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ZENOLOGY GX Synthesizer by Roland Corporation (Released on iOS)

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  • @Robin2 said:

    @Samu said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @Robin2 said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats, it would be good if the Initial Tone preset had its own dedicated button so you could get there immediately when wanting to design a patch.

    It looks like you will be selling the preset/tone packs in addition to the lifetime unlock (and presumably the subscription gives access to all packs)? If this is the case, can I ask whether all packs are going to be installed regardless of whether you’ve purchased them or not? In other words, if you only want a few packs, will that reduce the install size?

    Will be very interested to see the Pro Edit mode you mentioned you’re still working on. Currently, it sounds good but, if I’m honest, I’m not blown away by its capabilities so far - hopefully the Pro Edit mode is going to allow much more in depth sound design?

    Edit: Agree with others about the general low volume.

    @Robin2 said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats, it would be good if the Initial Tone preset had its own dedicated button so you could get there immediately when wanting to design a patch.

    It looks like you will be selling the preset/tone packs in addition to the lifetime unlock (and presumably the subscription gives access to all packs)? If this is the case, can I ask whether all packs are going to be installed regardless of whether you’ve purchased them or not? In other words, if you only want a few packs, will that reduce the install size?

    Will be very interested to see the Pro Edit mode you mentioned you’re still working on. Currently, it sounds good but, if I’m honest, I’m not blown away by its capabilities so far - hopefully the Pro Edit mode is going to allow much more in depth sound design?

    Edit: Agree with others about the general low volume.

    Could you provide some preset examples of ones that you are experiencing volume issues on?

    • As for packs and installations. Right now we are shipping the same library that is included with our desktop ZENOLOGY PRO. We'll be enabling the ability to download more packs in the future. I agree users should have the ability to pick and choose what packs are installed. The entire compatible library is huge with over 11k sounds. More info on that later.

    • Pro Edit is also coming along with the AU release👍

    It’s not a case of particular presets as such, the general volume of all presets is lower than other synths tend to be. As such, naturally quieter presets (such as Winger Clav) are very, very quiet. Presets which are naturally louder (containing distortion for example) are acceptable but given that I’ve had to set my iPad volume at maximum (which normally is not required), they should be extremely loud which is not the case.

    Worth to note is that when using the iPad built-in speakers CoreAudio sometimes triggers the built-in limiter (on 'hot' signals) which makes things a quieter just to rise up slowly again when the level gets lower.

    I've not noticed any severe level issues when using an external audio-interface.

    Yeah, I’ve certainly encountered that happening in other apps but it doesn’t seem to be the case here; unless, that is, everything is constantly triggering the built in system limiter and it never gets the chance to rise up slowly again.

    Question for those having issues with low volume. Are you using the on-screen keys or a MIDI controller?

  • On screen keyboard

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Samu said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @Robin2 said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats, it would be good if the Initial Tone preset had its own dedicated button so you could get there immediately when wanting to design a patch.

    It looks like you will be selling the preset/tone packs in addition to the lifetime unlock (and presumably the subscription gives access to all packs)? If this is the case, can I ask whether all packs are going to be installed regardless of whether you’ve purchased them or not? In other words, if you only want a few packs, will that reduce the install size?

    Will be very interested to see the Pro Edit mode you mentioned you’re still working on. Currently, it sounds good but, if I’m honest, I’m not blown away by its capabilities so far - hopefully the Pro Edit mode is going to allow much more in depth sound design?

    Edit: Agree with others about the general low volume.

    @Robin2 said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats, it would be good if the Initial Tone preset had its own dedicated button so you could get there immediately when wanting to design a patch.

    It looks like you will be selling the preset/tone packs in addition to the lifetime unlock (and presumably the subscription gives access to all packs)? If this is the case, can I ask whether all packs are going to be installed regardless of whether you’ve purchased them or not? In other words, if you only want a few packs, will that reduce the install size?

    Will be very interested to see the Pro Edit mode you mentioned you’re still working on. Currently, it sounds good but, if I’m honest, I’m not blown away by its capabilities so far - hopefully the Pro Edit mode is going to allow much more in depth sound design?

    Edit: Agree with others about the general low volume.

    Could you provide some preset examples of ones that you are experiencing volume issues on?

    • As for packs and installations. Right now we are shipping the same library that is included with our desktop ZENOLOGY PRO. We'll be enabling the ability to download more packs in the future. I agree users should have the ability to pick and choose what packs are installed. The entire compatible library is huge with over 11k sounds. More info on that later.

    • Pro Edit is also coming along with the AU release👍

    It’s not a case of particular presets as such, the general volume of all presets is lower than other synths tend to be. As such, naturally quieter presets (such as Winger Clav) are very, very quiet. Presets which are naturally louder (containing distortion for example) are acceptable but given that I’ve had to set my iPad volume at maximum (which normally is not required), they should be extremely loud which is not the case.

    Worth to note is that when using the iPad built-in speakers CoreAudio sometimes triggers the built-in limiter (on 'hot' signals) which makes things a quieter just to rise up slowly again when the level gets lower.

    I've not noticed any severe level issues when using an external audio-interface.

    Yeah, I’ve certainly encountered that happening in other apps but it doesn’t seem to be the case here; unless, that is, everything is constantly triggering the built in system limiter and it never gets the chance to rise up slowly again.

    Question for those having issues with low volume. Are you using the on-screen keys or a MIDI controller?

    On screen.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Samu said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @Robin2 said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats, it would be good if the Initial Tone preset had its own dedicated button so you could get there immediately when wanting to design a patch.

    It looks like you will be selling the preset/tone packs in addition to the lifetime unlock (and presumably the subscription gives access to all packs)? If this is the case, can I ask whether all packs are going to be installed regardless of whether you’ve purchased them or not? In other words, if you only want a few packs, will that reduce the install size?

    Will be very interested to see the Pro Edit mode you mentioned you’re still working on. Currently, it sounds good but, if I’m honest, I’m not blown away by its capabilities so far - hopefully the Pro Edit mode is going to allow much more in depth sound design?

    Edit: Agree with others about the general low volume.

    @Robin2 said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats, it would be good if the Initial Tone preset had its own dedicated button so you could get there immediately when wanting to design a patch.

    It looks like you will be selling the preset/tone packs in addition to the lifetime unlock (and presumably the subscription gives access to all packs)? If this is the case, can I ask whether all packs are going to be installed regardless of whether you’ve purchased them or not? In other words, if you only want a few packs, will that reduce the install size?

    Will be very interested to see the Pro Edit mode you mentioned you’re still working on. Currently, it sounds good but, if I’m honest, I’m not blown away by its capabilities so far - hopefully the Pro Edit mode is going to allow much more in depth sound design?

    Edit: Agree with others about the general low volume.

    Could you provide some preset examples of ones that you are experiencing volume issues on?

    • As for packs and installations. Right now we are shipping the same library that is included with our desktop ZENOLOGY PRO. We'll be enabling the ability to download more packs in the future. I agree users should have the ability to pick and choose what packs are installed. The entire compatible library is huge with over 11k sounds. More info on that later.

    • Pro Edit is also coming along with the AU release👍

    It’s not a case of particular presets as such, the general volume of all presets is lower than other synths tend to be. As such, naturally quieter presets (such as Winger Clav) are very, very quiet. Presets which are naturally louder (containing distortion for example) are acceptable but given that I’ve had to set my iPad volume at maximum (which normally is not required), they should be extremely loud which is not the case.

    Worth to note is that when using the iPad built-in speakers CoreAudio sometimes triggers the built-in limiter (on 'hot' signals) which makes things a quieter just to rise up slowly again when the level gets lower.

    I've not noticed any severe level issues when using an external audio-interface.

    Yeah, I’ve certainly encountered that happening in other apps but it doesn’t seem to be the case here; unless, that is, everything is constantly triggering the built in system limiter and it never gets the chance to rise up slowly again.

    Question for those having issues with low volume. Are you using the on-screen keys or a MIDI controller?

    On-screen.

  • On screen. 😎✌🏼

  • MIDI Controller

  • Both.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @lasselu said:
    I'm curious, @MatthewAtZenbeats, what made you decide to release the synth even though it's not finished?

    Not sure what you mean here. Aside from AU support, (which were actively working on) what else is missing or unfinished?

    For me, no AU support = not finished...

  • @lasselu said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @lasselu said:
    I'm curious, @MatthewAtZenbeats, what made you decide to release the synth even though it's not finished?

    Not sure what you mean here. Aside from AU support, (which were actively working on) what else is missing or unfinished?

    For me, no AU support = not finished...

    Noted✅.

  • Thanks everyone for letting me.> @zAk said:

    MIDI Controller

    @anickt said:
    On screen. 😎✌🏼

    @Halftone said:
    On screen keyboard

    @purpan2 said:
    Both.

    @zAk said:
    MIDI Controller

    Thanks for the feedback. We're looking into it.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:
    Thanks everyone for letting me.> @zAk said:

    MIDI Controller

    @anickt said:
    On screen. 😎✌🏼

    @Halftone said:
    On screen keyboard

    @purpan2 said:
    Both.

    @zAk said:
    MIDI Controller

    Thanks for the feedback. We're looking into it.

    Regarding the on-screen keyboard in the stand-alone app it could be a good idea to add some margin at the lower portion of the screen to avoid clashing with the 'iPadOS widgets' when using 'Windowed Mode' or 'Stage Manager'. In one-app-mode or an external keyboard this is not an issue.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats Can you do Bluetooth midi in currently on the standalone ?

  • I really like the design, UI, sounds, especially acu/elc bass are amazing. The question is going to be the price.

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats Can you do Bluetooth midi in currently on the standalone ?

    Works fine with Bluetooth midi with the Nanokey Studio.

  • Has anyone else noticed strange behaviour from the onscreen keyboard? It seems like vertical position controls velocity (top quiet, bottom loud), but, tapping right near the bottom sounds a blip not a held note?

  • @MadGav said:
    Has anyone else noticed strange behaviour from the onscreen keyboard? It seems like vertical position controls velocity (top quiet, bottom loud), but, tapping right near the bottom sounds a blip not a held note?

    iPad 7, iPad OS 26

  • Lovi it but still just a toy without AUv3, but i'm guessing that will come as soon as it goes subscribtion or purchase.

  • I just want to note that it really is a fantastic sounding synth. A vast range of classic Roland sounds - editable - on an iPad. Astonishing, really.

  • @Kloon said:
    Lovi it but still just a toy without AUv3, but i'm guessing that will come as soon as it goes subscribtion or purchase.

    It will come during the free trial period.

  • Tried it..
    sorry, but this is true trash. Huge library of presets, but there's no actual meat in the app and sounds themselves.
    Just cheap and thin sounding rompler sounds we've been able to get on ipad for free anyway..
    And there are way better options for VA.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Samu said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @Robin2 said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats, it would be good if the Initial Tone preset had its own dedicated button so you could get there immediately when wanting to design a patch.

    It looks like you will be selling the preset/tone packs in addition to the lifetime unlock (and presumably the subscription gives access to all packs)? If this is the case, can I ask whether all packs are going to be installed regardless of whether you’ve purchased them or not? In other words, if you only want a few packs, will that reduce the install size?

    Will be very interested to see the Pro Edit mode you mentioned you’re still working on. Currently, it sounds good but, if I’m honest, I’m not blown away by its capabilities so far - hopefully the Pro Edit mode is going to allow much more in depth sound design?

    Edit: Agree with others about the general low volume.

    @Robin2 said:
    @MatthewAtZenbeats, it would be good if the Initial Tone preset had its own dedicated button so you could get there immediately when wanting to design a patch.

    It looks like you will be selling the preset/tone packs in addition to the lifetime unlock (and presumably the subscription gives access to all packs)? If this is the case, can I ask whether all packs are going to be installed regardless of whether you’ve purchased them or not? In other words, if you only want a few packs, will that reduce the install size?

    Will be very interested to see the Pro Edit mode you mentioned you’re still working on. Currently, it sounds good but, if I’m honest, I’m not blown away by its capabilities so far - hopefully the Pro Edit mode is going to allow much more in depth sound design?

    Edit: Agree with others about the general low volume.

    Could you provide some preset examples of ones that you are experiencing volume issues on?

    • As for packs and installations. Right now we are shipping the same library that is included with our desktop ZENOLOGY PRO. We'll be enabling the ability to download more packs in the future. I agree users should have the ability to pick and choose what packs are installed. The entire compatible library is huge with over 11k sounds. More info on that later.

    • Pro Edit is also coming along with the AU release👍

    It’s not a case of particular presets as such, the general volume of all presets is lower than other synths tend to be. As such, naturally quieter presets (such as Winger Clav) are very, very quiet. Presets which are naturally louder (containing distortion for example) are acceptable but given that I’ve had to set my iPad volume at maximum (which normally is not required), they should be extremely loud which is not the case.

    Worth to note is that when using the iPad built-in speakers CoreAudio sometimes triggers the built-in limiter (on 'hot' signals) which makes things a quieter just to rise up slowly again when the level gets lower.

    I've not noticed any severe level issues when using an external audio-interface.

    Yeah, I’ve certainly encountered that happening in other apps but it doesn’t seem to be the case here; unless, that is, everything is constantly triggering the built in system limiter and it never gets the chance to rise up slowly again.

    Question for those having issues with low volume. Are you using the on-screen keys or a MIDI controller?

    On screen.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats It's going to be really interesting to follow how this translates to AUv3 with scalable UIs as not many AUv3 hosts provide full-screen or windowed views for plug-ins.

    Things are pretty small as they are already so scaling down the UI to squeeze it into a viewport dictated by the host would mean it's time to pick up the magnifying glass (ie. if possible increasing the font-sizes in the settings one notch could be handy, I'm on a 11" M1 iPadPro).

    One option is naturally to keep the AUv3 as a 'Preset Browser' with the 'Macro Knobs' and do the editing in the stand-alone app?

    Also squeezing a bit more vertical space the Global panel could be toggled on/off in a similar way as the piano-keys can already be toggled on/off.

    Another option ifor the AUv3 s to alway maximize the plug-in for horizontal width and if it doesn't fit vertically allow pan/scroll?

    Even though I don't have 'Fat Fingers' the Apple Pencil is almost a must-have which leads me to one 'issues' that could be corrected.

    When browsing/scrolling the presets the preset under the finger/pencil-tip is NOT auto-selected making scrolling easier...
    ...on the other hand when scrolling the PCM waveforms list the waveform under the finger IS ALWAYS selected making it close to impossible to scroll the waveform list without changing the waveform used by the preset unless the scrollbar is used?!

    The handle in the PCM waveform browser could be made a bit wider as it's a hit/miss when trying to grab'n'move it.

    I get Rolands way of defining parameter-ranges as 0-1024 but for time-related parameters ms, Hz etc would make more sense?
    (What value should I pick if I want a 2 second fade-in for the LFO or if I would need a 6Hz LFO? Sure I can approximate this by ear but still).

    I'll keep an eye on the upadates and I do hope some of the UI refinements find their way into ZenBeats as well :sunglasses:

    Cheers!

  • re auv3 small size, I just got cherry audio GX-80 (on sale at mo for £27.99). It has a zoom feature that splits it into 4 sections with x and y scroll bars, effectively making each view 4 x as big. Would something like this (could use 2 finger scrolling instead of the xy bars) be relatively easy to implement inside auv3 window? Would solve being able to read things on a small screen. _0_/

  • Pretty cool to export presets and load the SVZ file into Zenbeats! Some of them sound slightly different, but so far most work well…

  • It is really, really unfortunate that more of the JD800 sounds, like Fantasia 90s and Bruiser Tines, aren't in there. I would have to hope that they'd be in future packs.

  • edited May 14

    I believe the low volume level on some patches may be at least partly due to velocity settings. I noticed some patches were significantly louder with the seq/arp turned on and set to fixed velocity.

    I then adjusted velocity sensitivity for the envelopes per partial until it was more in line with the output I was getting with the arp on fixed velocity. There appears to be no global fixed velocity button for patches like in the arp section, so it has to be adjusted per partial when playing the keyboard.

    I only tried with the on-screen keyboard, but I pretty sure it would be the same with a midi controller.

    EDIT: you can link the 4 partials to quickly adjust/remove the velocity setting for all the partials at once.

  • Is it possible to transfer Zenology patches onto MC101 / MC707 etc? And if so, is there a simple tutorial anywhere?

  • edited May 15

    @pigdog237 said:
    Is it possible to transfer Zenology patches onto MC101 / MC707 etc? And if so, is there a simple tutorial anywhere?

    You should be able to, I think, in theory, but it didn’t work for me with the MC101.

    Edit: I was indeed doing something wrong - I put the file in the wrong sub-folder on the MC101 card. It works very well now.

  • @purpan2 said:

    @pigdog237 said:
    Is it possible to transfer Zenology patches onto MC101 / MC707 etc? And if so, is there a simple tutorial anywhere?

    You should be able to, I think, in theory, but it didn’t work for me with the MC101.

    That's not good.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I wish I had my old Fostex 8 track tape machine to record this on to, but otherwise and otherwise what/where are folks using this with on the iPad? Sorry if this has been asked and answered many times already....

    I picked up an Akai MPC Sample last week. I'm gonna test out using Zeneology GX as a sound module (for now). Also gonna mess around with using the Reel 4-Track app. on my iphone while using ZGX as a sound source.

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