's flawed logic. You have no basis to extrapolate what percentage of non-voters favored or did not favor Trump.
A small percentage of the 40% did vote for other candidates, but the rest didn’t cast a vote, for no doubt various reasons, but they obviously didn’t feel compelled enough to lend their vote to Trump, most obviously didn’t find Trump’s character or politics agreeable enough or favourable.
A General Election has a dataset that often far exceeds that of opinion polls, to which I presume @Simon is referring to.
Sorry, but that just doesn't hold up. To begin with, the turnout was about the same as any year. And one could turn the argument around and say that a substantial number didn't mind enough if Trump got elected to vote against him, or that they stayed home because they didn't like Harris enough. Or, like me, they couldn't in good conscience vote for either of them. (I did vote - for a write in candidate.) You can draw any conclusions you like from such ambiguous data.
I'll leave it, but I think confirmation bias is at play. It strikes me that confirmation bias is what continually leads to Election Day surprises (for both sides, but I feel more often for Democrats).
USA voter turnout since 1980
Source: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/voter-turnout-in-presidential-elections
The only people saying this level of proof is necessary are people trying to make it harder for people to vote. It is a decades long disingenuous scam to imply that non-citizens vote in elections. There is a paper trail showing that most of the proposed rules would reduce the participation of people of color which is the real intention.
I'm not sure why you felt it was necessary to say all that. I expressed no opinion whatsoever about whether it is a good idea or not, and have gone out of my way to make that clear.
I'm purely asking what practices in other countries are.
@wim : my reason for saying what I said is that the history of these voter ID laws is well-documented. I think that people in the U.S. should be more aware of the ongoing attempts by the GOP to suppress the vote. Asking what laws Europeans have, in my opinion, does not get one closer to understanding what is at work.
I'd be interested to know how you can categorically state that the only reason people might think voter ID is important is to suppress minority voters though.
I happen to be closely related to a "person of color" who is all in that it's a good idea. And they're for open immigration (and lean toward socialism to boot). 🤷🏼♂️
Anyway, I'm gonna walk away. My curiosity is simply going to lead me into a discussion I just don't want to participate in. Yuck.