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Novation Launchpad Zen Ambient Sound Pack Demo, Lets Chill
Time to chill with the Zen Pack for Launchpad http://thesoundtestroom.com/novation-launchpad-for-ipad-zen-ambient-pack-demo-lets-chill/
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Nice
Do you use your own samples with this app Doug? I'm tempted by the IAP.
I know you didn't ask me, but I love that IAP. You can do some cool stuff with it if you are used to the Abelton workflow. Herwe's a track I did in it with samples from other apps. It supports Open In so it is worth typing in a tempo just for that. Pretty easy:
@monzo Interested to hear Doug's take on the IAP. Have bought a while back and find it good. Samples not always quite exactly how you imagine/want them to turn out (timing-wise), but often get results that were unexpectedly better....weird cousin to Beathawk.
Thanks for the reply - nice track! I'm used to Ableton, sounds promising.
Do you have to trim them to a set length for each BPM?
I'd love to use it to trigger Different Drummer loops, that'd be fun.
I had a vision...
Create a load of stuff in Gadget.
Export to Ableton option.
This produces every clip from every track as a looping wav file
Import these into Launch pad.
Any reason why this wouldn't work?
What's the batch import (from Dropbox?) like in Launch Pad?
I'm not exactly sure why I'd bother (I can mute clips on and off in Gadget to kind of achieve this anyway - for listening to different combinations). But it might be nice for a live performance of a Gadget track or something. And the launch pad effects are nice.
@BvsMV
Very interesting track, cool to hear something different coming out of the Launchpad app.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000
Intruiging idea, I was thinking along similiar lines. I recently exported a Gadget track to Live and when I imported it on the desktop, it lent itself to all manner of clip launching possibilities.
The strength of Ableton for me, was that I could jam about with the clip launcher until I found a combination of loops that worked best together, record it as a sequence and then it'd be ready for extra tweaking and overdubs in the standard editing mode.
As well as a fun way to work, it was very quick. At the moment I'm doing this by hand in Auria - cutting, pasting and moving clips about until I find a combination that works - and as well as being no fun, it's taking years.
If Launchpad could be used as an Ableton type clip launcher, the results of which are then recorded into Auria, it'd be a really fast and fun way to work.
I love the Launpad app, but I only use it have fun, so I don't have the Import your own samples IAP. I like to play with different packs, I can spend ages just playing around with then. I think all the extra packs are very good, so every now and then I pick a pack to demo, I have to say this Zen one snd the Blues one are very different
Yep. Ableton will do it with midi though, won't it. Which is even more powerful.
That 'record my clip jam' thing is pretty appealing I know. The holy grail.
I kind of do that with Gadget right now - having 20 or so core clips along one scene and solo them on and off. But I have to remember the sequence I like and then build it up down the page. It takes a lot longer, is maybe less spontaneous, but is maybe more considered in terms of structure as a result (although I know you can re-arrange in Ableton).
Gadget isn't that far off being able to achieve this 'mode' I wouldn't have thought. And it would all still be in midi.
Cool, I've had some fun with that one. I really got into that vocal sample loop with a latched gate effect.
Btw, neat trick with latched fx is you can stack them up in a queue. If you latch an fx, then switch to another of the same type while the first one is still running it gets suspended. If you deselect the second one, the first comes in again. Also works holding an unlatched one down and then releasing.
Works really well on the stutter fx to get an accelerating stuttering roll.
@monzo: For the track I posted I essentially used it like Live. A couple of different 8 bar drum loops, fill clips, set to launch on 1 beat so I could get some variety. Same with the hats. I had some clips set to one shot mode, some to loop, and some to play through as loops. The thing that is a bummer is it only goes to one track and no editing. I recorded a couple different versions of this and picked the one I liked most. I wanted to do it iOS only, so you need to record the loops somewhere else as well.
Thanks!
@Matt_Fletcher_2000: that's a good idea to get around only being able to play rows in Gadget, and not mix and match clips.
That's fine, I'd create the loops on the iPad using Gadget, SeekBeats etc and trim them in Audioshare. Then import them into Launchpad, play the sequence and record into Audioshare, GarageBand or Auria. Not too worried about the single output as I'd record a few performances as overdubs.
Be good to see a video demo of the IAP in action, the timing thing is a bit if a worry.
@Monzo - that sounds very cool. For a 'live' way of putting a track together.
You shouldn't have to trim the gadget clips (that would be a pain). They should loop perfectly if you choose the 'output to Ableton' option. Drum jam also outputs perfect loops by the way. I just wish seek beats did. I'm pretty sure Mo Drum does too.
Overdubs should work nicely in Auria (or garage band). (Or probably loopy to be honest).
I'd be really interested to hear how that goes.
@BvsMV Like your piece plenty. As often with the best of stuff here it sends me back to the object in question with new faith in what the app can do (if also a reminder that my previous poor attempts were more likely user-rubbishness than anything else...).
Actually I had a try this evening.
Didn't really work for some reason. I got all the clips out of Gadget fine. I got them into launchpad but strangely only one would play. The others were silent when loaded onto pads (although they played when you preview them in launchpad). Bit odd.
I also concluded that even if it did work, it's a bit of a hassle. The clips would all need renaming really - otherwise it gets confusing.
You need a PC to get them in the correctly named bpm folder.
The effects are all or nothing (on the master bus). You might as well just use turnado or something.
You can only have 8 things playing at the same time.
One shots would be tricky since gadget saves 1 bar loops out as 8 bars (repeated 8 times) if they are part of an 8 bar scene.
Basically I think you're much better just using gadget and muting parts on the beat.
Gadget -> AudioCopy -> AudioPaste -> Protein der Klang ???
Thanks. I really must try that app again some time. It boggled my brain a bit last time.
Would be a lot of soloing and audio copy and pasting to get all the clips in though.
Better if it batch imported from Dropbox...
Beatmaker 2 also does this actually if you assign loops to pads. And it can even record the order you launch things along the timeline for tweaking later. I made a track like this once.
But as usual there are issues (workflow is a bit of a nightmare).
Do you have the FX IAP? You can deselect each fx from vertical strips of clips. Makes it much more usable.
There is no doubt that you need to spend time preping your clips, but the real joy of the app is when you pair it with the Launch pad Mini. And if you add the Launch Key Mini, the Launch Key app and run them both through Cubasis with some cubasis/iaa fx it's becomes a nice performance environment.
Still plenty of scope for further work though...
That's what I was thinking too. Might be a better idea to just build the components in Gadget one and at a time and assemble them "just-in-time" style in PTK.
Thanks JG! Yeah, it's definitely a lot of prep work getting the loops in as @xen said, but paired with an actual Launchpad, it's pretty great in my book. Even once you get used to the gestures in it, it becomes pretty useable.
By the way Doug, sorry for hijacking this thread! Great video as always and thanks! This pack was tempting me so it was nice to hear it.
It's fine, I'm pleased the thread developed into something interesting
"PTK" ?
Yes, sorry Doug.
Thanks for testing Matt, think I'll give the IAP a miss then as I've got enough randomness with the apps I already have
Think I might do things your way and get the Gadget sample player instead.
pdk, protein der klang
@kobamoto - Ah of course, thanks...
Luckily, "Der" = "There" so I wasn't that far off with my typo.
@monzo - you really should...
This morning I rediscovered Thor and this amazing D&B kind of rising hoover/reece bass patch... I could probably create it in Miami or Dublin - although it has loads of chorus on it (so sounds nice and thick) and that's something, annoyingly, you can't add to those synths in Gadget (bring us PROPER EFFECTS PLEASE!).
So what to do?
Well i came up with a slightly different technique to create my dirty 8 bar bass line in Gadget with Thor sounds which is:
Play out 3 long, separated notes in Thor and record the whole thing into audioshare. In my case it was just c1, c2 and c3...
This then produced a nice clean 8 second audio clip which was c1 > pause > c2 > pause > c3
Wack this into Abu Dhabi and set just 3 slice points for the 3 notes and a 4th slice of silence
Put them in the choke group so you get that "monophonic bassline" sound - this is essential otherwise it gets very muddy paying different notes
Sequence them in a nice funky way - so each note doesn't necessarily play out fully every time, it gets cut of by the next note, or the "silence" note.
I can then even throw some effects on certain notes because Abu has effects - so i put a 'pump' on one long note. A 'slice' might also be cool. You could pitch down the last note in the sequence too (like a tape slow down- normally sounds cool).
The result is pretty cool... really full Thor bassline sound that's a bit tricky to achieve in Gadget, but no "committing to audio" issues - I can vary my bassline as i wish throughout my track, even mess with the pitch etc... and tweak for hours in Gadget along with different parts of my track to get it just right - without having to mess around re-recording and re-importing every time.
The only issue is you can't play the exact same note twice (it will click slightly as it kills and restarts the same sample). The way round this would be to have 2 versions of each note sample - which you could alternate between.
Everything i've said above could be done with either Bilbao or Abu... I mainly used Abu because it was one file import rather than 3 separate ones. But it makes no odds.
I cannot impress upon you enough the power, and pleasure, of getting stuff actually happening inside Gadget without messing around with hooking up loads of apps in real time... I know you're chasing that 'jam live and record' thing but to be honest it doesn't exist on iPad like it does on Ableton (I too tried a lot to try and do this!). I'd go with "jam live along one scene in Gadget using mute/solo - then when you've got it nailed - make it into an arrangement down the page in Gadget and further finesse).
Good luck!
I do this sometimes with sixteen 8th notes, so that none of the pads was wasted.
http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/126405/#Comment_126405