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Music IO: MIDI over USB
Woah! Currently at introductory price. USB midi to Mac and back. Upcoming update plans to include audio via USB as well!
Joint effort From: SeceretBaseDesign (Apollo)
Confusion Studios (MIDI Designer Pro) and
Audeonic Apps (MidiBridge)
Shoutout to @iansainsbury for brining this up in another thread!
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http://musicioapp.com
http://itunes.apple.com/app/music-io-midi-over-usb/id966003016?mt=8
Yup -- we're pretty happy with this, and it's been a lot of fun working with the other development teams. It's going to pretty much steamroll the work I was doing with streaming audio over WiFi (at least to the desktop), and it makes my MIDI over Bluetooth stuff less relevant too. Anyway, that's sort of the nature of things -- new technology opens up, and makes the old stuff obsolete. And if it's going to happen, I might as well do it to myself.
The audio part that will be in the update is working amazingly well over USB, and that should be out in a couple of weeks. Just have to smooth out the UI a little bit, and we're good to go!
Very creative and cool to see developers come together like that. I'm wondering if it could ever work between two iOS devices with a CCK on one of them. That would be really convenient, especially when they get the audio functionality added. Poor man's iConnectivity.
This sounds very interesting!
A couple of questions if I may.
Will the audio side of things work by creating an aggregate device? (like the i-connectivity stuff)
Any chance of a Windows version on the horizon?
The Mac audio part is designed to work with SoundFlower -- you'll be able to send audio from iOS to any Mac audio output, and when we enable bi-directional, you'll be able to transmit any Mac audio source to iOS.
Using SoundFlower has its down-sides, but it seems like the most reliable, least hassle way to go. I've had a lot of headaches with aggregate devices, so I've tried to avoid them.
SoundFlower runs as a kernel extension, so it's very low overhead. I'm getting round-trip latency (MIDI from Logic X, across USB, into a synth app like BS-16i, audio back across USB, into SoundFlower, and then recorded into Logic) of around 20ms. MIDI latency seems to be just under 1ms, with very little jitter. There's a little bit of voodoo with the timing of the two separate audio engines, so the audio latency can be a little bit higher -- but it's pretty darned good.
We're certainly looking at Windows -- can't give you a time frame, but it looks like something that is possible, and maybe not too much work.
Thanks for the info. Sounds like a really usable system, I hope Windows development also proves feasible!
Server-Program always crashes on OSX 10.7.5 !
@Schimanski did you try downloading the version directly from their webpage? Apparently the Mac App Store version isn't working correctly right now.
@busker yes,that's what I did.On their webpage is the "direct download" link,which is the
one I used.
Please, please make it compatible for Window also? Then all of us can make sweet harmony music with MACS or PC's.
Ah - hadn't realized the Mac side was Soundflower dependent. :-( Makes it a non-starter for me. Soundflower has messed up my aggregate devices in the past and been pesky to remove. Sorry Patrick :-(
@SecretBaseDesign, I bought this last night and it works great controlling my mac vst's with my iPad, but still can't get my mac keys to control my ios synths. I'm sure I'm misunderstanding how this works or I'm doing something wrong?
This looks great, especially when audio is implemented too, are there any plans to support osx 10.6?
@MusicInclusive -- I've had really good experiences with Soundflower, but only trouble with any aggregation of any sort. The Mac app will send audio from iOS to any Mac audio output -- so I should say that it's not really Soundflower-specific, but that's my go-to way for moving audio from point A to point B. If you've got some way of routing an audio output into where every you want the audio to go, you should be in business. When we turn on audio from the Mac to iOS, it's the same situation -- I really like Soundflower, and it works like a champ for me, but you could use any Mac system audio input.
@Bootsy -- you may need to tell the Mac server to listen to the external keyboard -- on the menu bar, toggle on "show inputs," and it'll add a spot where you can select MIDI devices to listen to (and relay the MIDI from).
@mister_rz -- 10.6 looks to be a bit too far back (mainly for the audio support piece), but I'll see what I can do.
Ha @SecretBaseDesign. Patrick. My experience has been just the opposite. Oh well :-) So - it'll work within an aggregate? (Haven't tried it yet - might get to it this week hopefully - just asking ahead of time).
If the hardware will run it, the demand is high enough, and the work is worth it, I seccond the OS X10.6.8 support
@secretbasedesign any idea why the serverapp constantly crashes on OSX 10.7.5 ?
@SecretBaseDesign
Thanks, I'm probably going to move over to yosemite this year once I get the newer version of logic, just love the speed of snowy, think I've got enough on my account to snag this, so I'm off to see.
drat. no 10.6.8 support. can't afford $2K to upgrade my machine just for this, given I already have a solution in place.
@Schimanski -- can you email a crash log to [email protected]? We've seen a bug with some MIDI interfaces that is causing a crash; Nic has nailed the bug, and we'll have an update out shortly. If the 10.7.5 problem is being caused by the bug -- that's good news. And if not, we'll chase after it!
Bought the app --> couldn't use it because I still run Snow Leopard.
Please a video for a dump like me.... I was able to connect it but that´s it. Not sure how to set it up...sorry.
I was able to get it going in Garage Band by using the IAC driver Bus on the Music IO app for OSX on the Mac and the MusicIO in the app on the iPad. In Audio MIDI Setup on OSX I made sure the IAC Driver was configured for the midi in/out channel I wanted. On the iPad, I set the apps to send receive midi on the MusicIO virtual midi. The same setup worked for Logic Pro except on the external midi track I left it as the GM Device.
I think we've got the All-Star midi iOS developer team on this app.
@Paulinko I'm assuming you are talking about iPad MIDI driving Garageband, since Garageband doesn't have MIDI out?
@busker I recorded midi to and from Logic Pro (it does have midi in and out) on OSX Yosemite with the iPad. I was only able to record midi in and as you've said I couldn't find a way to send the midi back out from GarageBand on Yosemite.
O.k. it worked. Great! Fantastic to control my Audio Units via ThumbJam. Once i figure out how to send it the other way (which i could not yet) i'm happy. Would like to use Cthulhu to control Mitosynth.
However, once again some third party developers solved a thing which apple should have done long time ago. Shame on apple and thank's to the developers!
I still can't get it to back from mac to iPad. Has anyone got it to go both ways?
@Bootsy Yes, I was able to send midi from a Logic Pro track on the Mac back to the app on the iPad and play synths on the iPad. You need to make sure the track is sending midi out to the Music IO app and that it's setup correctly in its settings for the synth app in the iPad you're using to drive it with.
I have it sending MIDI from both Numerology and Live9 on my Mac to iPad...took a while to figure out all the settings but it works well. Issues are with the DAW not thus app.
@Paulinko, awesome! It must be something I'm doing wrong then. I'm working in Studio one pro and I set the ins and outs to music io but can't seem to find any other settings. Setup is easy going from iPad to the mac and it works great.