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This misses how iCloud works by such a wide margin that the two things are in different time zones. iCloud can’t take up your whole SSD, if you need to save something bigger than your remaining space, iCloud will cache fewer files and take up less space to accommodate it. This is how you can have 2TB of iCloud storage on a 512MB device. iCloud had a bit of a rocky start to life, but these days it walks all over any other cloud storage.
So, this is how it’s supposed to work. You can let them know on www.apple.com/feedback that you’d like an option to fully offload the item to the cloud.
I couldn’t even read all of that second post. If you don’t want to use iCloud then don’t use it and use another solution.
I agree. I think it’s a case of RTFM.
Same here. I'm not a young man and I was worried I might die before getting to the end
i think the iCloud is that byte we see out of the apple,
it’s there weather we want it or not,
i ♥ what my apple gives me ,, but i don’t forget what else it takes away
i think this is a case of all apple in/out methods … it’s on their terms,
regardless of what may/has been possible
regardless of what may/has been wanted
you want ringtone access …. hmmm ,, maybe, if you go through garage band
you want file access … hmmm, … ok … sort of … eventually
you want headphones ,,, sure,,, but these headphones
you want offsite storage ,,, here’s iCloud
my own experience with the in/out of apple support was similar to op and others in this thread … less than useful (other than the comments underneath the question) …
but i also appreciate apple looking out for the monkies like me that hold these de-vices,,, too much access and the kraftier will take advantage,,, but i mean … come on!
and on the topic of clouds and conspiracies …. «breathing past the terror_forming»
i find it … aopposite … that mr microsoft cloud , mr solar radiation management himself, should choose willie nelson’s “blue skies” as his “must save” desert island disk
Apple didn’t kill the thread because they didn’t like the subject matter. They had to because their servers were starting to run out of space.
Our machines are their servers!
Good point.
That must be what all that “other” storage is on my iPad. 😂
Lol
LOL.
This definitely needs a TL;DR version
iCloud for me works as expected but I wouldn't use it as an external drive and also will never get the 200GB version. I have 50GB but might eventually try and cull it to get the free version again.
It works fine but it's probably the worst experience out of all the cloud storage I have. But as a basic way of sharing files between iOS devices and desktop it's good for me.
Where it’s good is that you get to backup all your devices and photos for you and your family for one monthly fee.
It’s worth it for me just to make sure my wife’s phone is backed up!
It’s pretty good now, but not quite up to Dropbox at its best. But I’ve gone from loving Dropbox to ditching it completely. Dropbox is probably still great for corporates. Not so much for me. iCloud Drive is even a better deal financially, amazingly.
One real issue with iCloud Drive is you can’t rely on it if you work in a file ‘in’ iCloud Drive. It’s fairly easy to get yourself into a situation (with large files and projects) where data not only gets out of sync but it’s possible for an older version to overwrite a newer one:
For example. Work on a file on laptop. Then work on same file on desktop.
Now go back to laptop and make changes.
Now go back to desktop in different location.
Ooops. MacBook version didn’t upload. Bugger. Go back to MacBook. Shit. It’s overwritten the new version with last version from desktop. Aaarrrgghhh.
So don’t do that. Copy it first (which thanks to APFS won’t cost you any extra storage) then drag it back to iCloud Drive to sync and make sure it’s uploaded before you shut laptop lid. Lesson learnt.
I’m pretty sure Dropbox deals with this situation more elegantly.
Being on the train without data only to realize iOS nuked 90% of my Egoist samples.... bye bye iCloud. (How about Files ‘on my iPad’ support Sugar Bytes? Sigh.)
Definitely this. Apple could solve it for everyone, without developers having to jump through hoops by simply letting you tag files and folders as "store locally". Alas, they just don't think that way.
Basic file and record locking and sync conflict management. It's not like this basic data management problem hasn't been dealt with for at least the past 40 years. Apple isn't ignorant of these things, they just start from flawed assumptions about what people need and don't need and as a result miss so many fundamentals. Their vast ego kicks in and they double-down by insisting the whole rest of the world just needs to see the light.
Well that seems reasonable.
Another explanation is that the added complications of a cacheing mechanism with more user control is something that would require significant changes but is of interest to a relatively small percentage of users…and those users are by and large power users who can workaround it by using another service tailored to their needs.
…but… but…. Screw Apple!
By way of clarification, and not in any way to enter into debate, I see I over-edited my quote. That post was in reaction to the file conflict issues, not caching or any other issue. This is what I was referring to with that comment:
There is a lot of push-back for some reason. As I am being termed a ‘ranter’, I think I need to deploy a suitable rebuff - the flat-earthers are Apple fanboys. There, we can all name-call, so please don’t pretend to be grown-ups.
Yet, those arguing that I am some person determined to ‘rant’ have failed to do the ‘peer review’ test. Surely they trust iCloud? They are standing up for it to the max, I am dismissed as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ and a ‘ranter’. They the grown-ups. Well do the mature thing, do the test, be thorough, put your money where your mouth is, just do the file movement and report back here after iCloud has (to quote one youtuber) ‘worked its magic’.
Otherwise, you are just a megaphone for Apple Corp. Which is exactly what occurs in these matters.
I will outline it again, so the Apple Loyalists don’t have to scroll up to the two other places I described it - just hit ‘move’ or ‘copy’ and move/copy about 100Gb of files to your iCloud space, then wait a couple of hours, for iCloud to fill your SSD on your local device with it. (not as video etc in ‘photos’ but just any old file - music made in GarageBand counts as big, not-special, files).
Or, if you really want to demonstrate full confidence - move the exact amount of files into iCloud, that your local SSD has free space! I happen to have had about 100Gb free, after migrating some GarageBand files off the iPad at great expense, to SD cards. See later - iCloud’s gotten even worse and claimed that space completely. I didn’t even move files manually, just made a few more songs in GB.
And remember I love my Apple device and software (GarageBand) and I just reported the facts:
One - My Apple community forum description of the iCloud issues, with screenshots, was deleted after I showed proof positive, iCloud had effectively taken over a large chunk of my iPad Pro’s SSD. At that point my posting was removed. The reason given was that the forum was for ‘technical questions’ and that I was doing a survey or a poll. Weak, very weak.
I think ‘How do I limit Apple iCloud’s appetite for my iPad’s SSD?’ is a technical question - after all, nobody here who claims I am ‘ranter’, ‘conspiracy theorist’ and puts me down as not going about this in the ‘right’ way, has an answer, and AudioBus is a well respected forum with knowledgeable people.
TWO - I am accused of hyperbole. I think the intention was to say that my headline was ‘clickbait’ or I had written somehow things that were purely to grab attention. It is not attention-grabbing in a negative way, unless it’s not true - the same goes for ‘clickbait’. A snappy title that grabs attention, if true, is good marketing. If there is an untruth about something I wrote, do the tests, prove me wrong, counter with that instead of rooting around the internet for some other bits of video you feel demonstrate something more.
I say what I say here - argue about that, with your own tests to back you up.
I await more insults and no tests being conducted. Because that would possibly put the sceptics/cynics/deprecating types, in the embarrassing position of having to agree the substantive facts are correct - iCloud has no limits to its insatiable appetite for a user’s local PC hard drive or SSD.
One more thing - apparently, if I say that after my pretty extensive testing, iCloud is shoving the files I drop onto it, right back to my device, I don’t mess around or lie or mislead. I sent a chunk of files at a time, from my iPad to the iCloud, and did nothing else until I re-examined the cloud and my SSD iPad storage. The SSD initially had the extra space I made, the iCloud had slightly less free space (I had copied the files to iCloud and deleted the originals on my iPad), and then my iPad’s SSD was invaded by iCloud.
iCloud took what was about the same amount of space, and all I can do is go by the ‘ipad storage’ tool in ‘settings’, and approximate that based on the blue band being enlarged by a certain proportion of the total storage, in my case 512Gb.
People have taken issue with all sorts of things - I can’t use the word ‘grab’ when speaking of iCloud’s appropriating of my SSD for god knows what purpose. But, I can tell you a commercial reason why Apple would make iCloud do this.
Apple don’t want people using the iCloud too much - if their users really could make full use of it, it wouldn’t cost $9.99 per month or whatever, it would have to be triple that. Having a reflex-action of shoving a pointless copy of whatever not-special files you try to dump on the iCloud, right back atcha to the User’s SSD is one way to make sure, there’s a built-in safety valve.
I really, really, don’t see what the arguers have to argue about. Do the test, or don’t.
If you don’t do the test, then don’t post about how I cannot be right, or I am not using my words appropriately, or whatever. Stick to the facts, if you want to avoid being accused of hyperbola. Mind you, only certain people use the word ‘hyperbola’ and I am not one.
If you DO do the test of moving/copying a large chunk of files to the iCloud from an Apple mobile device - I am sorry I got you into this, and you at least, my lonely friend, can have a ‘grown-up’ debate with me here, as the foolhardy or brave one to put their money where their mouth was.
I genuinely am amazed at the heat generated, by people who stoutly refuse to make the effort/take the risk, of repeating my experiment. Just prove me a fraud - go on, move/copy 100Gb or so of files, and come back and report how it’s all nonsense.
This has the added advantage, that you can then explain to me, in your grown-up way with your proper words presumably, exactly what you did, that got around the issue of the iCloud squatting on your Apple device’s SSD.
LASTLY, it’s gotten worse. The actual issue, of iCloud gobbling up my SSD, sorry copying endlessly, Gigabytes of recently-used files to my SSD in case I need to access them more easily (! that’s a laugh). So here’s the present dire situation…
All I care about really, is my GarageBand app. And this phenomenon (using my words) has gripped my iPad so it is crippled - sorry, applications only run partially, and data gets corrupted, and the actions and activities normally undergone by the iPad when using these applications, are no longer functioning satisfactorily.
In short, these are the things that now do not work, and GarageBand is why I bought the device…
Because you can essentially, replicate what ‘share’ does, in creating a stereo output file from a GB song, we can tell this. Normally, GB would tell me while doing the ‘share’ if it had dropped off an Audio Unit. Now however, it does not do even this. To get the error message, even, I have to be inside the GB song editor/DAW and do the ‘merge’ function, but to ALL tracks. this seems to mimic the ‘share’ function youdo outside of the song editor of GB proper. So, that method prompts at bar 86 ‘Audio Unit is no longer functioning - reload or disable’ type message.
So I cannot even beat the system as it were.
My ENTIRE free space is now full of the blue band that represents iCloud usage. I have no control over it. The Apple support method involves deleting your files that you have on iCloud for safekeeping in the first place.
I will repeat my plea - please do the test, then you can come back and tell us all, how wrong I am. Generally, ‘conspiracy’ types, and ‘clickbaiting’ or ‘hyperbola’ types really don’t describe the problem in their headlines or thumbnails. I have neatly encapsulated the issues in my headline. Just prove me wrong - put me in my place.
I can’t say fairer than that. It’s totally above-board and a real issue. My iPad is now next to useless for the primary purpose it was bought for. I am so lucky it’s Apple software, or somebody would have a pop telling me it was the software that was causing it and nothing to do with Apple.
I am also urged to go onto facebook, and have some interaction because I can get into all sorts of ‘rants’ or conspiracies or something? Why. I have a technical issue, that especially afflicts music creators. It’s not unreasonable to think others could have the same issue, if they are not appraised of it. So, this is not a serious point - it is a string of derogatory insults, and deprecating comments and snide remarks, dressed-up.
Why dress it up. I don’t understand. Just do the test, and come back with all the info on how wrong I am. That’s surely the best put-down.
My best, keep well, stay safe.
irm/rg
Maybe it's time to shut this "discussion" down....??
I love the power of a good analogy.
Imagine the guy that hands out towels at a public pool. The towels are like RAM or Storage.
They are a resource that people want.
The towel guy just hands out towels until they are all consumed. Keeping towels back from
people that request one for someone that might want one later is silly if towels can just be washed and handed out continually with no one ever being disappointed because they want one BUT there's this policy to reserve them.
Now... RAM and storage are handed out until the system hits some predefined reservation limit.
iCloud will use storage to keep local copies for better performance. It will consume storage until there's not much left. BUT if someone needs local storage it will wash some
"towels" (i.e. delete local copies) and hand out more local towels.
This is a smart way to run cloud storage... keep as much local as possible to provide the
best performance. Now if you want to use iCloud for backup you will soon have more files in the cloud than your SSD can hold.
If I want files fast I don't put them in iCloud... like when I make instruments in AudioLayer. I use the local file option so loading an instrument doesn't take minutes to
restore.
People complain about never having any free memory like memory sitting idle when it could be doing something right now is a good thing. Memory can hold something or be filled with zeros. The consumption of power to hold data or the zeros is the same. It's like
holding back towels when someone is wet and wants one now.
I hope this idea of using freely available resources makes sense and can help someone
see that "using the SSD" for data just makes common sense. A file can be deleted so fast it's wise to cache local copies to improve application performance.
I'll leave Apple out of this discussion since these concepts are true of all electronic devices
that use any form of storage (cache, RAM, SSD, hard drives, etc). Use it it's doing no one any
benefit. It's NOT like printed paper that can only be used ONCE. It's more like a whiteboard
that can hold words and drawings and be erased in nanoseconds.
Apple's iCloud has performance issues that are related to slow speed of getting you the data that's NOT local. Wanting to save space on your disk for later use is just bad engineering since the policy is to delete when the user needs more local storage. Of course, it appears that you don't have any storage... but all cloud storage that's local has a copy "up in the cloud" so even an SSD hardware failure doesn't cost you to ever loose data.
"I got a 2TB drive and only use 100GB... I'm saving up for more photos to be taken next year."
Face palm... (that's not necessary... put all your photos into cloud storage and take a lot of photos now).
Yes. I buy the largest iCloud storage they sell and try to point all my data intensive apps towards "backup in the cloud" for safety sake.
There are 2 types of computer users:
1) Those that have lost data
2) Those that will loose data.
iCloud keeps you in category #2 for as along as possible.
Sorry, but posting a brief description of your problems with iCloud isn't enough.
Can you plese give us some details
I’ve had a problematic sync situation recently with the song lyrics I’ve taken most of the summer to finish, and the other day I called it finished, only to find the next day that the version I also had open on the MBP was a prior version and then when I made a correction, so was the iPad’s version that version.
Luckily, Pages allowed me to nip back to a prior saved version, which in my case was fairly clear when it was that I finished (end of the previous day) so I restored it to that point. Now all is well again, and these are truly the best lyrics I’ve ever written. It’s also taught me to never take a previous song I no longer like, and rewrite the lyrics into an entirely new song. It took most of the year and put everything else creative on hold!
When I first started using iCloud years ago I imagined it was some kind of roll-backable cloud storage, but when I needed to jump back a version of some file I discovered it couldn’t – the version I was at was the only one. Now I see that it’s up to the app to offer that functionality. In the case of Apple Apps such as Pages (and others I imagine) this seems a good scheme – look at the app to roll back versions, instead of looking at the cloud storage to offer that.
Probably doesn’t work well with non-Apple apps though.