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What type of contact mic for Impaktor?
I bought one off ebay, was posted here in another thread but the pickup is really bad, i had to hit the mic itself to get a decent response. I'm using a behringer UCA-222 interface...
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You need a piezo pickup ideally. They are commonly used in electronic drum triggers. In fact if you can get a second hand drum trigger that would be the best you could do. This especially because a normal mic will re trigger with the sound from the speakers.
Part of your problem is the interface. There's not enough gain. You may have to run the piezo through a preamp of some sort whether it be a stompbox or a standalone mic pre before going through the Behringer interface.
Thanks. This is the one i've got: http://www.amazon.co.uk/BestDealUK-Contact-Microphone-Ukulele-Mandolin/dp/B008MUPALY
My plan was to attach it to some bongos i have but i think Martygras is right and what i was thinking was the issue, in fact i've got a pre but iirc it didn't work.
@Martygras i've been waiting for the ica4+ but looks like could be waiting a while longer, is there a stompbox or cheap pre that you recommend?
Or @supadom what do you recommend?
Sorry I wasn't clear. A drum pad like roland pd9 works really well
i use a mogees (Mic) with impaktor and it works very well ;-)
http://mogees.co.uk/
Hi Supadom,
Have you got any video of you using the roland pd9 to trigger Impackor? I'd love to see that!
I bought a cheap piezo mic but as @musikmachine says - it doesn't really pick anything up (or certainly not in the way i've used it - inside small metal, plastic and wood boxes etc...)
Thanks, yeah there are so many different types but that's the type of thing i was envisioning!
@obiwahnkentobi that looks great! Kind of thing i could take outside and use anywhere. How do i order one?
+1!
I had a piezo in all sort of containers and metal indeed works best of them. The drum trigger pad will produce very similar output so you'll need some kind of preamp to boost the signal. I have a little battery powered line mixer before going into my uca222. Here's a video
Just curious, are you using the Mogees much with its own software too?
I have one, but haven't gotten around to getting an extension cable- the one it comes with is too short to be of much use- so have barely used the thing. I did try it with Impaktor when I first got it just to test...
Thanks @Superdom. That's a lovely track. Very nice vibe.
So with the Roland drum pad... Just figuring it out in my head - it has 2 different mics (inner and outer) that produce different velocities of sound I guess. So if I feed that into impaktor via a pre amp and then my uca222 it will create 2 different feeling 'hits' from the Impacktor patch I guess? That would be very nice.
I'm tempted. I think I have an old preamp that I used with a vinyl turntable in a draw somewhere. I guess that might work.
Impaktor will not respond to 2 different signals. It blends all of the input into 1 and listens to the dynamics which you can set to your liking I.e. light touch = low pitch, strong hit = high pitch and vice versa. This can be set to volume of different oscillators and noise, filter, pitch etc.
I'm using successfully "Korg CM-100L Clip On Contact Microphone For Tuners" via passive iRig interface
http://www.amazon.com/Korg-CM-100L-Contact-Microphone-Tuners/dp/B000WGJ71U
Nice track but how the heck do you play like that in zero grav? ;P
A piezo might be better than the contact mic, i take it doesn't need much amplification to trigger?
Contact mic and piezo are one and the same thing as far as I know. In fact most if not all drum pads on the market are based on piezo technology. I've opened one of those clip-on mics for tuners and guess what, it had a piezo inside. What I like about the drum trigger is that you don't get that nasty sound when you knock it about unlike the clip on thingy. Also I remember when I first tried the drum pad I really loved the rubberised surface which reminded me a bit djembe in response. If you look through some other earlier videos on my YT channel you'll see me playing a square metal container with piezo mic stuck underneath with blu tack. I've also tried a hardwood salad bowl which looked the part but needed upping the sensitivity in app's setting. I fact, did you try turning the sensitivity up while using your contact mic?
Just found this! Pretty informative and also well funny
@supadom - yep - i tried all the app sensitivity settings. I suspect I might not have been wacking the box hard enough - but it was, you know, 1 in the morning or something.
I guess i'm trying to get the same effect as tapping the table next to the iphone or tapping the iphone mic itself. Which works incredibly well.Which begs the question why don't I just do that? But then where's the fun in that... and it doesn't involve buying something.
I might get one of those roland pads sometime from ebay. I understand that impackor won't take 2 different inputs - it just takes in what it hears. It just seemed like you could set up the drum pad to guarantee a different output from the pad in terms of a different pitch/dynamic from the outer part of the pad to the inner part of the pad. But i'm probably getting confused with how the pad works.
I saw that tupperware thingy.. Will buy Korg CM 200
Course they are, that's the technology used. I like the idea of a pad but i thought the bongo would be equally good although i'll also have the noise from the bongo when playing... I did turn it up, tapping anything other than the mic itself produced a very faint response so i thought the 222s built preamp was probably not powerful enough.
I'll try playing around with things, the preamp i've got is cumbersome with a big PSU but if i can get it to work it should give me plenty of gain for the mics pickup.
Cheers!
^Oh that was aimed at Matt.
Yeh i was wondering if another type of mic would be more suitable like the korg sensor clip that attaches to a desk to trigger the wavedrum mini.
Just an FYI for those interested. Not all edrums use piezo's. Kat products use what is called FSR. Here is a link to an article that talks all about the basics of triggers and pads.
http://www.drummagazine.com/plugged-in/post/dont-pull-that-trigger/
Just not sure where to attach Korg CM 200 to tupperware. Classic selfsticking mic is just sticked to the surface
Just curious, are you using the Mogees much with its own software too? I have one, but haven't gotten around to getting an extension cable- the one it comes with is too short to be of much use- so have barely used the thing. I did try it with Impaktor when I first got it just to test...
Yes, i use Mogees mostly with impaktor, the mogees app, and what it does, is for me useless, its 5minutes funny but...as i see the vids on kickstarter it looks like it recognize the distance/dynamic to use this information to trigger notes...but It feels not different to another contact mics i used...so...?!?...the mogees hardware MIC is great to playing impaktor, and yes the short cable is more like a joke, you HAVE to buy a longer adaptercable for...the mogees app is a total disappointed piece of ??? after months no update....
Korg cm200 works really well, you can get it new for 15$
Hi @lala
Do you need to use a preamp with the korg cm200? Or does it work ok with Impacktor on its own?
That's the question, i'm about to go and buy some rca cables to hook a preamp up (it does work, i just didn't have the correct cables) but then again i can use the pre with other mics so i'll probably get 'em.
@obiwahnkentobi, I can't seem to find the mogees available anywhere but out of interest what type of extension cable does it need?
Here's a viddy with the Korg CM-200-BK
@musikmaschine mogees was a kickstarter project....but think it will sell officiall this year...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002C741B8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1