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I'd love to see you in action too @kobamoto (especially in Samplr)... Your passion for sample mangling is impressive!
This is great info guys!! Thanks!!
An acquired taste? How dare you Sir! I'll have you know Doug is a National Treasure (think David Attenborough and Judi Dench etc).
I hope Doug doesn't take it the wrong way
I've watched tstr video and I thought it was full of info buy afai remember he went through built in hectic samples which didn't appeal to me much. Because I normally jam with a drummer
I'm not interested in beats as much as softer stuff like 30's swing, speech or ambient noises a la Matthew Herbert. I think I'm just gonna get it. It seems to have enough control to tailor to taste.
I bought 'Sector' last night. Yes, once you get into it, there's a lot of potentials and possibilities. Though I have to say that pretty much all the demos and samples that come with it, puts it very much in the 'squeak-buzz-whirr-crackle' glitchorama side of things.
Kind of reminds me of Native Instrument's 'Razor' synth, which I think is one of the best synths out there, but marketed almost exclusively for EDM / dubstep type stuff and I know it can do so much more than that.
I like Sector, but everything I've done on it sounds very similar and twitchy, I'd like to have a go at Matts trick though, otherwise it all sounds like this: https://m.soundcloud.com/horse-gas/jupiter-vs-the-man-in-black
Sector is a very good master clock but not a good slave. Brilliant app for guitar riffs as well. Its easy to warp into that chaos glitch sound and go really crazy with it. But you control. Tweaking probabilities gives endless variation. One of the ios gems imho
Ok, so I caved in. I knew that I'm going to get a glitch bonanza using the presets so I proceeded with caution. I liked the Devine's preset but that's about it. Fortunately I imported some great stereo choral stuff from Samplr and it all started sounding better.
I think the 'problem' with Sector is that it is a very deep app so in order to get what you want from it requires a good knowledge of its structure. I agree, the random button is not as forgiving as the one in Egoist, it easily spawns a tone of garbage. I couldn't see it but if there was a randomness intensity slider it would definitely help. Just like the one in Magellan's preset spawn feature. So far for me it feels like Sequential on speed.
I also tried to incorporate it in my looping rig but I'm struggling to slave loopy to it. It doesn't do it consistently. The start and stop works for a while and the it just stops responding. Samplr seems to play ball though. The sad thing in my case is that I absolutely need a live looping feature so I can record vocals and other instruments on the fly and so far only Loopy seems to cut the mustard for me.
I'll definitely try and do some more sync testing as this thing definitely deserves the effort.
Personally, Egoist. In my top 10 Best apps I have purchased.
One of my top apps for stitching and adding non-harmonic depth to traditional and deep house.
Comes with a beautiful array of presets and is easy to maneuver and tweak. It does not only provide a "twitchy" sound necessarily which I feel is common on many slicers. The sequencer component is more a tool than a means in using the app.
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Also, has basic yet highly useful beat machine and bass modular. You can essentially do an entire track with it.
Plus, it essentially comes with Effectrix in the app for effects. Great easy use, limited gestures required to change tabs and setting. Highly tweakable.
Here's a question that I can't find answered anywhere. Can Sector change the speed at which the loop plays? It would seem reasonable that it would be capable, since it slices the loops and they can be sequenced, but I find no info about this.
You can change the BPM and the audio playback speed, either linked or separately.
Great!! Thanks!
For my own purposes (not live use etc) this is the gold. I want my unpredictability to be predictable and this kills. Takes a little thinking about beforehand (such is the fate of the benign dictator), but I didn't know this trick and it rocket-launches this app for me, so a big Friday thank-you.
+1 ^^^^^
Ha! he's one of my acquired taste too I'll have you know...... I remember when I couldn't get past him giving me the middle finger all the time hahahahaha
maybe one of these days I'll get my act together Matt, but right now I'm more of a share & sharer than show & teller, something about the sharing of ideas just hits the spot, ideas are so universal no genre's or labels and all of that other stuff doesn't matter.
what about the big elephant that is not in the room yet.......... beat maker 3, what's up with those guys, intua's not even dropping any teasers?
Sector is gold. It can definitely do a lot more than glitch-o-rama-freak-out-oh-my-god-the-children-are-on-fire. Not that there's anything wrong with children on fire—I think that was J Lilla's original intention—but there's more there there.
I didn't realize it at first but you can remove all of the connections/probability stuff and use the step sequencer to rearrange slices in the loop. Then, if you want, start messing with connections and chance. The demos are all so crazed that it took me a while to settle into being ok with having only few connections and using the step sequencer to ground the loop in the reality of my original loop (say, keeping steps 1, 5, 9, and 13 always the same as the original). Small rearrangements in the step sequencer and a few well placed connections+chain probability+low-probability step effects can bring delight without hurting the kids.
It would be fun if you could have variable length slice points—particularly for more melodic remixing.
A huge thing to remember with Sector, as well, is that you can keep 4 independent scenes for Routing, Sequencing, and Warping each. That's nice for either wanting to setup more elaborate composition where you know what you want to do, or A/B comparison type work. I always keep at least one scene of each blank so I can see how things work on their own.
Also, as cheap indulgence, I really love that they have the Amen Break already loaded as a sample to use in Sector. Get bored? Hey, go sound like Squarepusher in 2 minutes or less!
edit: Now that I'm thinking of it, and have never checked before and don't have my iPad handy, can entire scenes be copied/pasted in Sector? That would be very cool if possible...
This and on and on and into the sea. This. Please.
That you can't change the slice marker positions is why I didn't recommend Sector immediately when this thread started.
I wish there was a way to change slice's volume to make the groove more dynamic. Is that possible?
Maybe it's something to do with the math underpinning this app, but -especially as you point out for melodic needs and words particularly (for me)- the inability to edit the slice points is what keeps me in the Samplr and Egoist fields (lovely as they are). I find it frustrating enough to dream about that I wish the developer would tell us flat-out if there's no way that's ever going to happen. It would burn, but I could work on putting my considerable longing elsewhere...
A different reason why I didn't recommend Sector was the lack of external MIDI triggering. I've made that request before, but a slight addendum would be the ability to have an external MIDI trigger override whatever was going on with the sequence.
^^ this and virtual midi sync slavery would be awesome.
Think that's in the works.
Great comments guys!! I too would love to have midi triggering of parts! :-)
Good point.
I created a conservative, individually tweakable preset, where the SEQ page constrains the MAP craziness and the WRP page introduces occasional scratches. The SEQ page forces the loop back on its initial path every four steps (64 step setting) ... With that and a somewhat logical, somewhat randomized MAP setting (ie random sprays chosen for even-numbered or symmetrical steps), I can swap in loops/breaks for more subtle, but dynamic, ghost notes, fills, glitch-outs, etc.
I'm sure I will find some uses for Sector, but I just bought Egoist and I can see it will be much more useful for my purposes. I can see the potential in Sector, but all that probability stuff isn't of much interest to me, it's other features are very cool though.
I'm Bumping this:
Anyone know of something like Egoist, but with a more detailed sequencer page that's like iMPC Pro? Abu Dhabi kinda gets me there, but I'm not crazy about Gadget sequencer timeline...
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I'm not sure if Cream is even in the ballpark of what you are looking for, but it has a sequencer like no other....