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Quantizing to triplets creates a very nice, similar-but-different kind of groove to traditional "swing."
The "groove " is never, should never just be about the drums..the morphing of drums, percussive elements, bass and other stuff when it merges as one is actually the groove
When it just hits you, makes u move, takes u on a mental journey too..
Dogsonacid is an incredible resource for drum programming. Drum and bass breaks are actually really complex, and you can apply techniques from these guys to any kind of beat creation.
http://www.dogsonacid.com/search/674710/?q=Ghost+notes&o=date&c[node]=44
Here's a great article with audio demos
http://www.attackmagazine.com/technique/walkthroughs/the-psychoacoustics-of-drums/
Great link. Thanks. I'll be using.
This guy has some mad drum programming skills, considering he uses a groove box that is restricted to 1/16 & 1/32 grid quantize. Listen from 11 min or just listen to the whole thing because it's awesome
I spent years finding the groove in a metronome-- the grid can get surprisingly funky with the right rhythm parts around it.
While I enjoyed the track, lots of interesting and really fun/creative stuff going on in there, I didn't think it was a track with groove - you couldn't dance to it, it's more something that is to be enjoyed in other ways.
I'm really out of touch with drum and bass, but I spent many a night dancing to it in the 1990s, this track is typical of the stuff that was around then, and once it gets going (after the two minute mark) it really does have a groove:
I like to use sample slicers that slice to MIDI to capture timing and groove. My first experience was Reason's Dr Rex player. Now it comes built in on most DAWs.
Hmm, i would dance to it
that safari mix just makes me start bopping my head. It has so much energy.
That track was classic you posted, had a nostalgia hit when I saw the cover in the YouTube video.
The Drum Perfect manual explains quite a bit about drumming and how to use the app to translate this to a grid based approach.
Attack Magazine articles have been mentioned a few times, and I found there this great article where Roger Linn, the guy who invented swing and quantization, explains this stuff in a way that even I could understand:
http://www.attackmagazine.com/features/roger-linn-swing-groove-magic-mpc-timing/
Before I found Attack Magazine, this is what made it click for me:
"The plant is not in love with the Fibonacci series; it does not even count its stalks; it just puts out stalks where they will have the most room. All the beauty and all the mathematics are a natural by-product of a simple system of growth interacting with its spatial environment."
"It simply grows its stalks or florets in succession around the apex of the stem so that each fits the gaps of the others."
RHYTHM RULES THE WORLD
@solador78 really good stuff. The boxing thing is super interesting (unless you're Rubio), but I love plant quote.
@JohnnyGoodyear: Cool, glad you liked it.
Here's a little more on where Golovkin gets his rhythm:
The groove works because it alternates between the "half beats" and "full beats" mentioned in the boxing video.
The key is to focus on the negative space/environment in between the beats (specifically between 2+3 and then 2+4).
And look how nicely the whole thing fits into a grid..
Perhaps slightly off-topic, but (for me) one of the grooviest rhythm sections in recent times - the excellent Mick Karn (RIP) and Steve Jansen:
Japan is a favorite band of the past for me, @Igneous1. I agree with your assessment.
I revisited "Tin Drum" by Japan not long ago. Excellent, still-fresh drum sounds and grooves throughout. Possibly one of the best blends of natural percussion and electronic sounds ever made, IMO.
The only thing that's changed for me is that I no longer enjoy David Sylvian's over-the-top vocals. Way too stylized for my current taste.
@Thus tend to agree with you re: David Sylvian's vocal at this point (gorgeous as they can be in places), but listening to
now, I get a fair amount of 'ahead of its time' ripples...
Ha, ahead-of-its-time TORRENTS, @JohnnyGoodyear. The synth sounds and production still sound very appealing and contemporary. My 13-year-old asked me to replay Ghosts several times!
@Thus Boy or girl?
This, to me, is the TAO. The plant just "does". Not to be confused with zen, but in a way, zen could be contained within the tao.
...or some stupid shit like that... Pff, I don't know what I'm talkin' about anyway so...
Or, I could say, "rhythm is life", or life is like a beautiful melody, only the lyrics are messed up.
XD
Boy. He loves music. He takes rock keyboard lessons, but prefers to play video games.
"Youth is a wonderful thing. What a crime to waste it on children."
— George Bernard Shaw or Oscar Wilde
Appreciated, Thank you.
I would suggest a 13 year old boy whose ears prick up at Ghosts is going to be the best kind of trouble
Good luck and well done etc.
Just a general point. I like to add stuff to drums, percussion and bass til I have a groove I like, then start taking stuff away. That's when I tend to find a great groove. Is it my imagination, or can't you turn gadgets's grid off entirely? I'm sure I've done that with bass licks to move them a teensy bit behind the beat.
You can turn quantisation off and move beats wherever you like.
+1 for Japan. Also Depeche Mode records have great percussion. They were one of the first bands to use samplers to create unusual percussive sounds.