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ok,one Tonestack is enough then (for me)
Funny that, you'd think that creating a distorted effect would be easier than some of the more complex ones. The phasers for example are really big and warm sounding.
It's really buggy as IAA in Cubasis (empty project) unfortunately :-( should have tested before i bought motherload.Crashes and freezes,can't get it to work.Bummer.
looks like it's still on sale - I hope it is still when I get home from work later today - I was too busy the past day or so to pick the motherload up!
It's actually just the opposite. Time delays and phase shifts are easy to do in the digital domain. The complex waveforms that make up a good distortion sound are incredibly difficult.
Yes, the phasers are really nice. Big Tremor too.
I'm quite impressed so far.I don't use the amps but all other stuff and there are a lot of nice fx and even a bit longer (2 bus) FX chains eats quite nothing of my cpu.I guess the ABY utility will be my most important module,it's a hell lot of fun to create huge stereo patches.Definitely not regretting my purchase.I just hope IAA in cubasis will get fixed asap.I already sent them a mail.Best case scenario:Rim would just release Auria Pro ASAP
Oh ok. Even so I thought they'd be able to do this considering they're doing something similar with the amp gains and EQ's - oh well, hopefully they'll improve these now there's a bit more competition.
Seems to be working fine in Auria.
It has crashed on me a couple of times now (not via Auria), but I was doing a lot of experimenting and effect swapping. Even so the CPU usage is very low, I'm struggling to get it over 10%. Definitely a bonus for older pads.
Yes,it's fine in Auria here as well.
Here's some presets I made for Tonestack, There are eight of them, they are in a heavy / hard rock style.
(They are named Pk1 to Pk8, in 'Pk presets').
As I understand it, the easiest way to get them into Tonestack, is to email them to yourself and open in Tonestack.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k13s1g38cx98fhv/Pk Presets.tban?dl=0
I'm having a lot of fun with Tonestack. (Thank you, Jessie, for that sale on Motherlode!) I would gladly pay more for a couple of new functions:
IAA instruments in the signal chain (like Bias FX has now)
Some form of tone-sharing. This is one of my favorite things about JamUp Pro.
Having a lot of fun emulating ripped speaker tones from my guitar through Cubasis. Only had one freeze up early on. Mostly has worked ok @Crabman are you stressing it out with tons of effects?
@Jocphone: sorry,didn't notice your question.Nope,even with a bit more complex patches it takes literally"nothing"on air 2.
Anybody having experience with their support?I wrote them a couple of weeks ago but i never got a reply (i HATE that).Still not working as IAA in Cubasis.So it's still quite useless to me.At least until Auria Pro shows up...someday.
No problem. I will try it again tonight but have had no real problem with ToneStack as IAA in Cubasis on Air 1, 8.3
I'm very happy with Tonestack - it does seem to need loading in twice when I add it to an AB chain but overall really pleased with it.
Weird,i'm also on 8.3 but Air 2.As soon as i open the app as an insert = crash
Then i remove the sad rest of tonestack from the task bar and open it as an insert again.This time i can open tonestacks edit panel but the signal is (still)not processed by the TS FX.Switching to another preset leads to an endless"loading"sign.If i switch back and forth (cubasis/tonestack) via taskbar the loading screen disappeared but the old preset is still there and the whole app frozen.Than everything crashes again...i can repeat this every time.
I get the same as you @crabman. BUT if I open Tonestack before Cubasis , then use it as an insert effect all seems to be ok.
Air 2 here, 8.3. Tonestack works fine as an IAA insert. No crashes, can change presets with no issues.
What I have noticed though is that ToneStack is one of the apps that hangs around after closing the host. You need to reopen it and close it.
Just tried it again @Crabman no problem. Closed all apps. Opened Cubasis. Create a new song. Create a midi track. Leave it on piano and draw in some notes. Add ToneStack as an insert effect.. It has a spinner for a couple of seconds and then there is a horrible distorted crackling noise which tells me my favourite preset has loaded. Can switch to ToneStack and try out different presets and switch back to Cubasis with no issues. Kinda weird as the only difference seems to be that you are on the newer Air.
oh,that's a neat"old"trick but for some reason i never thought about that in this case
Thanks for the heads up,i'll give it a try.
@Fitz:you are still talking about Cubasis 1.9,right?Cause it's working for me in Auria,just not in Cubasis.The app behavior (after closing the host)is normal though.Every IAA needs to be force closed manually,no matter if you opened the edit panel or not.It will stay in the background otherwise.
Yes Cubasis 1.9. Tried it with Steel Guitar as instrument, through Tone Stack with no problem. It didn't like when I changed instrument (to ifretless guitar) so I just restarted it with no problems. Not thoroughly tested though. Just to see if it would work.
Also, I don't always have to force close apps I use in IAA. Just sometimes (Flux FX for example), but ToneStack always it seems.
That's weird,never heard about that.I'm not a developer but it shouldn't work by design cause apple doesn't ALLOW (as annoying as it is...it's not a bug) apps to completely close (removing from the task bar) other apps.Has to do with the sandbox thingy me thinks.Can you give an example of an app that completely quit when shutting down cubasis(or Auria)?You know that apps are invisible (when loading a project that contains IAA) until you bring their panel to the foreground?If these apps don't have an input (in this case you'll see the red bar at the top of the screen after closing cubasis but that doesn't count for synths obviously and only if microphone input is enabled for this app) the only way to see them is with system tools like Cmemory or ActMonitor.They are NOT visible in the task bar.Maybe you know all of this already,just want to be sure
I have not ONE IAA that shuts down automatically...
Was wondering the same @ Crabman.
@Crabman, sorry but your explanation is news to me, so trying to get my head around this.
So if I use IAA instruments and they are open in the background (I can see them), I obviously have to close them. But if they are there on the track, but I haven't opened them up and therefore I can't see them if I double click the home button, then if I close Auria, they are still open somewhere? And I need to open them up separately and close them every time?
I've just checked Xynthesizer, which found 5 app open somewhere ready for midi, including ToneStack. But there was never any red bar at the top of the screen. Sometimes though the red bar appears and tells me ToneStack is running even if it's not visible in the background, and I therefore need to open and close it. I guess this is what I mean. It's still surprising that I have 5 apps open and ready to receive midi, but none of them seem to affect me (I can't see any red bar, they work as normal etc), yet other times they seem to appear as if they are running, and I therefore need to do something with them (in this case close it). If that makes sense.
As I understand it the concept was that you would be able to have IAA apps running in the background without the overhead of loading the GUI.
Downside is it's hard to tell which ones have been left running.
Unfortunately this is exactly what i mean,yes.
In other words,you have to remember all IAAs you had used in a saved project and make sure you open each of them at least once after you reload the project.Otherwise they will stay in the background and are not visible,possibly causing trouble when you try to open them a second time.This and the fact that there is no total recall for IAAs makes sure that i bounce pretty much everything to audiotracks asap.
The red bar comes only from apps that have an input (like FX apps or DAWs )and only if the input is enabled (and the option to run in the background needs to be on as well)
@Crabman, that's not a great system, but I guess we knew that!
I've got into the habit (or am getting in to the habit) of making presets of everything I do, knowing that when I reopen an Auria project I'll never know what I will find. Occasionally there is a stall on reopening then 1 of the IAA instruments fails to open, which I guess is what you are talking about. Having the presets limits the damage though.
All part of the fun I suppose (if you can see it like that). Thanks for helping my understanding.
you're welcome.Yes,this system is anything else than perfect but i still prefer to look at it like"glass is half full not half empty".It's definitely better than having NO IAA
But this is one more reason why i'm so much looking forward to Auria Pro.I already own most plugins from Fabfilter,PSP etc and being able to use great synths/sampler in a closed and reliable (total recall) environment as well is what i'm missing most.Rumours says the focus of iOS 9 will be mainly on maintenance and i hope they will improve the IAA behavior as well.I assume the devs at apple knows that it's only a half baked solution in it's current state.