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I go to a DI or straight to HiZ on the console. Out to interface and from there I run a chain along the lines of, input leveling, any dynamic or overdrive/distortion effects, amp, spatial and modulation effects, cabinet. Then sometimes more subtle tweaking with further compressions, eq and tonal effects (e.g. saturation). On iOS I would try to achieve the same but to be honest I'd probably just go straight to amp (THU). If I use Artera I'd more than likely limit the number of extra plugins and begrudgingly put spatial effects after the cabinet.
Thanks a lot man
@wim @Ailerom cheers!
Messed around a bit more today. Definitely get what you mean when you say the ios amps themselves sound kinda bad without a cab, and more times than not my ear likes the sound without any sim at all a bit more, sometimes with just a preamp. And currently agree that the best approach would be to just treat it like real life when it comes to chaining, and then micromanage if something sounds off. It is kinda nice being able to have an “fx loop” and easily switch stuff after the amps if you choose to.
Where practical a loop should be mandatory.
Pretty interesting and useful info on EQing guitar tone. I'm not good with this so, what do you think? You can skip to about 15 minutes in where he does everything in one set while explaining (again).
Whenever I see someone cutting octaves and half of the harmonics and generally calling this ‘muddy,’ 🤦♂️ I take any advice from that person with a grain of salt.
Whenever I see someone talking about eq (or anything really) as if there is only one way to do it I start to lose interest.
Alright, I have a hard time mixing rhythm guitar and I haven't tried his approach yet. Just wanted to hear what you (and others) thought.
Does he though, I heard e.g "depending on your amp" and also some people do it like this and some like that. I dunno, as I said: I know very little about this and I might not have the ears for it either. Anyway, appreciate your input.
"Essential eq spots", "perfect metal guitar tone." Other factors to consider first are many and varied such as tuning, riff location on the neck, mix context, amps used, genre, what the bass is doing, what type of vocalist. I guess if you have a sound and that's it you can stick to a general approach. I think the most relevant information was that which can be applied to anything, clean up the mud, warmth, clarity. He was mixing a low heavy brutal metal tone. There are some typical areas to work on but I find there are always unique spots I want to cut or poke up through the mix. Then again, I have no success and my guitars sound like shit. I rarely use the same guitar tone twice (a big regret of mine). But I feel that every band I like sounds different tonally in the guitars so, I just can't see the point of a this is how it's done approach. The video shows how he does it, and how to eq if you want the same sound. But ultimately, he had a tough metal sound going so well done I guess. I'm not criticizing, I just feel that learning to hunt down the frequencies needed to get the sound you want is more of a useful way to approach eq.
@yellow_eyez did it come yet? If so what’s the verdict?
I don't know if I asked this already but what did you have? I love the tele SC so can't see me selling, ever. Plus it's my only extended range so I have to keep it. I did just pick up one of these. Did the trade thing so it was a bit of a bargain. I have to say I'm extremely happy with it. Did I see you are getting something new?
I hear you, for me it was just useful to see it I guess, you know I open Fab Eq and use the presets because I have no clue how and what to change. It's not how I like it, I usually want to make things my own, in mixing that's quite limited I've come to learn. Again, I appreciate your engaging. 😃
I get loads of these from various sources in my feed so I guess i must have watched one or two and forgot to delete the history.
I'm learning as Squish always say.. 😅
I've got a pretty good ear after many years for knowing what range I'm looking to cut or boost. That said I don't have great vision for the sound I want. I tend to do a lot of sweeping to find frequencies I like (to boost) or frequencies I don't like (to cut). ProQ is great for this with the frequency solo option. Another handy tool is a 31 Band eq. If I'm happy with a sound I might still go through the bands one by one to listen out for anything that I've overlooked. Anything less than 31 I find too limited for this purpose.
Beautiful guitar and with a Floyd. I miss having a guitar with a Floyd
I sold a 3.5k+ Ernie Ball with a FR not so long ago. Amazing guitar that I never thought I'd sell. Vowed never to buy another FR. The drop D toggle and decked FR was what made me change my mind.
Got an Earthquaker Devices Hizumitas today. Hooked it up along with a Boss RE-2 for tape echo and a Digitech Freqout so that I get feedback to sustain notes further.
Holy crap is it a huge fuzz sound! Probably just noodled for an hour, but don’t record it. Probably should have done and I could have constructed something from the various parts. Next time maybe…
Nice man! I would love to hear those results, sounds like a wombo combo! Do you have an octave pedal to make things even wilder?! Haha
Don’t need an octave pedal with this - it has one of the best frequency sweeps of any tone knob I have heard - you can go from high end fizz to deep rumbling fuzz. It’s actually recommended for either guitar or bass.
I was playing my 7 string through it (tuned to drop A) and that low string still has clarity!
What is drop A to you? My tuning world went crazy recently when teenagers around me started to use tuning terms that were new to me. Now I don't know what's what. Drop A to me would mean A, E, A, D, G, B, E. But, I've also heard people call A, D, G, C, F, A, D drop A.
Same as you assume - dropping the low B down to an A, which seems like the common definition of drop-anything to me.
I have heard of some weird ones recently too, but I can’t figure out the benefit of them from the perspective of being open tunings or making certain chords easier to play.
That's good to know. I thought maybe I'd lost something with the new generation of guitar terminology.
In an unfortunate turn of events, the luthier decided his guitar was worth double what he charged me.
He actually sold it to a “colleague” (to put it one way loosely) who began to flaunt the purchase in a taunting manner.
I realized I was being duped or conned or scammed one way or the other and showed the luthier the screenshots who went dark on me while conducting business as usual with said “colleague.”
The luthier finally refunded the money when he saw that I had proof that he not only reneged on our agreement, and not only was ignoring me completely for weeks despite my inquiries while he was actively selling the guitar I built and designed to someone I knew who showed me, and finally sold it…
All in all, it was a nightmare because I didnt know where I stood, and what was happening with my huge purchase. Im quite shocked and mortified at his behavior, but I’m glad I didn’t do business with him after all.
Thanks for asking though man!
Lovely axe! That has the d-tuna?
The 8 string carpenter I traded for my current Aristides 080s (8 string) was the Stef B8
https://www.espguitars.com/products/17066-stef-b-8-fluence
On the flip side, I was very fortunate that my last 3 trades turned out to be the clinchers. I am totally happy with my stock now including the 7 string esp custom shop and the 6 and 8 string Aristides I just got over the past 6 months, some of the quickest, highest value trades I ever did, but they were worth it and paid off….i can safely say im out of the GAS business for good (yeah I know famous last words lol)
Yes it has the D-tuna. I think without that I wouldn't have bought it.
Your 8 string SC is the shape I wanted but the Tele popped into my lap. I always wonder if the one you had weighed a ton like the Tele does. I reckon it's heavier than the Les Paul.
Out of the GAS for guitars? Bold statement indeed. I'm in the same mindset but I dare not utter the words.
It wasn’t light that’s for sure. I think it was my heaviest guitar ever, and while it was of the highest level quality you could want or imagine, it wasn’t for me. I bought it at a time I didn’t really know what I fully wanted out of an 8 string and there were very few high end options available, I think as of 2018/2019 that 8 string could be considered the most valuable or high quality 8 on the market besides the Ibanez rg2228.
Look man, out of GAS? That’s a little crazy to say but what I meant was I’ll never have enough gas to pull the trigger on another axe man. Like I have two 7 strings, and 8 string and 5 of the most incredible 6 strings the electric guitar world has ever seen. Each with a different set of pickups, a different bridge, or different string configurations. [I only repeated two sets of pickups (Dimarzio air Norton/tone zone and EMG 81/85) but one is on a fretless guitar and the other is on a 7 string] . There is nothing for me to get that wouldn’t be some reiteration of what I already have since I know what I like now and wouldn’t want to keep getting different guitars. I kinda lost interest because now I see guitars in two ways: (1) guitars I would never play and (2) guitars I already have some version of. And since I’m a little bit of a snob now with my curated taste, there are no guitars under $2500 that I’m into, which makes it very easy to keep the thought of an arbitrary random purchase completely out of the realm of possibility with 3+ kids lol like it’s not like an app or piece of gear under $300 I could sneak in under the radar; my guitars are very obvious, and my wife knows them all well…so I hope that clarifies my GAS statement. It’s not that I’ll never want another guitar - I just know I’ll never want or need another guitar that could justify purchasing something out of the realm of logic and responsibility, (and honestly I would just feel foolish and immature further spending on guitars when I should just concentrate on playing the amazing 8 guitars I’ve painstakingly acquired over the past 25 years)*
This is the PERMANENT roster. There will never be a trade, sale, or give away of the following guitars
Guitar - pickups - bridge [special feature]
Aristides H/06 - Lundgren m6 - [headless multiscale Floyd]
Steinberger GL2T - EMG 81/85 - transtrem [rare improved transposing kahler on 1 piece carbon graphite body+neck]
Vigier Surfreter Supra - Dimarzio tz/an - hardtail [fretless guitar]
Ibanez rg7620 - Fluence carpenter - lo pro 7 [7 string Floyd aka universe jr]**
ESP twinkle pink snapper 7 - EMG 81/85 - flicker iii 7 [7 string “vega” trem, scalloped fingerboard]
Aristides 080s - BKP aftermath - hipshot fixed bridge 8 string
Ibanez Rg art - Dimarzio tone zone /air Norton - Lo Pro [1 of 12 made for NAMM]
ESP nyc custom shop - EMG 81/SA- OFR [michael Wilton’s famous “Empire” music video guitar]
*I still can’t believe I traded 5 guitars in the span of 6 months!!! That was over half of my 25 year legacy swapped in a matter of a season.
**except my RG7620, I promised my good friend (“e money”
)when he wanted a super high end/premium quality 7 string without wanting to break the bank, I would sell him my 7620 at a nominal fee - he deserves the best 7 string you can get for the best possible price, and I promised my 7620 I would only let her go to another loving home, to someone who really wanted and loved her and would appreciate her more than me, and I know he would absolutely love this guitar and I want him to have it. So instead of selling it for what the value is, I’m only charging him for what I paid for it. I told him instead of buying $300-500 guitars to quell his GAS just put it away, so in a year or two or whatever, he can get a guitar he would never usually have afforded (this guitar is worth over 1500 these days, and that’s not counting the totally brand new electronics, pickups, and custom wiring I had done which was $850 alone, besides the actual cost of the original guitar).
HA! In a stroke of luck, despite not getting the original Prototype of my own custom guitar build from that unscrupulous luthier, it turns out the lilac Aristides H/06r I got in the trade from April to is the ACTUAL prototype for the entire headless line ! So I got the first headless 6 string Aristides just by chance…now I see why he was so hesitant to let it go at the time!! Makes me feel a little better about the whole situation actually. Just thought I would share, my new guitar is kinda famous…legend bro lol
That's pretty crazy. Surely that makes it worth a LOT! At least more than #5687.
One thing I am not clear on with the ESP LTD line is the quality. I have no issues with my LTD SCT but I always thought of LTD in the same terms as Gibson/Epiphone, Fender/Squire, ESP/LTD. Like it was their budget brand. My SCT retails over 3k here in Australia which is by no means a budget guitar. And it feels every bit as high quality as my Strat, Gibson, EVH etc.
LTD is a strange thing. They are not just part of ESP they are ESP. I see esp and Ibanez as two peas in a pod, with interchangeable or similar style . Like Ibanez has their RG line, then the Rg prestige line and RG j custom line. Esp has LTD, then also Edward’s, then they have ESP USA and then ESP japan, again rising from lowest to highest tier. Just like Ibanez who I’m just a tad more familiar and longer with, they had phases of amazing production for all levels and then disappointing quality period. I think in the late 80s to early 90s LTD was great quality, dipped a bit from then to the 2000s, but then when the internet really opened up the doors for people to see releases immediately , quality rose again from the 2010s and perhaps has steadily continued to now(?) I haven’t played one recently but from what I hear the Edward’s and LTd builds are almost indistinguishable from their esp counterparts
Now ofc you WILL see a difference where it matters, namely the neck, fret crowning and dressing, neck setup, etc will be perfect on ESP Japan custom shop, where as with LTD you’ll need to set it up before you play most likely
They are amazing guitars dude. If you ask me, You can’t go wrong with esp/LTD -mind you , yes ESP is my second or third fave brand but objectively speaking I think an LTD is the safest bet for a “budget” guitar - and since your Aussie you might find yourself in the unique position of hitting the Asian markets for the Edwards models, whcih are even BETTER than LTD
Are you eyeing one?
Not for me. Just looking for something for my daughter. It's tough. She likes "sharp edges" and not timber finish, but "like my bass" which is a timber finish.
I've shown her a few LTD models and they have not been to her (visual) liking. A Schecter could her eye but I don't know what to make of them. I had a Custom Shop Schecter 7 string and didn't like it much at all.
Schecter is great value for money - most of them I have played are great. I got my daughter a used Schecter Omen, and it plays like a dream. Average pickups, but well-built and very playable.
Schecter IS the best value for the dollar. I mean in terms of specs, brand name hardware and options, no one beats shecter. The caveat is Qc - very hit and miss. I’ve seen and heard of schecter as good as ESP custom shop and I have also owned about 4 or 5 of them over the years and they are consistent worst brand I’ve owned - (mind you I am coming from a baseline of $4000 for my “cheapest ” guitar so I’m a little spoiled) - but if you can actually have her try them in a store to see which she likes it’s a great option. Personally I would spring for the LTd but Michael is totally right , schecter is a great value