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I have Cubasis already what would Auria do extra for me?
The thread title pretty much sums things up. What can I do with auria the full version with no add ons that I can not already do in Cubasis?
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The fantastic plugins (Fabfilter and PSP) of course ...
If you really insist your question with no add ons, even the included plugins in channelstrip is awesome.
Even the vanilla version of Auria comes with some stellar plugins that are streets ahead of what is available in Cubasis.
Each Channel Strip comes with gate/expander, EQ, and compression plugins created by PSP Audioware, and the busses also have a brick wall limiter (also by PSP). You also get StereoDelay and StereoChorus by PSP, and Convolution Reverb, and ClassicVerb by WML.
So even without buying any extras you get the basic tools for creating a great mix.
Also, the mixer is much better than Cubasis: you have 8 busses that you can route you channels to (so you can have all your drums on one fader, all your guitars on another etc...) and you have two AUX sends for global effects such as reverb, which saves on CPU because you can use just one instance of a plugin over multiple tracks, while still controlling the wet/dry mix on each one.
I keep thinking of more stuff
One thing I really like about the included pulgins, and which has lead me to use them in preference to some of the extra IAP ones, is how light they are on CPU. I used to always default to Pro-Q for example, but then I would have to freeze tracks to free up resources. Now I always try the Channel Strip first, and often it's perfectly adequate which means I don't need to freeze tracks as much (in some cases never) and so my workflow has improved as a result.
hmmm, not very convincing so far but keep trying though. I have about 40 bucks to spend. lol I already have Cubasis so I need some pretty solid reasons to switch. I really like Cubasis effects and have a number of effect slot apps for audiobus already also. Perhaps the subgroups is a plus but do not see myself using it much but who knows. I was considering auria with the video add on given the large update coming to Auria. Just not wanting to part with money for not much result is all.
CPU overload, run out of memory! I can't use it! Wish i could because it is really nice and I spent a bunch on plugins. iPad 4 iOS 7
Wait for the update!!!
The update will make it usable? Right now it's like having an incredibly gorgeous girlfriend who will only let you, look but no touching!
I am leaning towards waiting at this point especially with namm so close to us and the possibility of more new apps being released then.
For me, a big problem is wiring things together, connecting apps, reloading presets, all that crap.
After the update the big selling point is having quality plugins/synth/midi editor all automatable under one roof and not having to mess with Audiobus, MIDI or IAA so much. Even for external synths it should be as simple as reloading one preset.
For one It's going to be very interesting to see how good the Twin2 synth will perform, meaning how many instances and what kind of polyphony we can expect to get on various iPad's. There is also very little info on the 'Sampler', can each sample/pad be routed to it's own mixer-channel? Does it do both MPC-Style and Chromatic playback and will it have support for SoundFonts etc...
I' m also a Cubasis user and thinking about buying Auria. I have read the auria forum and I' m amazed by how open Rim is about features etc. On the cubasis forum all you get is: we put it on our featurelist! That's not saying very much.
One other thing, if I wait, the pro version is 50€ if I buy auria now, it's 25 €. How much do I have to pay to upgrade to pro?
@Tritonman2 I like having both. I suppose from a research perspective the fact that i 'reach' for Auria when I want to record anything, rather than Cubasis (which I had and used first) would be the only evidence that's worth anything, but that's really only based on what suits me and what I find to be most productive.
My instinct, hearing you a little, is that you should hold off for now and see what else grabs your fancy, plenty of things will, no doubt. Let the new version of Auria come out, get debugged, worked out etc. and you will still have the choice. Of course.
If you're not finding any great holes in Cubasis and it supports what you want to do, that's fine. I say all of this because I don't think going into a 'major' purchase with serious doubts is a good investment (financially or psychologically).
For all of that, there's a reason pretty much everyone whose systems can run them soon recognizes that at this stage in the evolving game the Fab Filters are like cars to bicycles.
I agree, other than the plugins at this point I am not hearing much different really. Anyone hear using the video import in auria?
@Egz said:
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@Tritonman2 said:
Well in that case you won't be convinced then
Effects slot apps are nowhere near as convenient as built-in effects, for starters you can use multiple instances of the built-in effects. But really the main thing is that the effects are just much better, maybe it's something you have to hear for yourself, but can you truly say that the reverb in Cubasis is any good? I can't, and I own Cubasis.
If you don't use much in the way of effects or not the least bit picky about mixing, you won't be impressed w/Auria. Insead of Cubasis, I used BeatmakerII, but once a piece is arranged, I drop the tracks in Auria for mixing & processing.
@Tritonman2 said:
Absolutely true but information about coming features is minimal. Auria is at that point far more open.
So, Thomas, that is what I want to know, please explain more about not being picky with mixing? I have plenty of nice sounding effects that do what I want them to do but are there mixing options not available in Cuabasis? I am cringing at the thought of getting used to a new work flow can you tell? lol I almost want to try Auria but I am having a hard time falling off this log. A little voice inside keeps saying do it at the same time another is saying wait.
Hold the show just a minute? Is Auria Audiobus compatible? I was just reading a features list over at Wave Machine Labs and did not see it mentioned?
NEVERMIND I FOUND IT> oops.
@Tritonman2 said:
yes it is, both input and output.
Thanks Richard .
Auria has much better edit functions for arrangement etc.A simple duplicate or loop function (very handy if you work with shorter files) for example and one thing that drives me nuts in Cubasis:I can't switch the quantization completely off,that makes precise trimming of audiofiles impossible.And it's badly needed because i often struggle with flaky Midi timing (not sync,just Midi notes send to other apps) and delayed recordings.See the picture.Playing back the Midi track of Caustic was fine but as soon as i freeze or mixdown the track i have this slight shift.And i'm not able to trim it away because of the quantization.Me and others asked for an improvment since the very beginning but nope...and besides the effect quality,why does Cubasis effects not even have preset management?That is one of the most basic functions,no matter how simple the effects are.
It was a nice ride but i'm pretty much done with Cubasis when Auria Pro arrives.I'm doing electronic music with a focus on tight rythms and the bad timing alone is something i can't stand any longer.I don't quantize everything,i also like to have a"human feel"here and there.But i want to decide when i apply it,not Cubasis ;-)
And there was this awkward cubasis file system,Media Management...
Cubasis has a long way to close the line to Auria Pro now but i'll be happy to stick with Auria.I already purchased so many FX for it,that does pay out even more now with the pro version.And than there is Twin 2 and a Multiformat Sampler coming as well...and the Auria support is so much better.Not saying Steinberg support is bad but WML support is one of the best customer support i've ever seen.SO responsive and you never feel left in the dark.
@Tritonman2 - Have you checked out any Auria and/or Fabfilter videos on YT or elsewhere? They won't do a lot for showing off the audio quality, but you can see workflow and features possibly better than they can be described here.
I have been watching auria vids for sure.
Sorry,forgot to add the picture i mentioned above
Auria and Cubasis are kinda in two different leagues, for a lot of the reason already mentioned. Besides effects, Auria have a automation system that is far ahead of Cubasis. If there's a button, slider or knob anywhere , it can be automated. This automation can be micro edited.
Micro editing also goes for the audio tracks, the detail and zoom level of the waveforms are far, far higher then anything else on iOS, including Cubasis. If you don't need that high level of control over the audio material, Cubasis will do just fine.
Edit: Btw, I'm a total Steinberg slut on the desktop side of things. Used Cubase for many years, and find it so much, much better, faster and easier then any of the other DAWs I've tried. Cubase really owns them all on the desktop, no doubt whatsoever. On iOS, I find they dropped the ball a bit on keeping things simple and fast, which is another area Auria is ahead in (see file management etc for example).
^ Game theory. I'm as tickled as a barber selling prophylactics on a Friday night about the new Auria, but I'm also pleased to think that surely Steinberg are finally going to have that meeting where the sleeves get rolled up and the resources get sent...
@JohnnyGoodyear said:
That's good someone's optimistic about that, I guess.
I've said the same as @Crabman on this board before. Their audio editing and zooming features, which imo are key to a DAW, are very poorly implemented.
Hmm, as said I have cubasis but its tempting to buy auria at the price its now on 25€.
I think it's not gonna hurt either one to have 'm both. They both deserve our support imo.