MOZAIC - Create your own AU MIDI plugins - OUT NOW!

electri_fire · December 2021

@espiegel123 said:

@electri_fire said:

@hes said:

This is a first stab at it. Untested, but I think it's close. I'm assuming you're wanting to control the AUM volume faders for each channel.

Thanks hes,
When testing, AUM fader1 snaps to maximum, fader2 and fader3 snap to zero, regardless of initial fader settings or Mozaic knob0 position.

The Mozaic log displays:

[OnKnobChange] Syntax Error: unknown or invalid argument "GETKNOBVAL"

Try putting parenthesis around GetKnobValue and its parameter

(GetKnobValue LastKnob)

Same result, but now the log sais:

[OnKnobChange] Syntax Error: unknown or invalid argument "(GETKNOBVAL LASTKNOB)"

brambos · December 2021

@electri_fire said:

@espiegel123 said:

@electri_fire said:

@hes said:

This is a first stab at it. Untested, but I think it's close. I'm assuming you're wanting to control the AUM volume faders for each channel.

Thanks hes,
When testing, AUM fader1 snaps to maximum, fader2 and fader3 snap to zero, regardless of initial fader settings or Mozaic knob0 position.

The Mozaic log displays:

[OnKnobChange] Syntax Error: unknown or invalid argument "GETKNOBVAL"

Try putting parenthesis around GetKnobValue and its parameter

(GetKnobValue LastKnob)

Same result, but now the log sais:

[OnKnobChange] Syntax Error: unknown or invalid argument "(GETKNOBVAL LASTKNOB)"

Try GetKnobValue instead

espiegel123 · December 2021

@brambos said:

@electri_fire said:

@espiegel123 said:

@electri_fire said:

@hes said:

This is a first stab at it. Untested, but I think it's close. I'm assuming you're wanting to control the AUM volume faders for each channel.

Thanks hes,
When testing, AUM fader1 snaps to maximum, fader2 and fader3 snap to zero, regardless of initial fader settings or Mozaic knob0 position.

The Mozaic log displays:

[OnKnobChange] Syntax Error: unknown or invalid argument "GETKNOBVAL"

Try putting parenthesis around GetKnobValue and its parameter

(GetKnobValue LastKnob)

Same result, but now the log sais:

[OnKnobChange] Syntax Error: unknown or invalid argument "(GETKNOBVAL LASTKNOB)"

Try GetKnobValue instead

Maybe, I shouldn't read code before drinking coffee

electri_fire · December 2021

Try GetKnobValue instead

Awsome, now works exactly as I wanted it to, thank you so much all.

DblU · May 2022

Hey (first post here)

i was wondering if there is the possibility to have the knob values updated from, let’s say an AU.

What I am trying to achieve is: have a 8 or (X) knob/fader controller in Mozaic. Which are mapped to a AU. Then, when I change one mapped value from this AU in the AU.

I would like to have the knob value in Mozaic also updated.

The main goal would be, to have a 8 knob controller and some pads, which send notes, so be able to control the 8 macros of an Ableton rack.
I already got the 8 knobs controlling the 8 macros by a simple User Remote script for Ableton, which automatically controls the first 8 parameters. By switching the Racks (with notes/pads) the knobs in Ableton chance aswell. So it would be quite handy to have the values from the Ableton knobs updated within my Mozaic Controller

I am 99,5% new to coding & already through the manual. I guess this could be done with the getknobvalue but I cannot figure out how to get/read the values from the AU.

Would be great if someone could help me out a bit.

Kind regards

A

Alfred · May 2022

The knobs in the au would have to send midi out for mozaic to pick it up.
If you control the au with an external controller then you could route the external controller through mozaic. But picking up what the mouse changed will be impossble if the au does not give midi feedback, wich most do not.

pejman · October 2022

Hi
Please help me .

I don't know if this question has been asked before or not.
Mozaic doesn’t save state of knobs faders, ... , in cubasis 2. As midi plugin AUV3 . For example i select one preset , and adjust or change some of knobs as desired . And then close cubasis 2 , When I open cubasis again , there is mozaic with same preset but it exists in default preset mode . There is no this problem in auriapro app . I always use other midi plugins auv3 in Cubasis 2. But they do not have such a problem . Where is the problem? Please help , Because this problem is really annoying .

Pejman

_ki · October 2022

@pejman

Mozaic‘s state saving depends on the script.

In general Moazic saves all faders, knobs, labels etc in the session - but some scripts don‘t ‚guard‘ their variable intialization with an if unassigned xxx and therefore overwrite everything with their own defaults in the OnLoad

pejman · October 2022

@_ki said:
@pejman

Mozaic‘s state saving depends on the script.

In general Moazic saves all faders, knobs, labels etc in the session - but some scripts don‘t ‚guard‘ their variable intialization with an if unassigned xxx and therefore overwrite everything with their own defaults in the OnLoad

Hi ki

Thank you for your quick reply.

You are right, But one question remains. Why state saving is the same preset that does not work in cubasis. In auria pro, it saves the situations correctly.?

_ki · October 2022

If for the same script state-saving works in Auria Pro, but not in Cubasis that would be weird. Is that script published on patchstorage ?

Maybe i find the time to have a look - i have both AuriaPro and Cubasis 2/3

_ki · October 2022

I just loaded one of my Mozaic scripts (that implement state-save) into the MidiEffects slot of the default midi track of a fresh project, setup some internal settings (knobs, states etc) and closed Cubasis 3. Upon restart of Cubasis, the correct settings were restored.

Also checked that they were restored when loading another project and then switching back to my MozaicTest project.

pejman · October 2022

@_ki said:
I just loaded one of my Mozaic scripts (that implement state-save) into the MidiEffects slot of the default midi track of a fresh project, setup some internal settings (knobs, states etc) and closed Cubasis 3. Upon restart of Cubasis, the correct settings were restored.

Also checked that they were restored when loading another project and then switching back to my MozaicTest project.

I apologize for the delay .

Yes, I made a mistake somewhere.
My preset hasn’t ( if unassigned xxx ) and for some of knobs has ( SetKnobValue ) and for some of knobs hasn’t it . Therefore, those knobs that don’t have ( setknobvalue ) are kept in their position ( state saving ) in both cubasis an auria pro . That is, my preset works exactly the same in both cubase and auriapro .
I’m not a coder . Does adding this ( if unassigned ) in my preset require many changes?
For having both options ( setknobvalue ) on load and ( if unassigned ) . This preset is for humanizing note delay and random velocity.

Humaniz with control knobs
via cc’s

@Onload

// change these to the cc's you want to use
mintimecc = 13
maxtimecc = 14
minvelcc = 15
maxvelcc = 16
minvaluecc = 17
maxvaluecc = 18

ShowLayout 0

LabelKnobs {humaniz}
LabelKnob 0, {min time}
LabelKnob 1, {max time}
LabelKnob 2, {min vel}
LabelKnob 3, {max vel}
LabelKnob 5, {set min value}
LabelKnob 6, {set max value}

SetKnobValue 0, 0
SetKnobValue 5, 0
SetKnobValue 6, 64
SetKnobValue 3, 100

@End

@OnMidiCC
if MIDIByte2 = mintimecc
SetKnobValue 0, MIDIByte3
elseif MIDIByte2 = maxtimecc
SetKnobValue 1, MIDIByte3
elseif MIDIByte2 = minvelcc
SetKnobValue 2, MIDIByte3
elseif MIDIByte2 = maxvelcc
SetKnobValue 3, MIDIByte3
elseif MIDIByte2 = minvaluecc
SetKnobValue 5, MIDIByte3
elseif MIDIByte2 = maxvaluecc
SetKnobValue 6, MIDIByte3
else
// comment this out if you don’t want other cc’s to pass thru
SendMIDIThru
endif
@End

@OnMIDINoteOn
Maxval = TranslateScale ( GetKnobValue 6 ), 0, 127, 0, 500
Minval = TranslateScale ( GetKnobValue 5 ), 0, 127, 0, 500
delayMax = TranslateScale (GetKnobValue 1), 0, 127, 0, Maxval
delayMin = TranslateScale (GetKnobValue 0), 0, 127, 0, Minval
delay = Random delayMin, delayMax
vel = Random (GetKnobValue 2), (GetKnobValue 3)
SendMIDINoteOn MIDIChannel, MIDINote, vel, delay

// remember the delay we're using for Note Off
SetNoteState MIDIChannel, MIDINote, delay

@End

@OnMIDINoteOff
// get the delay we used for this note
delay = GetNoteState MIDIChannel, MIDINote
SendMIDINoteOff MIDIChannel, MIDINote, 0, delay
@End

wim · October 2022

Hi @pejman - Normally I wouldn't answer a question directed at someone else, but it's been some time since your post, so I expect it's probably late in @_ki 's timezone.

What you need to do is check the @OnLoad and add something to check whether this is a new load of the script or not. In your case:

  SetKnobValue 0, 0
  SetKnobValue 5, 0
  SetKnobValue 6, 64
  SetKnobValue 3, 100

Should be changed to:

if Unassigned init
  init = YES
  SetKnobValue 0, 0
  SetKnobValue 5, 0
  SetKnobValue 6, 64
  SetKnobValue 3, 100
endif

The purpose of this is to make it so those knobs are only set on a brand new load of the script. I chose the name init for the variable we will check to do that, but you can call it anything you like. init has no value when the script is first loaded. It is Unassigned because until that if statement, we haven't assigned it any value.

Once we drop into the statements inside the if block, we set a value for this variable: init = YES. Now, whenever the script reloads from a saved session, the if block will be skipped and the knobs won't be set to their default value.

I hope that helps. The manual, page 12, does a much better job of explaining than I can.

pejman · October 2022

@wim said:
Hi @pejman - Normally I wouldn't answer a question directed at someone else, but it's been some time since your post, so I expect it's probably late in @_ki 's timezone.

Hi @wim .
Very very thanks for help and useful information 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏.

_ki · October 2022

@wim Thanks for answering/jumping in. I‘m still at work now, so an analysis and answer from my side would have taken some more hours 😀

pejman · October 2022

@_ki said:
@wim Thanks for answering/jumping in. I‘m still at work now, so an analysis and answer from my side would have taken some more hours 😀

you are the best 🙏🙏🙏🙏

pejman · December 2022

Hello friends.

I have a problem with midiflow forum .

I have successfully completed the register twice, in midiflow forum, But I can't use the new topic section.

Every time I press New Topic, this box opens for me

I can't communicate with them through email either.
Because their email refers me to their forum, automatically.

Are there any of you in this forum? that I can communicate with them through you.

or someone who is related to the developer of midiflow app. ( Johannes ) .
Please help me .🙏

vdk_john · February 2023

Hello,
I'm I right in thinking that the current event flow is OnNewBeat -> OnMetroPulse -> OnMidiInput ?

I'm trying to read a note "on the beat" and based on the note, play the note out right away, however because the "pulse" event happens before, I'm getting the note information on pulse late... Is there a different event I should use?

Thanks

Edit: seems a way around this is to set a higher PPQN and (re-)trigger the note on the second pulse

wim · February 2023

The midi events @OnMidiInput, @OnMidiNote, etc. are completely independent of @OnNewBeat, etc.

I don't know what you're trying to do, but if all you're trying to do is check a note and send it out under certain conditions, you don't need to involve the metronome at all. Something like this is sufficient.

Note, examples below were not tested and were typed directly on the forum, so could have syntax and other errors.

@OnMidiNote
  if MIDINote = <some condition>
    SendMIDIThru
  endif
@Endif

You only need to involve the metronome if you're trying to detect where the note is in relation to the beat. For this I suggest capturing the system time to a variable when the beat happens and when the note happens, then comparing them.

@OnLoad
  tolerance = 60  //our tolerance for lateness
@End

@OnNewBeat
  lastBeat = SystemTime
@End

@OnMidiNoteOn
  noteOnTime = SystemTime
  if noteOnTime - lastBeat < tolerance
    SendMidiThru
  else
    Log {Sorry bud! Too late.}
  endif
@End

The script Live Quantize deals with metronome and note timing. It might be worth looking at.

Oh, and in the comments for that one someone referenced another "accuracy" based script that could be even better. I haven't looked at it myself yet, but ... https://patchstorage.com/midiq/

McD · February 2023

@pejman said:
Hello friends.

I have a problem with midiflow forum .

I have successfully completed the register twice, in midiflow forum, But I can't use the new topic section.

Every time I press New Topic, this box opens for me

I can't communicate with them through email either.
Because their email refers me to their forum, automatically.

Are there any of you in this forum? that I can communicate with them through you.

or someone who is related to the developer of midiflow app. ( Johannes ) .
Please help me .🙏

It looks like that Forum was mothballed in Nov, 2021. No new posts after that date.
You should post in this as a new thread here to reach the widest audience of "experts" possible.

Mozaic lovers are a small group compared to forum.audiob.us members.

McD · February 2023

@wim said:
The midi events @OnMidiInput, @OnMidiNote, etc. are completely independent of @OnNewBeat, etc.

I don't know what you're trying to do, but if all you're trying to do is check a note and send it out under certain conditions, you don't need to involve the metronome at all. Something like this is sufficient.

Note, examples below were not tested and were typed directly on the forum, so could have syntax and other errors.
@OnMidiNote
  if MIDINote = <some condition>
    SendMIDIThru
  endif
@Endif
You only need to involve the metronome if you're trying to detect where the note is in relation to the beat. For this I suggest capturing the system time to a variable when the beat happens and when the note happens, then comparing them.
@OnLoad
  tolerance = 60  //our tolerance for lateness
@End

@OnNewBeat
  lastBeat = SystemTime
@End

@OnMidiNoteOn
  noteOnTime = SystemTime
  if noteOnTime - lastBeat < tolerance
    SendMidiThru
  else
    Log {Sorry bud! Too late.}
  endif
@End
The script Live Quantize deals with metronome and note timing. It might be worth looking at.

Oh, and in the comments for that one someone referenced another "accuracy" based script that could be even better. I haven't looked at it myself yet, but ... https://patchstorage.com/midiq/

O love this type of reply... it builds a database of useful clues.

vdk_john · February 2023

@wim said:
The script Live Quantize deals with metronome and note timing. It might be worth looking at.

Oh, and in the comments for that one someone referenced another "accuracy" based script that could be even better. I haven't looked at it myself yet, but ... https://patchstorage.com/midiq/

Many thanks @wim

I'll have to check those examples with a fresh mind, but I really appreciate the detailed answer!

The solution I came up with seems to work for my use case, but happy to change it if it can be improved. I'll share the script once I finish it.

wim · March 2023

Hey @brambos - fyi there's an error in the documentation and the in-app syntax description for the SendMIDIBankSelect action. They state that the syntax is SendMIDIBankSelect <chan>, <value> [,<delay>] when actually it's SendMIDIBankSelect <chan>, <MSB> ,<LSB>. LSB may be optional, I don't know for sure.

Took me a couple of hours to figure out what was causing an issue for someone in the Basic MIDI Controls v1.2 script. It turns out that I must have figured this out back when I wrote the script since I was always sending 0 for the MSB, but after all this time I had forgotten.

So ... posting here for anyone else that might run into this, and so that hopefully it can be corrected if you push an update to the app and docs.

_ki · March 2023

@wim Good find that the Mozaic manual shows a different/wrong definition. The in-app syntax list shows the correct version SendMIDIBankSelect <chan>, <MSB>, <LSB> [,<delay_in_milliseconds>]

I immediately checked my Mozaic Language Support package: Both the syntax checker and code completion use the in-app definition.

.

LSB isn‘t marked as [ optional ]. In case of missing trailing parameters, Mozaic doesn’t produce a syntax error but uses a default value for the parameter - in most cases a zero.

wim · March 2023

@_ki said:
@wim Good find that the Mozaic manual shows a different/wrong definition. The in-app syntax list shows the correct version SendMIDIBankSelect <chan>, <MSB>, <LSB> [,<delay_in_milliseconds>]

I immediately checked my Mozaic Language Support package: Both the syntax checker and code completion use the in-app definition.

.

LSB isn‘t marked as [ optional ]. In case of missing trailing parameters, Mozaic doesn’t produce a syntax error but uses a default value for the parameter - in most cases a zero.

Thanks, that clears up a lot! You're right about the in-app syntax checker, I checked it too quickly since I never use it since I edit in Textastic. At the time I did notice your Textastic language support didn't like there not being at least three parameters, so supplied zero there, further confusing my troubleshooting.

Anyway, thankfully it's all sorted now, and it's only a documentation bug, nothing to worry about in the app.

McD · March 2023

@wim said:

@_ki said:
@wim Good find that the Mozaic manual shows a different/wrong definition. The in-app syntax list shows the correct version SendMIDIBankSelect <chan>, <MSB>, <LSB> [,<delay_in_milliseconds>]

Guys… what apps support “Bank Select”. I recall trying to use the MSB, LSB values for iSymphonic using an update for Xequence(1) that @SevenSystems was so kind to create quickly for me. I couldn’t get it to work but I’d like to try it with Mozaic
Since I have scripts that I’d like to dial in the right sounds for “Instant Orchestra” purposes.

@_Ki’s “ MULTI-DIVISI v1.2 ” Mozaic script (which implies splitting a chord across multiple channels/instruments) is perfect in the processing chain to do this. I begged the developer of “Suggester” to add divisi as an output option but he didn’t see a large base for the use case. So, Suggester output into @_Ki’s MULTI-DIVISI v1.2 script routed in Cubasis for creating a multi-channel MIDI file. In AUM you can just route the MULTI-DIVISI v1.2 output to instruments set to focus on specific MIDI channels. Good for any orchestral ensemble you like.

wim · March 2023

@McD said:

@wim said:

@_ki said:
@wim Good find that the Mozaic manual shows a different/wrong definition. The in-app syntax list shows the correct version SendMIDIBankSelect <chan>, <MSB>, <LSB> [,<delay_in_milliseconds>]

Guys… what apps support “Bank Select”. I recall trying to use the MSB, LSB values for iSymphonic using an update for Xequence(1) that @SevenSystems was so kind to create quickly for me. I couldn’t get it to work but I’d like to try it with Mozaic
Since I have scripts that I’d like to dial in the right sounds for “Instant Orchestra” purposes.

I don't know which apps specifically make use of MSB but there is a thread about Bank Select support in general. I wearied of looking through it before finding that out.

The one that I now know does make use of the MSB is DrumJam - sort of. DrumJam actually requires the MSB to select between only setting the kit (MSB=0), Factory Presets (MSB=1), and User Presets (MSB=2). Those high level categories can then have banks within them which are selected with the LSB. Program Change selects presets within the sub-banks.

McD · March 2023

@wim said:
The one that I now know does make use of the MSB is DrumJam - sort of. DrumJam actually requires the MSB to select between only setting the kit (MSB=0), Factory Presets (MSB=1), and User Presets (MSB=2). Those high level categories can then have banks within them which are selected with the LSB. Program Change selects presets within the sub-banks.

Nice.I love DrumJam and I bought a lot of these instrument packs down on the bottom left. It will be fun to dial though those instruments to build a nice rhythmic track.

espiegel123 · March 2023

I think LayR uses msb and/or lsb

McD · March 2023

@espiegel123 said:
I think LayR uses msb and/or lsb

Really. Never clicked with that one but I appreciate the heads up to use it as a shooting target.

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