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What effects do you recomend for máster channel?
So, i alredy prepare muy first proyect with loopy pro for live perfomance with my band and i have like 10 backing tracks of sounds prerecorded on the studio and couple of Guitar live effects channels for the guitar with tone stack pro and two voices channels.
Whats top effects (mostly eq and compresor or mástering fx maybe) with not lattency you recomend me for the máster channel for a libre situation like this ?
From Loopy pro fx and other vst3 ios effects.
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Beware of limiters. If they have a lookahead buffer, they will add latency. If they don't have a lookahead buffer and you drive them too hard, they'll introduce distortion. I'll get pushback for saying this, but I would only put a limiter with no lookahead to protect against unexpected huge overloads, but have it set so that it rarely, if ever, engages.
Beyond that, I think I'd only have an EQ. I'd only mess with it if the venue doesn't have EQ'ing on the house mixer.
You really don't need anything else on the master IMO. You should have your sound dialed in pretty good by the time it gets to the master for live work, or you're doing it wrong. At any rate, whatever you think you've got dialed in when listening at home is going to be significantly different at the venue.
For recording the answer is different than for live work.
(Disclaimer: I'm no longer a performing musician and was never an expert. Those are just things that seem like common sense to me.)
It make sense to me. I read good things about fab filter Pro -Q 4. Do you have experience with this EQ?
Some recomended límiter?
Sorry I only have Pro Q2. I like it. However, again, I really don't think you need anything especially fancy for live work. Your careful EQ'ing is going to be whacked out by the room no matter what you do. If you do need to adjust EQ onboard rather than at the house mixer, better to have something dead simple than something sophisticated. IMO of course.
You mentioned some of your mates are using Tonestack for guitar stuff. Could always just throw a separate instance of TS on the master and slap on an eq (there’s a lotta options, but I’m not sure which you have unlocked through IAP). This forum made me realize all those “pedals” are just effects and can be used on anything ya want
I'm going to backtrack a little and say that a zero to low latency compressor, if you know how to use it, can add punch and smooth out peaks. I suck at using compressors so I put that out of my mind. Loopy's own dynamics processor might be sufficient for this. Bark EQ's triple-band preset works well for some types of music, though I can't comment on its latency since it doesn't report it.
By the way - if you have AUM, it has a way to report latency of various plugins ... at least what they report it to be anyway.
I would say none.
Record at a reasonable level without worrying about overall volume, and put effects on individual tracks or aux channels for anything you might want across multiple tracks.
Sometimes people put mastering effects on the master and try to mix and master as one process, but personally I think the convention of getting a good mix then mastering a stereo mix down produces much better results.
Watch the interviews with DubFX and Kristof7s. They share a lot of valuable insights (which are valuable even if doing radically different music). Kristof shows a useful technique for visualizing latency and shares how to use clippers rather than limiters to avoid latency
BarkFilter (tripleband preset) by Virsyn and Luxe/Grand finale 2 by Klevgrand.
Ouau!! this two fx It looks very good!!
You don´t use both at the same time for the master channel in live situation no? Which one you recomend moore?
I read a little about each one and the Barkfilter tripleband adjust looks very good, I´m gonig to buy for sure.
But what about Grand Finale? It have a lot of presets.. You mean Luxe is a preset?
Thanks
For live work? That seems like a heavy FX load and too much latency for trying to play live. Grand Finale takes 32% CPU on my iPad 9th gen just doing sitting idle all by itself, and adds 23ms latency. Bark Filter doesn't report its latency but as it's a limiter, it could be right up there.
[edit] Bark filter worked out for the OP (see below). So good call on that one.
Great stuff for preparing the backing tracks ahead of time, but I don't think very practical for having on the master when performing.
I try Barkfilter and sounds great with no lattency. This is wat i was looking for!!
Any CPU app recomendation?
I agree with the limiter versus EQ comment. Control as much as is possible in the mix first, then judiciously apply as few effects as are necessary for the piece.
That's great news about Bark Filter.
Don't bother. Nothing you find in the App Store will have provide any practical insight.
Loopy Pro has per-plugin DSP usage percent. Those are enough.
Perfect
Thanks for all your help this intense days of first works with Loopy Pro. Increíble app 🎁
I think i will never need ableton for live situation any moore! 🕊️
Bark Filter or Luxe for live application. Grand Finale is more for end game mastering of a recorded track.
Don’t squash the dynamics out of a live mix! With the exception of when the rig is underpowered. A rig well specified for a room can reproduce big transients and doesn’t need compression to fake it, which is necessary for mixes for release. (Was thinking about exactly this while at gigs recently)
Totally agree on this. The dynamics of playing and the sound of the room itself are what really make a live performance.
I see a lot of AUM users using Brusfri (sp)
I've always wondered why, and what it does as it's often thrown on each channel and rarely just assigned to the "final bus" channel.
I set my buses up kinda weird in. AUM, but that's what it's for.
That's odd. Brusfri is for noise removal. Only audio input channels should ever have noise to deal with. Brusfri is a heavy CPU user too. I'd never throw it in where it's not absolutely needed.
btw, @egobeats - the final bus channel is a terrible place for Brufri. It should go as close to the source of what it's cleaning up as possible. Brusfri works by subtracting as carefully as possible the sounds in the "noise profile". That isn't a perfect process but it does a good job of working without noticeable degradation.
However, on the master channel, it will be taking out the noise profile from everything, degrading channels that don't have the noise in them unnecessarily.
Makes sense. Thank You. I'll post an example the next time I see one.
I don't own it, icon just baffles me when I do see it though.
Maybe it's used to combat noisey usb hubs or monitors. I dunno- Doug makes it seem like each channel needs one to clean up the signal (despite actually saying that) lol
Thx again guys I understand it a lot more now.
Be careful with Bark Filter. It is really good at what it does, but it can kill dynamics too. If you drop the triple band preset on a track it can wow you at first because it's a classic "sound goodener" a.k.a. it makes everything louder (with some upward compression?). Make sure you do some A/B comparisons with each at the same level.
I only use Brusfri and Pro Q3 for input channel. I don't use any compressors atm in my setip. Never put Brusfri for any output – it sounds awful.
I have used in mastering bus combination of Grand Finale + TB Enhancer and Barricate and EQ pro.. they are applied to scene playback inputs etc will bypass it. Not noticed remarkable latency the reaction is almost immediate 🤔 also like the adjustments and default presets to be accessible in Loopy template and play with scenes and mastering - made a punch of videos on applying the master effect while playing scenes and recording their playback to kind of ’song’ clip
I suggest if you have AUM that you load all those plugins in there, then check the reported latency for each and add them up. You may have a high tolerance for latency. It may drive others nuts. At any rate, it's good to know in more objective terms.
Of course, mixing and mastering is a very different scenario than performing. Latency matters little at that stage, as I'm sure you know. Plugins like Grand Finale are not geared toward live performing.
(Note: AUM lists "reported" latency. Some plugins may not report that, and there's no guarantee of accuracy, but it's better than nothing.)
I keep forgetting how useful the Koala FX AuV3 is. I was popping it on everything. I think I'll try it on the master bus for a bit and see how it gets on. It really adds some unexpected depth to the Analogy series.
For those that are loading up dozens of different solo fx's it's pretty nice having a good multifunctional effect to save your dsp.
One thing to note about Koala FX. It doesn't properly update the host of its AU parameter states on preset loading or on scene switching. So, if for instance you're using widgets in Loopy Pro to control it, they won't not get updated. This is also true for AUM and Drambo - most likely any host.
Koala Sampler has the additional limitation that it doesn't update parameters at all in the host, so movement of the FX sliders in the app won't update any Loopy Pro or other host widgets.
Maybe not relevant for most people, but it came up just yesterday in a discussion, and I thought I'd try to save people some confusion and lost time.