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A clone of this:
yeah but for 1/3 price .. same like Crave is clone of Moog Mother for 1/3 price .. very cool .. my Crave can't wait when this little beauty will be near, interconnected with some modulation CV cables
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Which is a total clone of Ruismaker Noir!
Oh this looks like my neutron’s long lost best friend it’s been craving…
Kind of want it. LOL. Seriously.
yeh, it definitely reaches out and grabs ya'.
behringer's production policy is shabby. instead of developing their own products, innovative instruments from other manufacturers are brazenly copied. particularly unsymaptic: the copy of mutable instruments plaits. behringer ruins innovation and creativity.
I don't understand why so many celebrate it ???
Yes. but the premium brands do the innovative work that behringer simply copies with its unrivaled production capacities. that will ruin the smaller companies.
if you want that, have fun ...
To be fair Plaits is open source and there are many more clones of it in Eurorack world
yes. it‘s open source. But there is a difference between small companies producing clones and a global corporation pushing prices down. I don't think that this corresponds to the open source philosophy and in the sense of emilie gillet...
@banalytic: I do want that. I will have fun. Moog hasn’t lost a sale because I was never going to buy one. But Behringer will get a sale because in theory I wanted a DFAM… It’s not a zero sum game. Now I really want them to clone the subharmonicon….
That kind of holds water. But someone in the future who might have bought a DFAM? Maybe they don't care about innovation or build quality and just want something cheap? This argument will go nowhere, but when Behringer ultimately fails, no one will shed a tear. The same will not be said of Moog, I don't think.
that is the reason why it looks so sad in the world. everyone wants fun without thinking about the conditions under which their fun is created, what is behind it. I find that very superficial.
at some point there will be nothing more to clone for behringer ... and then?
you are so right! 👍
I’ve never quite understood how it is that Roland were able to step in and put a stop to Propellerhead’s Rebirth - yet they seem powerless to prevent Behringer from copying their 303?
the dude that stars in all their promo videos seems like a school yard bully
IIRC Roland also went after Audiorealism, though they only made them change the look of ABL so that it doesn’t look like a 303. I don’t remember them ever going after any of countless companies making a hardware clone though.
I guess it has something to do with patent laws. I’m sure they would like to stop all the clones if they could, especially since they make their own digital clone of the 303.
@banalytic "open source" but only to those who are deemed deserving of such .../?
the cloning, it's not the most reputable thing to do but it's a very common business practice and it puts synths, that had no chance of seeing the light of day, into young (poor) musicians hands.
And i'd hate to think that some kid has to think twice about buying a behringer product because of elitist mentality.
I'd also hate to think how much we'd have to pay for everything in life if there was no threat of competition.
Ever take a generic prescription drug that costs 1/50th of the original?
But yeh, shamelessly making it pretty much your whole company's focus to clone other people's innovation is a real bottom feeder mentality. Not enough to stop me availing myself of such, or begrudging anyone else doing so, but enough to erode my respect for Behringer a lot.
If they have your money, Behringer doesn’t give a damn about your respect.
So? I don't give a damn about whether they care about my respect either. It's a business transaction. Nothing more.
If they're going to copy an existing product, could they not take the time to learn the flaws and user criticisms of the original and improve upon them? (sequencer reset, looking at you)
It's a shame Behringer doesn't release more original synths (only 2 synths in their entire catalogue). The Deepmind and Neutron are very fun instruments.
Completely. I have a few Behringer synths, but increasingly I don't feel great when using them. When I read Moog manuals, I see artistry and pride. When I see Behringer synths, I by and large just see products. I just feel better using instruments and apps that were designed with heart.
I think if you're a professional and turn these musical tools into income, you should pay for the
orignal. But if you have other demands on your discretionary funds and still covet cool toys I think
Behringer's unethical business model is a guilty pleasure. I have boxes of their cheap guitar pedals...
saving me roughly a $1000 over the products they emulate. I used that $1000 to support @brambos,
steinberg, Korg, Casio, and dozens of IOS devs.
Behinger is in some senses like a hardware "Open Source" (meaning free as in beer) option for the masses.
If I was Moog or Mackie or ... I'd wish him great pain but as a business strategist he's a lot like Michael
Dell in finding a need and filling it. Not a lot of creativity... just scalable execution in a competitive world.
Can we mention Amazon around here? They disintermediate whole segments of the vertical marketplace with efficiency optimizations and lower prices. It's like a financial cancer preying on many companies.
Lots of behringer spam around here.
Don’t they already have a cloned version of this forum, but with all the user names slightly different?
It doesn’t look like much of a clone to me. Way more knobs, for a start.
I do wonder how many of the folks complaining about Behringer’s copies think the same about their Samsung and Huawei devices, which are utterly shameless rip-offs of iPhones and iPads. At least Behringer tweaks the formula to add improvements—like MIDI in this case.
Also, pink is cool.
It's literally 1:1 (outside of the additional clock scale knob+ switch and noise color.) Even the labelling is the same, e.g., 'Noise/VCF Mod' or 'VCA EG: Fast / Slow'.
Look at them side by side. They're identical save a single knob.
Also, they didn't add midi control such as CCs or parameter control. They just gave it MIDI clock, which the DFAM didn't have (analog clock only). If they wanted to improve the DFAM they would have added the #1 criticized detail, lack of reset input for the sequencer. This is a shameless ripoff, in the same vein as their Arturia KeyStep ripoff, 'Swing'. You can tell because the Edge manual is perfectly replaceable with the DFAM manual.
But that's fine. I'm not arguing against people buying or enjoying it. But it should be clear as day that it is not "inspired by, similar too, or improved upon", it's a near 1:1 ripoff.
So sick of all the behringer threads for every 'new' product (not just here, online in general), the outrage is just free promo. Most people, like me, who have strong feelings on how business practices like this can seriously damage an industry just end up looking like old men screaming at clouds.
In reality, the topic is actually super decisive because the people who could never afford/don't value the original product will endlessly try and justify the reasons why Behinger have done nothing wrong, it's just the market, demand will always win, captialism etc.
I recommend people watch this, while I don't agree with every point, Benn really goes into some good detail and explains it really well
Finally point, people on this forum may already have a HUGELY skewed ideas of how much a piece of gear should costs when coming from the world of iOS. One of the biggest costs of developping a product is the time you sink into making it come to life. What Behringer is doing is letting small businesses, full of passion and drive, develop products that are unique and interesting, then they see what works well in the market, swoop in to undercut them with no regard for the affect this has on the industry as a whole. Why anyone who is passionate about music or gear would want to support this is beyond me.
I hate this topic. I understand why people buy berhinger gear (please at least try and buy them used, they will be even cheaper for you!) but if you really don't see any issue in their business practices, you may not really value and respect the tools you use. I get that for a lot of people making music is a passive hobby so this may not resonate but for some, it's a hell of a lot more, so issues like this can hit home and taste pretty damn sour.
Always - but there are specific laws to protect drug development. Exclusive production rights for the first however many years it is, so that development costs are recouped before the masses get a price cut. I don't have a problem with Behringer cloning the old classics, but going head-to-head with recent, in-production and still-being-marketed gear seems a bit... ungentlemanly.