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Brilliant. Thanks. I will study the .nsp intently. (Seriously, I will!).
Got a question: can NanoStudio sample it's main master output internally? (I know it can resample a pad). Or do you have to go out to Audioshare or whatever and then back in again?
And an observation: Egoist makes a great companion to Nanostudio. Noodle away in Egoist to a beat. Copy and paste slicer patterns to NS. Repeat.
Then put it all together with synths added in NS.
Right now I'm gonna see if I can get at the great drum samples in Egoist via iFunbox (and how they are labelled). Otherwise I'll just have to sample the drums one by one into NS.
I cant answer the question as I have never used Gadget - and I am a confirmed user of Nanostudio. I found out about Nanostudio in 2011, downloaded the PC edition, then got the iPod touch to run it. But as to which is best? It depends on so much. I don't think even in the hardware synth world the question of "what is best" was ever answered really - is/was Korg better than Roland or Yamaha or Nord or EMS..... and so on.
At the end of the day these are tools to make music - "real" musicians will make good music out of anything - just some tools suit certain musical styles and methods more than others.
At the end of the day find a tool that makes sense to you - be in NanoStudio, Cubasis, Xenon, Auria, whatever - and learn to use that. So long as you can capture audio from other apps (or real world sound sources) that take your fancy then you have pretty much limitless potential. Its the workflow that might help or hinder.
All my tracks on SoundCloud (for what they are worth https://soundcloud.com/acollectionofnotes ) have been done totally in Nanostudio. Other apps might produce some sounds which then are played or manipulated in Nanostudio - but ultimately it's Nanostudio that holds them together.
The other thing to note about Nanostudio is it's old! Released in July 2010 I think - and in my time using it there have been only 2 or 3 major changes. First the move to 16 tracks, flexible TRG/Eden tracks, track insert effects, etc, then the native iPad version, and at some point supporting Audiobus. The Eden synth itself (along with the workflow) hasn't changed that much from version 1.13 (where I came in) to 1.44 (where we are now). And it's still usable, and (to my ears) has a personality of it's own. Not bad for a 4year old bit of coding!
By 2p worth.
Well, when you resample, it's doing exactly that: resampling the master output. You can do that via TRG pad or Eden but it's resampling the whole shebang, not that one source. You can mute tracks if you want to only resample a particular instrument or set of instruments.
Here's something that can make manual chopping (of say, egoist drum sounds) a little easier in NS (though it still sorta sucks when compared to beatmaker or something). Record a bar from Egoist with all of the sounds you want, spaced out enough to chop. Either record it via AB or copy/paste that sample into NS and assign it to a TRG pad. Copy the pad to as many pads as you'll need in the end and say yes when it asks you if you want to make a copy of the sample. Then, go and edit each pad, using the trim feature to carve out the bit you want and hit save and 'yes, overwrite'. Again, not the best flow but certainly faster than sampling 20 drum hits via Audiobus!
Thanks for the .nsp syrupcore. Have studied a bit. It's genius.
For that rewind effect you:
Fantastic.
I'm so gonna steal that idea
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Just listened to your second track too. Lovely and haunting.
Thanks for the drum sampling hint. I was going to do something like that actually, but I have found 4 folders of drum samples in Egoists app folder which I've just imported en mass into NS.
Not sure if Egoist tweaking that sample set to make its drum kits. Probably because they don't map to the kit names in the app.
But I might just pick some drums from there.
Wow, very kind Matt! Steal away.
PS. I ripped some DM1 and Funkbox kits into NS with the above method. A little tedious but nice when it's finished. The copy pad thing added in 1.3 makes it a lot easier so you don't have to deal with 'save as' and finding your folder over and over and over.
@syrupcore, wow Dubillion, chillin, love that bass, juxta 'guitar', totally different feel, nice work.
Actually scratch that. Those drums are whole drum loops as factory content for Egoist's slicer. Not sure where the sounds for the Egoist drums are kept.
Only problem with that copy and paste pads trick is that you can't appear to rename the pads. So they all have to have the same name + 1 or + 2 etc.
Or am I missing something?
sorry, that's right. Better to say no to sample copy and then edit each pad, do a 'save as' and rename as needed.
Thank you @knewspeak.
@syrupcore the lunchbreak dub is fine stuff. As Matt mentioned, unbelievably restrained. Very cool. And thanks for sharing the file; will learn a lot about NS no doubt when life quietens down and there's time to be studious. Penciled it in for January,
As for Dubillion, more of the same high quality. Really want to hear a slowed down Billie-on-a-horse lost and singing some as yet (in her time) Lover's Rock over this. Gawd bless you for not spraying it with Vox samples, but if you ever find the NSP file I'm not certain I'd be able to be as restrained. Good work Mister Syrup.
Thanks very much, Johnny. I did export an NSP tonight but it was 22 megs and I couldn't figure out a way to put it into dropbox without using Nanosync/Computer. I'll deal with the computer if you think you have any "Billie-on-a-horse lost and singing some as yet (in her time) Lover's Rock over this." in you because... wow, what a vision.
@Kitejan is of course completely right. There is no objective 'better' between Gadget and NS.
It of course depends on how you use them and what you get from them. And personal preference.
But it's sometimes fun to discuss the relative merits head to head to aid understanding of both apps learn about how people use them.
That .NSP from @Syrupcore opened my eyes to some serious new possibilities in terms of re-sampling in NS. Thanks again.
Another thing is the way you are using the FX modules, @Syrupcore. All very new to me. I see you often double up compressors (2 compressors in one chain?) and I like the way you're completely knocking out the treble on the main Send Delay (which is actually something like chorus > delay > compressor > EQ to kill all treble ). It sounds.... damn dubby when you trigger it! The other send FX chain is a more subtle delay I believe.
FX chaining is something I need to learn more about definitely.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 While I am usually the kid at the back of the class planning my general revenge, half asleep, or dreaming of girls, your studiousness inspires and frightens me in about equal measure.
@syrupcore I don't want to put you to too much trouble (or any, really), and while I had a long ago history with horse myself and know its tired don't-care rhythm all too well, I'm not sure I can channel Ms. Holiday, but dammit I'd like to see where it'd take me (the tune, not the junk).
Oh... that kind of horse. Sorry, I wasn't keeping up.
I'm more scrabbling around in the dark than 'studying' when it comes to FX (the serious stuff like EQs, compressors, chains of FX etc...). I know it's important stuff that I need to master though.
On that note, does a Send Effect act differently to an Insert Effect? I.e. an Insert Effect effects the entire channel's sound, whereas a Send Effect gets a portion of the channels sound sent to it (if you only turn the send knob half way) and the rest of that channel's sound gets through untouched?
Or am I getting confused?
I'm wondering why the treble kill on Syrupcore's dub delay only seems to effect the delay tail and not the notes as they are actually played? Or maybe i'm wrong.
(I know I could read up on this stuff - but it's always about 100 times quicker and more understandable learning from the great and generous people on this forum!)
Nice sound @syrupcore...love how unforced it sounded.
Matt - the insert is part of the track, while a send can be shared across tracks.
Thanks @funjunkie. Yes I understood that. But there's no other difference other than that?
I guess in both case you can decide how much dry signal to let through vs how much wet signal?
That's the only difference that I'm aware of, and I believe you're correct with the dry/wet comment.
Cool. Thanks.
Sorry, I was getting a bit confused I think.
Actually, I found this which is very useful on the reasons why you'd use insert vs send effects (and also pre faders):
http://forums.blipinteractive.co.uk/node/1876
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said
Usually because I want a certain amount of smooshing but I don't want one compressor to work too hard. You can also play with attack/decay a little bit when you have two stacked. Like, the first can have a longer attack so that that the initial hits come through pretty well intact and the second can roll those off a bit and even the over all volume.
Another reason is to sort of simulate a limiter. You set the first one to reasonable compressor like settings for the track and then you set the second to have full smack down ratio but set the threshold really high (if the signal after the first compressor is still to hot, smash it down).
In those dub tunes, it was mostly just experimenting to come up with something that resembled hitting an actual tape echo with a really hot signal (where tape automatically compressors because there is literally too much signal for them little tape molecules to handle).
For sure, the order of effects in a chain can really alter the sound. NS makes experimenting with this easy—just drag the modules around on the lower effects bar. You can also (why doesn't everyone do this?) load and save effects chains in NS so when you get something good, save it and use it as a starting point again later.
Sounds like you have this sorted. I'll add that a tape echo generally loses high frequency information on each repeat because again, molecules and science. So I rolled the highs off to simulate that. It's one of those things that make delays wonderful and it's why you see low pass filters in Echo Pad and AUFX:Dub. It has the historically accidental bonus of pushing the echoes into the background a bit while you continue to play over top of them.
@funjunkie27 Thank you!
@johnnygoodyear, thank you for sharing that and an NSP is coming your way. I think I can gut it a bit to make it smaller (unused samples...). You can, of course, download the 2mix into Auria and lazy phrase the day away.
OK for anyone who wants to poke around someone else's Nanostudio's .NSP files here is a link to some mine:
https://sites.google.com/site/jangilhooley/mymusic
All the .NSP to the "Experiments" album are there and can be downloaded and used under a Creative Commons licence. I will do the same thing with "Experiments 2" in due course.
Feel free to ask me any questions (I've tried to put some explanations about each track) - who knows I might be able to remember!
Jan
That. Is. Awesome. @kitejan. Thank you!
@kitejan Very nice. Just imported and listened to /watched the first two .nsps.
Bookmarked!
Well enjoy!
And if you do something interesting I would love to hear it!