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iMPC Pro Disscussion
Hello. Many people on this forum have sung the praises of the iMPC Pro. I know it's a classic simulation of one of the greatest sampler drum machines of all time, and it has been used on countless records.
I've never used a real one and I was wondering why people love it so much and how they incorporate it into their iOS workflow. What makes it so special? Thanks!
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To me, I personaly dont care as much about the pixels as the performance, meaning mpc is just a graphic.
For me, i like how quickly i can get sounds in and out of pads and its reasonable resource demand.
The cats meow would be if drumperfect and iMPC pro got together and had a multisampled baby that plays with controllers.
forgetting altogether that it is even called an mpc.
there is no other drumsampler/beatmachine on iOS that has such an evolved workflow as this one, the fx, the sequencer, the sample editing, and the piano roll come together in a way that no other app has matched yet, they've really made workflow a special feature in itself. on top of that there are several game changing features that make it the best iOS beatmachine for sample based music. only one of which is the you can have different mixer, fx, and automation settings for each and every sequence, with this feature alone you can make one sequence sound like a hundred totally different sequences.
in addition to that as an application it's one of the best glitching and sample mangling apps out there and that's without having to run it through audio bus or iaa into other fx apps, but of course doing that is fun as well. there are work arounds for ab and iaa works seamlessly.
Mmmm, not too many that I have seen. I even went so far as to delete it from my ipad as it only angered me that I wasted money on something that would not work as claimed!
Trying not to be cynical about the OP, but there isnt a multitude of people singing the praises of Impc-pro (on here). Its a decent stab at mpc worfkflow, but its not even on the bus (so why ask here?) and not in a finished product state yet. If you're for real then head over mpc-forums and ask for a comparison over there between real mpc's and imp-pro.
i have the mpc element and it works great with it. Granted, there are some features missing but it still quite usable. U can resample sounds processed by interapp audio as much as you want. Usuable in a live setting too. If I wanna do complex sound mangling, I'll stick with ableton live but there's plenty to do here with some imagination and using what's at disposal to the max.
It's not AB compatible which for me makes the workflow user-unfriendly, various missing features and bugs, and worst of all I'm noticing timing and sequencing issues when building up tracks. It's the next app to be deleted when I need to clear some disk space.
@monzo said:
It's the next app to be deleted when I need to clear some disk space.
@JohnnyGoodyear said:
Played with it for days trying to figure out what to do with it, loved the sounds, too much work in doing anything other than playing with it and I never worked it into anything. I ended up removing it about 10 removals ago. I don't do techno and stuff its really good out, just record old Guitar and Pop stuff, mostly backing tracks now so I really have no need what it does best. Still loved the sounds.
This thread is a great example of the internet going haywire
i say that affectionately.
first of all stop calling it an mpc that's the incorrect comparison (no matter what retronyms says)
secondly start calling it an iOS drumsampler and I dare you to compare it to any other.
it's ridiculously and easily the best drum sampler iOS have ever produced, the best workflow, and the most fun…. I'm talking about for sample heads, who do allot of sampling, chopping, and sequencing of those patterns…. for that intended purpose there is nothing that comes even close besides beatmaker 2, which is a disaster for sample based beatmaking workflows… or imaschine which I'm sure is a curse word in most modern languages.
if any other beatmachine on iOS could do what impc pro can do people would be falling all over themselves. the problem with this app is that mpc users understandably want to be able to take their songs from this app and load them up into their mpcs and this app can not do that (even though it was a listed feature that the company promised would carry over.
also there are problems with the app and core audio, but if you're not using a special iOS sound card and you are sampling music out of your iTunes library like in bm2, or you've loaded your sample library into the app there is no other app that does sample based production in a 25 mile radius of what this app does. I have 3 hardware mpcs and this app can do some things that they can't, would I like retronyms to honor their promises well yes I would but as someone who loves the sampling art form as much as I love synthesis it would just be silly for me to deny how dope a sampling beatmachine this is.
@monzo , I haven't had any of the timing issues you've had and I'm on an iPad 3 os 7
my iPad only struggles when I over tax it being the ip3 weakling that it is.
I'm completely objective when it comes to sampling cause I love it so much and it's funny to hear people bash it while at the same time people are melting over those poor excuses for what would be called a sampler in the korg gadget, just because of audiobus.
I think what it is is that there is no love lost for retronyms and I understand that but man you still gotta give credit where credit is do.
I didn't realize that people are really divided on their opinions of the app.
@kobamoto said:
When I hear of a new app I do 3 things: first I read the feedback on the App Store, then check to see if there are any videos available (thanks for those Doug) and then a general web search.
This site is very well indexed, and comes high in the results so comments on here play a big role in whether I decide to buy or not.
The reason I posted in this thread was not to 'bash' the app, any more than your comments cover it with lavish praise. But as the thread begins with the assumption that we all love it, I thought I'd add some balance from someone who doesn't.
I'm on an iPad 2, maybe that's why I'm having more timing issues than you are, though I have seen this reported elsewhere, including on the AppStore. But I don't love the app and it's one of the very few purchases I regret, so my comments are as valid as those from its fans.
I've whittled down my collection of music apps to those that are fast, easy, stable, and do what I want in the most efficient way possible. iMPC did not made the cut.
I don't like participating in these kinds of threads, but I feel like I need to chime in to balance things. Further, although the following is true for software in general, it is most especially true for Retronyms apps: buy it expecting to use it "as is," even if a feature has been promised. Otherwise, you will be setting yourself up for disappointment.
never said your comments weren't valid, I've always been interested in your comments about the app as I think you know already. I just find that there is less of a realistic conversation being held around this app in particular and as a sample fiend I just think there needs to be some balance… if this app came out today, and it didn't have the letters mpc on it and it had the same features it does have, not the features you've heard me endlessly complaining about that it doesn't have, but the ones that it does have… and it wasn't made by retronyms, it would easily be a $30 app!
@kobamoto said:
agree 100%. another example of this issue is my dumba$$ paying for the Gadget samplers assuming that certain things would be done proper! >.<
so if we just talk beatmachines and sampling and talk about what it can do, it's just not possible to not give it it's kudos….
where else are you saving individual mixer, fx, automation states for each sequence?
where else are you able to record a different tempo on each pattern?
where else is the resampling so easy and intuitive?
where else is the ability to sample from iaa so intuitive?
where else can you even find a piano roll that quick to work with samples?
etc… I could go on, but sample heads would give their left arm for these features in korg gadget, beatmaker, mashine or any other app.
@papertiger said:
lol, I know how you feel, I almost payed the whole $50 bucks for only the samplers alone cause I was determined not to buy gadget until there were some samplers in it. the only brand name I give a f about is Kymatica, outside of that I don't care about the title on the box so when someone praises gadgets piano roll and does not think much of the impc pros piano roll it sounds kind of off to me, samplist have never had an piano roll to work with samples as good as this one, maybe FL studio but still it's no where near as intuitive as working the impc piano roll…… and for $12bucks !! and I'm not even the piano roll type, I love sampling, mangling and sequencing, and resampling etc… nothing touches it.
@kobamoto said:
I think this is where we diverge. Yes, it may have these features, but I don't enjoy using the app and wouldn't use a lot of the features you list. Other things are far more important to me.
So, for what it is, yes, it's good, but I guess I don't want to use what it is, so I don't. lol.
^ let's grab a beer
@kobamoto said:
A $30 app that doesn't work properly (for me, and the others that have reported issues) and that was released not working as advertised for nearly a month. Nah, you're still not selling it to me, even if it came with free beer.
I bought the app based on the slick pre-release videos believing I'd found my new go to music making tool. If this had been the case, and if I had faith in the developers to provide proper support and updates for the future then I'd be as vocal in my praise as it's fans are. As it is it ain't, and I don't.
Kinda telling it's still on its introductory sale price 5 months after release....
I know you're watching Retronyms.
midi -sequencing other iOS apps
audio export- seamless loops
core audio
compatibility with other mpcs
loop button in sample editor
individual track export option
next sequence feature (please add 'immediate' trigger capability so that we don't have to wait until the pattern is finished playing to trigger other patterns.
ability to sequence patterns down to the 1 bar length.
@monzo said:
like I said it's because it was dev by them that has created most of it's confusion. those bugs that were in the first version have been fixed, I know cause I was on them about it.
the majority of complaints about this app currently are by those who are not really familiar with what it is , that's why you get all the comparisons with gadget etc… and often at the end of a post people will say that they don't even want to sample. and of course retronyms infamy does not help.
the things you don't like about the app are things I don't like as well but there is still no other sampling beatmachine that excels at what the impc pro does.
@kobamoto said:
I desperately want to get off this merry-go-round but I can't leave it when you put words into my mouth....
Just for the record, I completely disagree with what you think are it's plus points, and I don't like it because it doesn't work reliably on my device, and I hate the non AB workflow.
You're a nice person so don't take any of this personally, but we couldn't be further apart on our feelings and experiences with this app.
I understand monzo no worries, I'm gonna be tussling with retronyms for a while longer so for now I'm stuck on this merry go round, didn't mean to put words in your mouth, and my only point about the 'pluses' that I listed that you don't like is that they don't exist in other apps, so you won't be liking them in other apps either.
What problems exactly with external audio cards? i don't have one for the ipad yet (still waiting for iconnectivity audio 4) but I keeping hearing of problems.
Anyone else out there who has an opinion? I think Matt uses it to cut up samples for Gadget.
@paradiddle said:
retro doesn't really talk about it from what I've seen, but the app isn't working with all the sound cards in a standard fashion, like as if it doesn't use standard core audio, I'm not really sure what the issue is.
@paradiddle said:
I think they are referring to iMPC Pro having problems sampling via external USB audio interfaces. I had problems sampling from my portable turntables into iMPC Pro using the Griffin iMic but had success using the Behringer UCA-222.