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“Real ID” is it the Mark of Satan?

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  • A quick review of Jim Crow laws will provide additional details on this form of voter suppression.
    History rhymes and the South will rise again. The main rationale to quickly deport immigrants for
    almost any reason is to shift the base to the right… probably a mistake because immigrants tend towards
    strong religious beliefs and social conservative values (i.e. anti-woke).

    The economy cannot sustain the loss of these workers that pick our crops, prepare our food, clean house/businesses, etc.
    Poof! Millions gone and conservatives think they will rule for decades but I suspect the disruption to the economy and
    loss of a low cost work force will have political consequences.

    Carry on facists… the future you envision may never arrive.

  • ,> @McD said:

    A quick review of Jim Crow laws will provide additional details on this form of voter suppression.
    History rhymes and the South will rise again. The main rationale to quickly deport immigrants for
    almost any reason is to shift the base to the right… probably a mistake because immigrants tend towards
    strong religious beliefs and social conservative values (i.e. anti-woke).

    The economy cannot sustain the loss of these workers that pick our crops, prepare our food, clean house/businesses, etc.
    Poof! Millions gone and conservatives think they will rule for decades but I suspect the disruption to the economy and
    loss of a low cost work force will have political consequences.

    Carry on facists… the future you envision may never arrive.

    I absolutely agree, but what those in power fear most is the masses realising they have the power, their trick is to fool you into thinking you can change nothing, people have the power to change the rules.

  • @McD said:
    A quick review of Jim Crow laws will provide additional details on this form of voter suppression.
    History rhymes and the South will rise again. The main rationale to quickly deport immigrants for
    almost any reason is to shift the base to the right… probably a mistake because immigrants tend towards
    strong religious beliefs and social conservative values (i.e. anti-woke).

    The economy cannot sustain the loss of these workers that pick our crops, prepare our food, clean house/businesses, etc.
    Poof! Millions gone and conservatives think they will rule for decades but I suspect the disruption to the economy and
    loss of a low cost work force will have political consequences.

    Carry on facists… the future you envision may never arrive.

    Assuming this poll is legit, it’s very telling:

  • @wim said:
    I'd be interested to know how you can categorically state that the only reason people might think voter ID is important is to suppress minority voters though.

    I happen to be closely related to a "person of color" who is all in that it's a good idea. And they're for open immigration (and lean toward socialism to boot). 🤷🏼‍♂️

    Anyway, I'm gonna walk away. My curiosity is simply going to lead me into a discussion I just don't want to participate in. Yuck.

    I know you said you wanted out, but I think there is an important clarification that needs to be made. I hope you will read this and give it some thought.

    I did not mean to imply that voter suppression the only reason people might think voter ID is a good idea.

    My point, perhaps not clearly enough stated, is that the people behind the various voter ID movements are motivated by voter suppression. They try (and are often successful) to convince others that these laws are needed for other reasons. Some people become convinced by the phony reasons they give.

    If you are unaware of the history behind these movements, it is worth looking into. They have spent decades building mistrust in the voting system focused on something that is incredibly rare.

  • wimwim
    edited April 16

    No problem @espiegel123. I’m aware of all you’ve said and find it a bit condescending that you would assume I may not be. But I understand your motivations are sincere.

  • edited April 16

    @espiegel123 said:
    If you are unaware of the history behind these movements, it is worth looking into. They have spent decades building mistrust in the voting system focused on something that is incredibly rare.

    I guess the upside of having a voter-ID system is that once it is in place people like Trump can't say the election was "stolen" by fake voters.

    I'm just amazed that so many people don't vote in the US elections.

    You have to vote in the Australian elections. But, we hold election day on a Saturday and you can vote several days in advance if you are working on the Saturday.

  • I try to vote early and often to make up for some of the slackers out there.

  • @Simon said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    If you are unaware of the history behind these movements, it is worth looking into. They have spent decades building mistrust in the voting system focused on something that is incredibly rare.

    I guess the upside of having a voter-ID system is that once it is in place people like Trump can't say the election was "stolen" by fake voters.

    I'm just amazed that so many people don't vote in the US elections.

    You have to vote in the Australian elections. But, we hold election day on a Saturday and you can vote several days in advance if you are working on the Saturday.

    It’s sad to see voters not participating, as it took countless lives and many years to gain franchise, do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

  • @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

  • @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    That’s a shame.

  • @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    Can you write-in someone?

  • @wim said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    Can you write-in someone?

    No. That would make the vote invalid. We call it a "donkey vote".

  • @Simon said:

    @wim said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    Can you write-in someone?

    No. That would make the vote invalid. We call it a "donkey vote".

    Is there a penalty for an invalid vote?

  • @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    @wim said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    Can you write-in someone?

    No. That would make the vote invalid. We call it a "donkey vote".

    Is there a penalty for an invalid vote?

    Voting is secret. Nobody would know, so nobody gets fined.

    You only get fined if you don't show up to vote.

  • @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    @wim said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    Can you write-in someone?

    No. That would make the vote invalid. We call it a "donkey vote".

    Is there a penalty for an invalid vote?

    Voting is secret. Nobody would know, so nobody gets fined.

    You only get fined if you don't show up to vote.

    I see, so in a round-about way you can vote for no candidate.

  • edited April 17

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    @wim said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    Can you write-in someone?

    No. That would make the vote invalid. We call it a "donkey vote".

    Is there a penalty for an invalid vote?

    Voting is secret. Nobody would know, so nobody gets fined.

    You only get fined if you don't show up to vote.

    I see, so in a round-about way you can vote for no candidate.

    No, you can't vote for "no candidate". Your incomplete vote is not counted.

    They don't say "we had xxx votes for 'no candidate'".

  • @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    @wim said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    Can you write-in someone?

    No. That would make the vote invalid. We call it a "donkey vote".

    Is there a penalty for an invalid vote?

    Voting is secret. Nobody would know, so nobody gets fined.

    You only get fined if you don't show up to vote.

    I see, so in a round-about way you can vote for no candidate.

    No, you can't vote for "no candidate". Your incomplete vote is not counted.

    They don't say "we had xxx votes for 'no candidate'".

    No won’t they be a spoiled vote, but still in effect a vote for no one.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    @wim said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    Can you write-in someone?

    No. That would make the vote invalid. We call it a "donkey vote".

    Is there a penalty for an invalid vote?

    Voting is secret. Nobody would know, so nobody gets fined.

    You only get fined if you don't show up to vote.

    I see, so in a round-about way you can vote for no candidate.

    No, you can't vote for "no candidate". Your incomplete vote is not counted.

    They don't say "we had xxx votes for 'no candidate'".

    No won’t they be a spoiled vote, but still in effect a vote for no one.

    The Australian Electoral Commission does not record it as "a vote for no-one", because there is no such thing as "a vote for no-one".

    There are valid votes and invalid votes.

    It is not recorded as "I don't like anyone standing so I'm protesting by voting for none of them".

    It is just another faulty vote where a voter has filled out the voting slip incorrectly for whatever reason. They don't record the nature of the incorrect attempt at voting. They do record the number of votes that are faulty.

  • Here it is:

    The Social Security Administration is following DOGE recommendations & effective Jan. 1st 2026 will require that benefit recipients must have a REAL ID.

    I think I will make this deadline but only because I’m finally starting to collect the required documentation to get a Real ID.
    The impact will be that I will physically need to go to the SSA Office near me… yet another hurtle to maintaining my fixed retirement income.

    Millions will be considered out of compliance and potentially “disappeared” from the SSA system. I’m sure it will save money
    and shore up the finances of the system to reduce the eligibility by a large margin of the currently covered population.

    It’s insane that they want to do this before the critical midterm elections. I could see 2027 but NOT 2026. They are only going to drive millions of elderly into the hands of the opposition.

  • @McD said:
    Here it is:

    The Social Security Administration is following DOGE recommendations & effective Jan. 1st 2026 will require that benefit recipients must have a REAL ID.

    I think I will make this deadline but only because I’m finally starting to collect the required documentation to get a Real ID.
    The impact will be that I will physically need to go to the SSA Office near me… yet another hurtle to maintaining my fixed retirement income.

    Millions will be considered out of compliance and potentially “disappeared” from the SSA system. I’m sure it will save money
    and shore up the finances of the system to reduce the eligibility by a large margin of the currently covered population.

    It’s insane that they want to do this before the critical midterm elections. I could see 2027 but NOT 2026. They are only going to drive millions of elderly into the hands of the opposition.

    My Passport arrived today si I think I have an essential document to get the required Real ID. The Passports cost about $400 for 2. Not a trivial amount just to continue benefitting from government services like Social Security, access to commercial flights,
    government building access (I did a turn on a Federal Grand Jury that ended abruptly when Covid struck and everyone was locked down.

  • @McD said:
    My Passport arrived today si I think I have an essential document to get the required Real ID. The Passports cost about $400 for 2. Not a trivial amount just to continue benefitting from government services like Social Security, access to commercial flights,
    government building access

    You need a passport to get social security? Won't they accept something like a driver's license with a photo as ID?

  • @wim said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    Can you write-in someone?

    We just had our Federal Election last weekend.

    It was a total wipe out for the conservatives - even their leader lost his seat after 25 years.

    Nationally 749,809 informal votes have been counted, which equates to 5.27 per cent of the voter turnout. That is a huge number - I had no idea it was so large.

  • @Simon said:

    @wim said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    Can you write-in someone?

    We just had our Federal Election last weekend.

    It was a total wipe out for the conservatives - even their leader lost his seat after 25 years.

    Nationally 749,809 informal votes have been counted, which equates to 5.27 per cent of the voter turnout. That is a huge number - I had no idea it was so large.

    The Trump effect. :D :D :D

  • McDMcD
    edited May 13

    @knewspeak said:

    @Simon said:

    @wim said:

    @Simon said:

    @knewspeak said:
    do you have the option to register a vote for none of the candidates @Simon.

    No.

    Can you write-in someone?

    We just had our Federal Election last weekend.

    It was a total wipe out for the conservatives - even their leader lost his seat after 25 years.

    Nationally 749,809 informal votes have been counted, which equates to 5.27 per cent of the voter turnout. That is a huge number - I had no idea it was so large.

    The Trump effect. :D :D :D

    Too bad the benefits of BREXIT didn’t sink in on the US Voters since in the end all regimes are evaluated on economic benefits
    by historians. Did Marx help the Russians economically over the long haul? True believers in the concepts of equality and fairness may overlooking the excesses of Stalin… the Ukrainians certainly cannot and never will just fall under the rules of
    Moscow without generational resistance.

    Trumps bailed on his Tariff Math today and settled on the standard 10% tariff for trade with China. Let’s see if the container ship numbers crank back up to something close to the numbers of a year ago sometime this year or next. I suspect countries will reroute around the US and find a way to game Trump’s system hoping to wait him out before paying extra fees… It’s a form of sales tax hidden in the cost of goods on the retail shelf.

    In our little forum the impact on Behringer will be obvious over the duration of this tariff scheme.

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