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Favorite Amp Sim
I just got Amplitube and like it, but I was wondering what everyone else likes.
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Jamup pro is really nice, I specially like the acoustic pack.
Flying haggis is also really awesome, YouTube it and you'll see what I mean.
Tonestack at 2.99 is a super no-brainer! The motherload seems expensive at 30 bucks but think how much one hardware pedal is going for. A no-brainer!
Bias is #1 for me, but I usually use the amps from it in JamUp, seems to use less CPU that way and JamUp works really well with my Airturn BT pedals. You can "export" the Bias amps from Bias to JamUp and then use the effects in JamUp with them.
You can really customize the sounds in Bias to what you want.
Flying Haggis, Tonestack, BIAS - in that order
Not that keen on Amplitube, although some of the clean sounds are OK. The effects really suck though.
Like most guitarists here, I have just about all of them. Each has at least a few presets I can't dial in with the others. For what I do, ToneStack is getting the most use right now, then Bias, then AmpKit. When I export a Bias Amp to JamUp, it doesn't sound the same to me.
Jamup pro for me please with a side of Bias. I did not really like amplitube to much but the drums were kind of fun to mess with. Flying Haggis is really pretty good too I just really like Jamup pro more is all.
Jamup pro, Flying Haggis and Bias. I sometimes break out Tonestack in the Fx slot for the effects, but I can't yet create/set a manageable noise gate in Tonestack.
Jamup and tonestack. As mentioned, bias is great but the amps once exported to jamup are absolutely different. I'm a bassist, so factor that into my answer as I don't use them often with guitar.
@mrufino1 as a bassist, you may be interested in a hot-rodded Fender Bassman w/8x10 cab I created for my wife ... Just do a search in custom tones for "Jill's Massive Acoustic" and it should come up. Cheers!
^^In Bias, I should add, lol
@mrufino1 said:
Strongly agree. Bias destroys JUP.
@eustressor said:
Will do! Make a real one and I'll be more excited! Although carrying an 8x10 to gigs is not on my wish list. Virtual 8x10's are good though!
I played through a dual showman for a few years on gigs, very cool sound.
Jamup pro all the way. Just downloaded Overloud THM, and I think I like it for what I've messed with.
eustressor, I couldn't agree more about a noise gate in ToneStack. I can't for the life of me figure out how to get a good tone with no noise, it drives me crazy.
I've downloaded all of the Jill's Massive Acoustic's! Good stuff mate.
I don't see a huge difference from Bias to JamUp import. I've got some really mean thrash presets going with Bias and JamUp.
Jill's Massive Acoustics ++
@High5Denied and @JohnnyGoodYear Thanks, I'm glad you like it. Born from teenage memories of my bass player's massive 8x10 cab - that thing was a beast
Checked out these apps and got most of them, thanks guys (got some iTunes money for xmas). What app would be best for recreating that classic overdriven tone you hear in ACDC songs like Back in Black? That's the tone I'm looking for - natural tube overdrive.
Own most of them and wouldn't want to pick just one. Each (or at least most of them) has it's strength and some weakness.
BIAS - perhaps best overall for amps, but it really shines for clean tones. Most other amps force you to get dirty with any reasonable volume but BIAS stays sparkly clean. No fx.
ToneStack - has great effects. The amps/cabinets aren't bad, but not as good as BIAS when played without fx. Also like the dual chain thang.
Flying Haggis - overall pretty good and great to use when I want to keep the CPU/RAM usage to a minimum.
Overloud - also overall good, but I only use it when I want to keep it all in Auria for some reason. I also will use Saturn in Auria. Not a full-on amp sim, but it does an OK job of adding dirt.
Amplitube - after trying the free amps I never bought any of the apps. The Fender doesn't stay clean for long and the Marshall sucked.
Flux:fx - not really an amp sim, but I use it a lot to fck sht up while playing guitar. I put a convo reverb after it (no amp) and it does what it does awesomely.
WOW - another non-amp app that can make the guitar sound great and wtf weird.
If you are going to do actual paying gigs then I would at this time suggest consider buying and using hardware pedals and a real Amp. I have bought almost all these apps including the recent fluxfx but iOS 8 on an iPad is still very unreliable, Audiobus saved states are very inconsistent, Jamup updates sometimes lose your presets, Tonestack doesn't play nice with Audiobus. and they all become unusable for weeks when broken by updates, you should at least have a multi effects pedal as a backup.
I think I would be shocked if I allowed myself to tally how much money I have spent on all these apps, but that is not to say I regret my purchases as I have had tremendous fun learning and putting together the sounds that I love.
I seem to recall Tim Webb saying that he had inside information that iOS 8 would be buggered for a long time and was subsequently shot down, I think he has been proven to be correct,
These are all great apps but they don't always do what they are supposed to do in the pressure situation of a live gig. I am not hating on any of these apps, but my nerves would not get through a gig knowing all the things that can and will go wrong with this software as things currently stand.
There's also Mobile Pod, which does have a few Back in Black presets in the library.
I haven't upgraded to ios 8. anything yet. Live use has been great for me. JamUp still works very well for that. Just can't record into anything via audiobus or IAA.
I really like Overloud after messing with it last night for a few hours. I love that I can add it to guitars I tracked several months ago as well. I got some pretty decent metal tones out of it.
Liked @MrNezumi 's overview there. Agree that Flying Haggis has proved incredibly useful, and it has some of my favorite "vintagey" tones of any app.
Earlier this year, there was talk of JamUp vs. AmpKit+ as to which was the better "total package" suite for amp modeling and effects. That has pretty much gone to the wayside now after ToneStack came out this summer and offered so much content. My head tells me that ToneStack is the best overall package, but my gut still tells me that JamUp (and it's integration into BIAS) are the first package I would recommend to someone who wanted one to use and didn't plan on owning ALL of them. Especially with some of the add-ons this year for additional effects, that filled in some of the gaps. It's also pretty easily the best option for bass players (AmpKit+ being a notable second), and I find it nice to not have to switch apps for bass vs. guitar when I already have the interface set up and everything connected in AudioBus.
THM Overloud is pretty solid, but it's mostly about the convenience. Like Flying Haggis, it will hit most of the basic tones and effects you need, but it's completely contained within Auria. So no IAA or AudioBus to worry about. Unfortunately, I haven't used it much as I deleted Auria temporarily in favor of MTS. My iPad2 doesn't handle it well, but when I upgrade, I plan to go back to Auria some more.
I'll put in a plug for Mobile POD - again, not really on the same playing field as ToneStack or JamUp for pure "value", but just last month, they allowed you to use non-Line6 interfaces with it if you pay 20 bucks for the app. This unlocks all the content, and it's pretty good. The "Marshall" flavored amps are terrific. And you'll read comments on the web about how terrible the FX are, which is still kinda true, except they just did an update that added a free Overdrive pedal (finally), and it's one of my favorite boost pedals in any iOS guitar app.
Any ideas for a solution to the noise gate problem with TS? Also noticed this... Any other non guitar amp sims apps have a noise gate so you could use in input and put TS in fx slot? Could Audioshare record input be used? Can't remember if it has a noise gate. Jamsynth has some adjustments for threshold, ratio, & some others if I remember - would something like that work? I'm just looking for a quick easy solution for today as I don't play guitar very often - but planned on jamming today...
Why not use an amp sim for the noise gate? You can delete everything else, including amp and cab in most of them.
Yeah. If I have to - didn't want to download a large app - but maybe. Which had the smallest file size. I had jamup once - wasn't it around 300mb.
AmpOne and Flying Haggis have the smallest footprint, but I don't think AmpOne has a gate, and I don't think FH allows you to remove the Amp/cab. Mobile Pod should work, and it is ~75M. The rest are >150M.
Here's a saved state with Mobile Pod and ToneStack.
Audiobus preset 'Gated Tonestack': http://preset.audiob.us/STyZRSttizB8SUk
Thanks. Wasn't that familiar with MobilePod..
@funjunkie27 said:
This is cool. Maybe it will make High gain tones usable for me in ToneStack. As of now, anything with heavy distortion I come up with is DOA. Because it is too noisy and annoying,,,,,
I didn't get a chance to plug a guitar in to check it out. I just used the demo riffs in Mobile Pod to verify it was passing audio, along with a random Tonestack preset, so I hope it gets you close enough.
There's a lot of talk about what amp sim is best, which has the best effects, which one has better cleans, high gain, etc. I rarely use an amp sim in isolation; it's more common for me to use it in the Audiobus INPUT slot and pipe the signal into one or two (or more) modules.
First of all, most presets leave little to be desired. Their intent is to showcase the breadth and depth of sonic possibilities. However, these presets rarely offer something usable in recording or performance. Add to this the variability among guitars and pickups, and you've got yourself a fine mess of a starting point.
What's more, once you do get to a fine-tuned tone you're happy with on its own, chances are pretty good it's going to sound worse when you sit it in a mix and start playing along with a bass line, competing keys, a thumping kick and cymbals crashing all around. You need to properly EQ your tone before you start jamming along with Glover, Lord and Paice.
Here are some apps to consider including in your signal chain before you start praising or knocking a particular amp sim:
AUFX PeakQ: Cut the boomy lows and screechy highs with shelf filters, then use one or two frequency peaks to boost or cut a frequency band so it sits in its own midrange. Note that a tone that sounds great in a mix may not sound great on its own (and vise versa).
Holderness Media Stereo Designer: It's incredible how much fuller (read: MONSTROUSLY HUGER) your guitar sounds when you've got it panned left and right with a bit of delay in between versus having a solitary axe sitting dead center.
AltiSpace Convolution Reverb: You can use this app not only to change reverbs but effectively expand you amp cabinet palette. There are tons of third-party impulse response files available that allow you to near-perfectly emulate the sound of almost any cab with any mic at any angle or distance.
Final Touch: You can add a touch of compression to your sound to smooth out the dynamics and clean your overall tone. Never underestimate the power of tasteful compression.
There are other apps that will accomplish the same things; I'm just offering these up as a crossection of what's out there. You don't NEED any or all these apps to get a good tone—in my opinion, some of the amp sims already mentioned have solid out-of-the-box presets—but don't kid yourself into thinking you should start and end there. If you do, you'll be no better than the obnoxious kid at Guitar Center destroying some horrible riff by the latest alt-rock band of the month.
Oh, and if it's AC/DC you're after, I think AmpKit+ is a good place to start. My advice is to go easy on the gain; you need less than you think!
That's a pro post right there @kgmessier. The isolation vs in the mix is so damn true. I know better and still do it/get caught out by it all the time. Also, the using 'more gain than you actually need' thing. How very.