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Yes mate and agree! Another blessing from the thread and your tune is that I've been so inspired that I've started a garage tune! Totally new territory for me but it's good to go beyond the comfort zone lol
So it's all good, I like garage and need variety in my life
Wish me luck!
One can follow specific methods and get specific results, that's ok, and one can also follow ones own unique path of musical self discovery and create new things.
If one is a sheep,they will try sound like everything and everyone else..
I think it's far better to focus on quality and originality to be honest. Look at El B, a true garage legend and actually, an old personal friend of mine. Study UK dance music history and you will find that his direction took him from making standard garage and turning it into the original forays of Dubstep , when it was actually Dubstep.
So, it could be said that he kept an open mind while sticking to certain production principles..
In my own production, even in desktop days, I found myself never happy when I was trying to follow exact blueprints of what a genre sounds like. I can make most genres no problem but as soon as I try making one "to the letter", I will get stuck cause my integrity tells me I'm just kind of selling out.
So, I will never approach a track with an exclusivist mentality. If it's gonna be dnb or techno, it will be that, but I'll keep an open mind as to where exactly the track itself wants to flow to.
Please remember that this discussion was mostly triggered by your comment, a comment that had no validity on this forum. Matt made a track and it is garage despite your opinion based on a so called purist / conformist expectancy . It has a garage beat, and people liked it and felt inspiration from it.
Matt has his own flavour and he just brought it into the garage genre, the result of the track is secondary, because the primary consideration is Matt had a creative impulse, recorded it and shared it with us..
This is ios music, and I feel it has its own unique direction and flavour to bring to the world and it may not always conform to exact standards. IMHO , that is a valuable contribution to an over crowded and at times, dull and overplayed copy cat arena..
We might even create totally new genres here- now wouldn't that be cool?
thanks guys... Bear in mind it was also only a 2 hour twiddle.
I might try some more.
@songmoodist I take your point about more 'asymmetric rhythms' etc.
The swing setting thing is interesting. How much does it really matter? @solador78 posted a useful chart on mapping Gadget swing settings to the original MPC ones (you can't get gadget to match mathematically exactly). But then I've heard that the drum samples used in the MPC had random irregular silence in front of the hits and actually that was what caused the interesting groove. Surely you're better moving the swing up and down in Gadget until you hear a groove that suits your track, rather than trying to match some magic formula?
Well said touchconspiracy !
Great mix from El B,nice broad range of garage mixed by the master
Check the tune at 28.00, the beat and bassline..
Where's the bloody swing settings cause I can't find them matt...lol
But..putting the grid to 1/64 is great and helps
Thing is one can jam out the beat live and record
So, not sure if swing is essential here..I wanna do this , so I'm gonna chat with a few garage peeps I know today
Good luck
. Definitely post it when it's done. I'd be interested to hear it. It's a tricky genre IMO.
"Garage" is also a pretty wide label as far as I can tell. That Disclosure album (which I like, and was huge) is often referred to as Garage but mostly it has a 4-4 beat. It just has a very Garage feel to it, and Garage vocals.
Hit the tempo button and you'll see a swing setting pop up. It's from 0% to 100% though.
If tracks are posted here for people's perusal, I think it would be fair to say that not every response will be positive, is that 'dissing' or constructive criticism ? Constructive criticism should go into some detail, I think.
On the other hand, posing a track that is a 'sketch' perhaps might be better appreciated when it''s more finished as a track.
@touchconspiracy
You should check out this thread that includes some chat about Gadget's swing, mapping to the old MPC values. And @Solador78 's very interesting Gadget swing mapping and 'primer'.
http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/124546/#Comment_124546
Yep, point taken. Most stuff I post is quite 'finished' and I post to SOTMC - but now and again I like to post a quick jam or demo (demo of Darwin for example, or a Jam with Impacktor only). Obviously a 2 hour session is not going to produce the finished article. But it's a good way to learn or try something new sometimes.
In this case it was a bit of experiement over 2 hours to see if I could get a UK Garage 'feel' out of Gadget. And have a go at a new genre for me. I think it's produced a lively and interesting discussion and I've learnt quite a bit. People have posted some quite interesting musically references too. @Songmoodist posted some useful, constructive criticism when pulled up...
So I think it's all good personally.
Nice uplifting tune @Matt_Fletcher_2000
Like the Abu Dhabi snippets. Bought Abu last week and did some experimenting with importing a tambourine loop and triggering random parts. Quick way to get a more natural pattern compared to a single tambourine sample in London/Bilbao. Same goes for shakers etc.
There's garage which is usa based and is kind of deep house but more raw, minimal, and there is UKG or UK garage with its bloody sub genres like 2step, speed, future garage etc..I think that's what u mean anyway
Yes, tricksy genre but not as much as I thought. I'm good with percussion, ( trained professionally with djembe, bit of tabla), so it's not hard to get the beats by using the pads, but the sampling etc needs to be done slow..bass is easy, just funkier than dnb
Just needs more focus lol, cause getting that swing right...
Lol cheers! In the most obvious bloody place haha
What setting u put it at ?
Agree, but the geezer did a hit and run initially and just said "bullshit", was not critique, was just blunt and non committal
Your points are good and well taken tho
Ok thanks
You brought the negative energy into this thread unecessarily...and this comment of yours tells me u wanna continue it. Not gonna feed your Flames but as u won't show us your own work, I don't think u r in a position to chat about these things..
Change your approach next time you pop into threads, cause the fact is none of us really know who we are actually talking to do we lol
Show us your own music, what u got to hide? Teach us how to make UKG according to your "standards".
Only criticise from a position of excellence, not speculation please sir..
Calling bullshit can be a style too...not one I care for though.
I would love it if anyone else posted any garage type stuff made on iOS on this thread. I'll put it at the top of the thread too.
Always really interesting to hear what other people have done... @touchconspiracy - looking forward to yours.
@songmoodist - would be great to hear something if you make this kind of music. You obviously know a bit about it.
Thanks @songmoodist
I understood all that apart from:
"set chordsfills with short and longer notes and splitting in 3 sounds, like a one offbeatstarter melodyphrase like a contrapoint or a bridge in the groove"
Because of the English I think.
Personally I think it's best to just ignore harmless negative stuff. Especially on forums. Life's too short.
Thanks by the way @R_2 Glad you found it uplifting.
Relax you guys! Enough of debunker style movies!
No wonder earth is still in danger today!
Even making music has 3rd world war possibilities!
I like the track. I dislike pigeon-holes. As Duke Ellington said, "there are two kinds of music - good music and the other kind." And he had Billy Strayhorn writing and arranging for him.
Thanks @iansainsbury - just a jam really. But thanks.
Yep. Knew that
Listen man, we are totally disagreeing with each other, best we don't comment or chat ok?
Personally I cannot take anything u say seriously because
1- I don't know you
2- so far u are all theory , we don't even know if you make music yourself..
Take care, I'll not reply to anything further
Ok, here's what my first attempt sounds like so far..
^ bullshit
just kidding ;-)
Like the mix of this, 808 kick sounds good in there.
Did you use Gadget's limiter, if so: on what number was it set?
Not finished yet lol, just started it last nite
No limiter yet I don't think..
Cheers for listening:)