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Battlestation: the 1-minute groovebox

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  • pedropedro

    But I only use windows, I realize you’re all talking about mac

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    This is standard behaviour for AUv3 on silicon Macs. They work as a sound source but not as midi generators for any DAW other than Logic. Wish Reaper would update to work with midi AUv3 as well but no movement yet.

  • FPCFPC

    This is brilliant for getting a crunchy/percussive top layer on techno or house tunes.
    My sense of "but I didn't place those notes on a grid!" would probably stop me from using this app for major parts of a track... Same for AI or melodic sample loops. But once you've pushed the whole track through Perforator, Flux Pro etc and some filters and delays... Wow instant rythmic crispy layer for techno tunes. Love it

  • brambosbrambos

    @dendy said:
    but the drums part i found sonically boring, or oldschool .. it screams for more diverse kick/snare/hihat/perc sounds ..

    Fair. It’s pretty much the TR909, the de-facto EDM drums which have been around for 40 years.

    But I’ve chosen these for a reason. I wanted to choose a minimal set of analog-style drums to go with as many EDM subgenres as possible and these are the most useful ones by a mile. Bread-and-butter for sure, but also timeless.

    If you listen to a Jeff Mills performance he does an entire set using just these sounds and nothing else :blush:

    I hear what you’re saying though!

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    @brambos said:

    @dendy said:
    but the drums part i found sonically boring, or oldschool .. it screams for more diverse kick/snare/hihat/perc sounds ..

    Fair. It’s pretty much the TR909, the de-facto EDM drums which have been around for 40 years.

    But I’ve chosen these for a reason. I wanted to choose a minimal set of analog-style drums to go with as many EDM subgenres as possible and these are the most useful ones by a mile. Bread-and-butter for sure, but also timeless.

    If you listen to a Jeff Mills performance he does an entire set using just these sounds and nothing else :blush:

    I hear what you’re saying though!

    I can see your logic but I do agree with Dendy

    after a few days playing with this, the limited scope of drum sounds do make things a bit samey

    would love to see the Ruismaker FM drums available, and would be happy to pay extra for this

  • intracoastalintracoastal

    @brambos said:

    @intracoastal said:

    @oldsynthguy said:

    @brambos said:

    @intracoastal said:
    @brambos Thank you for this app, easily the most fun app I've ever tried. As mentioned earlier, midi out in Ableton Live doesn't seem work. The only options I get for midi is pre/post fx; there are no channels available. Since you have a picture of Ableton Live in your post, is this going to be addressed?

    MIDI output is done via the standardized Audio Unit protocol. There are no alternative ways for me to get MIDI output from a plugin into a host.

    So if Ableton Live doesn't support this part of the AUv3 protocol, there is very little I can do about it on my end, they will have to implement the feature :)

    Yeah, Live doesn’t support AUv3 MIDI, my one gripe about using Ableton. A workaround is to record it in via the iPad using IDAM, or I tend to copy and paste the recorded MIDI from Mac Logic, which does support it.

    A lot of developers providing sequencers for Ableton tend to use Max 4 Live, which does send the MIDI data.

    I would love to have a Max 4 Live device based on the Battlestation sequencer, I can’t recall anything as good currently. Possible the closest is Sting 3.

    Thanks for the context, but FWIW, I just downloaded StepPolyArp and ChordPolyPad Auv3 and they send midi similar to a VST inside Live. Are they doing anything different?

    Those are probably MIDI Generator plugins, rather than instrument plugins with MIDI output functionality (just guessing).

    Correct, they are - so that makes sense, thanks.

  • anicktanickt

    @drewinnit said:

    @brambos said:

    @dendy said:
    but the drums part i found sonically boring, or oldschool .. it screams for more diverse kick/snare/hihat/perc sounds ..

    Fair. It’s pretty much the TR909, the de-facto EDM drums which have been around for 40 years.

    But I’ve chosen these for a reason. I wanted to choose a minimal set of analog-style drums to go with as many EDM subgenres as possible and these are the most useful ones by a mile. Bread-and-butter for sure, but also timeless.

    If you listen to a Jeff Mills performance he does an entire set using just these sounds and nothing else :blush:

    I hear what you’re saying though!

    I can see your logic but I do agree with Dendy

    after a few days playing with this, the limited scope of drum sounds do make things a bit samey

    would love to see the Ruismaker FM drums available, and would be happy to pay extra for this

    Use AUM?

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    @anickt said:

    @drewinnit said:

    @brambos said:

    @dendy said:
    but the drums part i found sonically boring, or oldschool .. it screams for more diverse kick/snare/hihat/perc sounds ..

    Fair. It’s pretty much the TR909, the de-facto EDM drums which have been around for 40 years.

    But I’ve chosen these for a reason. I wanted to choose a minimal set of analog-style drums to go with as many EDM subgenres as possible and these are the most useful ones by a mile. Bread-and-butter for sure, but also timeless.

    If you listen to a Jeff Mills performance he does an entire set using just these sounds and nothing else :blush:

    I hear what you’re saying though!

    I can see your logic but I do agree with Dendy

    after a few days playing with this, the limited scope of drum sounds do make things a bit samey

    would love to see the Ruismaker FM drums available, and would be happy to pay extra for this

    Use AUM?

    Sure, but the idea here is of an integrated, hardware-esque all-in-one groovebox.

  • anicktanickt

    @drewinnit said:

    @anickt said:

    @drewinnit said:

    @brambos said:

    @dendy said:
    but the drums part i found sonically boring, or oldschool .. it screams for more diverse kick/snare/hihat/perc sounds ..

    Fair. It’s pretty much the TR909, the de-facto EDM drums which have been around for 40 years.

    But I’ve chosen these for a reason. I wanted to choose a minimal set of analog-style drums to go with as many EDM subgenres as possible and these are the most useful ones by a mile. Bread-and-butter for sure, but also timeless.

    If you listen to a Jeff Mills performance he does an entire set using just these sounds and nothing else :blush:

    I hear what you’re saying though!

    I can see your logic but I do agree with Dendy

    after a few days playing with this, the limited scope of drum sounds do make things a bit samey

    would love to see the Ruismaker FM drums available, and would be happy to pay extra for this

    Use AUM?

    Sure, but the idea here is of an integrated, hardware-esque all-in-one groovebox.

    Yes and it’s also early days. I’m sure @brambos will do what he feels is reasonable. But it’s nice to have the option to expand on whatever the app ultimately becomes.

  • timfromthebordertimfromtheborder

    @drewinnit said:

    @brambos said:

    @dendy said:
    but the drums part i found sonically boring, or oldschool .. it screams for more diverse kick/snare/hihat/perc sounds ..

    Fair. It’s pretty much the TR909, the de-facto EDM drums which have been around for 40 years.

    But I’ve chosen these for a reason. I wanted to choose a minimal set of analog-style drums to go with as many EDM subgenres as possible and these are the most useful ones by a mile. Bread-and-butter for sure, but also timeless.

    If you listen to a Jeff Mills performance he does an entire set using just these sounds and nothing else :blush:

    I hear what you’re saying though!

    I can see your logic but I do agree with Dendy

    after a few days playing with this, the limited scope of drum sounds do make things a bit samey

    would love to see the Ruismaker FM drums available, and would be happy to pay extra for this

    It would be cool to see another iteration of this, say with Ruismaker FM, Hilda, a bit of Solderbox, etc… all the greatest hits lol.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2025

    @dokwok2 said:
    2. In landscape mode, it's hard to read on an iPhone (which you did warn us about. But in portrait mode, it's legible! The scrolling just needs some work. I'm not mentioning this to complain. But the idea of this app (start having fun in under 1 minute) goes along very well with the idea of an iPhone: a capable computer in your pocket, wherever you are.

    Yeah, it's pretty well usable even on an iPhone 12 as a plugin in portrait if the scrolling can be worked out.

  • wimwim

    @brambos said:
    Far too many accidental nudges happened which made the entire UI feel very unstable and broke the illusion of touching a sold piece of hardware.

    Yeah, I'm sure you're right.

    I would have preferred it over adding explicit UI elements, but this was simply the most robust solution given how densely packed the UI panel is.

    Just tossing out a thought - the headers of the modules seem like a safe area to me. You probably already tried that but I thought I'd mention it. Anyway, the scroll buttons are fine.

  • dendydendy
    edited December 2025

    @drewinnit said:

    @anickt said:

    @drewinnit said:

    @brambos said:

    @dendy said:
    but the drums part i found sonically boring, or oldschool .. it screams for more diverse kick/snare/hihat/perc sounds ..

    Fair. It’s pretty much the TR909, the de-facto EDM drums which have been around for 40 years.

    But I’ve chosen these for a reason. I wanted to choose a minimal set of analog-style drums to go with as many EDM subgenres as possible and these are the most useful ones by a mile. Bread-and-butter for sure, but also timeless.

    If you listen to a Jeff Mills performance he does an entire set using just these sounds and nothing else :blush:

    I hear what you’re saying though!

    I can see your logic but I do agree with Dendy

    after a few days playing with this, the limited scope of drum sounds do make things a bit samey

    would love to see the Ruismaker FM drums available, and would be happy to pay extra for this

    Use AUM?

    Sure, but the idea here is of an integrated, hardware-esque all-in-one groovebox.

    This exacly.. I don’t like complexity in which you end in AUM as soon as you start adding tracks, routings, stuff - Battlestation is beautiful in iťs simplicity, very inspirative tool for live jamming ..

    All Bram’s points are totally valid, this is more like just classic forum brainstorming about “what i would like to be added” .. We like this kind of converstions as much as developers don’t like it 🤣🤣

    Anyway, I see here huge potential for improvements (potentially sustainable as working business model with IAPs:), so looking forward at you @brambos with hope that you will enjoy to improve this baby over time here and there ;)

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  • brambosbrambos

    @wim said:
    Just tossing out a thought - the headers of the modules seem like a safe area to me.

    I was actually just trying that. It is the only really safe/unused area of the screen. Works nicely without getting in the way of controls though. So that's going to be in the next update.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2025

    @brambos said:

    @wim said:
    Just tossing out a thought - the headers of the modules seem like a safe area to me.

    I was actually just trying that. It is the only really safe/unused area of the screen. Works nicely without getting in the way of controls though. So that's going to be in the next update.

    Nice! That'll also address the scrolling issue with the buttons in the plugin on iPhone when in portrait. It's more usable and fun than I thought it would be punching up a groove while waiting for the wife to finish shopping. 👏

  • Tones4ChristTones4Christ

    @wim said:

    @brambos said:

    @wim said:
    Just tossing out a thought - the headers of the modules seem like a safe area to me.

    I was actually just trying that. It is the only really safe/unused area of the screen. Works nicely without getting in the way of controls though. So that's going to be in the next update.

    Nice! That'll also address the scrolling issue with the buttons in the plugin on iPhone when in portrait. It's more usable and fun than I thought it would be punching up a groove while waiting for the wife to finish shopping. 👏

    Love it 😀 yay!

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    Should've called it "Brambo"! 😉

    Congrats on the release! 🎉

  • egobeatsegobeats

    Kinda on the fence with this one.. I was initially excited then saw some people referring to NOIR,Phase, and Troublemaker as being like very scaled down versions of the synths, then some comments about the drums being kind of underwhelming and no way to change out kits. I'm already a heavy ShiftBud user - so I have the multiple Turing generators covered. Oh, and one of the other things that kinda jostled my excitement was the inability to arrange the 3 synths in a particular way.. like 3 instances of Phase or 2 instances of Troublemaker and 1 instance of noir. It sounds like you are forced to work with 1x each (which is fine) but dang it'd be a lot cooler if you could customize the synth layout.

    Still on the fence, push me one way or the other please.

  • oldsynthguyoldsynthguy

    @egobeats said:
    Kinda on the fence with this one.. I was initially excited then saw some people referring to NOIR,Phase, and Troublemaker as being like very scaled down versions of the synths, then some comments about the drums being kind of underwhelming and no way to change out kits. I'm already a heavy ShiftBud user - so I have the multiple Turing generators covered. Oh, and one of the other things that kinda jostled my excitement was the inability to arrange the 3 synths in a particular way.. like 3 instances of Phase or 2 instances of Troublemaker and 1 instance of noir. It sounds like you are forced to work with 1x each (which is fine) but dang it'd be a lot cooler if you could customize the synth layout.

    Still on the fence, push me one way or the other please.

    Within a few minutes tweaking, I’ve got the basis for a new track.

    Saved.

    A few minutes later, another one.

    Saved.

    Etc.

    Does it for me!

  • egobeatsegobeats

    Thx @oldsynthguy

  • wimwim
    edited December 2025

    @egobeats said:
    Kinda on the fence with this one.. I was initially excited then saw some people referring to NOIR,Phase, and Troublemaker as being like very scaled down versions of the synths, then some comments about the drums being kind of underwhelming and no way to change out kits. I'm already a heavy ShiftBud user - so I have the multiple Turing generators covered. Oh, and one of the other things that kinda jostled my excitement was the inability to arrange the 3 synths in a particular way.. like 3 instances of Phase or 2 instances of Troublemaker and 1 instance of noir. It sounds like you are forced to work with 1x each (which is fine) but dang it'd be a lot cooler if you could customize the synth layout.

    Still on the fence, push me one way or the other please.

    If you feel like you're going to need to take it seriously to be happy with, forget it. If you just feel like having some quick and easy fun, and won't mind if you don't put it to good use, go for it.

    This isn't a thing to hope for new features for. It's a thing to just fire up for shits and giggles, and maybe to surprise yourself with some useful output, or maybe not.

    ymmv. 😎

  • egobeatsegobeats

    I gotcha. That helps, thank you @wim

  • audiblevideoaudiblevideo

    I routed all the parts to Hammerhead, Pure Acid, Noir, and Twin. I muted, unmuted and transposed parts as I generated bits. Lots of fun and flexible this way if you feel "stifled" by an instant -- barely any work -- groovebox

    Is it something you couldn't do with existing tools - even just Brams other apps no
    BUT THERE IS SO LITTLE FRICTION im starting to believe in perpetual energy.

  • egobeatsegobeats

    I love hammerhead. Out of all of my drum sequencers, hammerhead has the most mileage.

  • intracoastalintracoastal

    @oldsynthguy said:

    @intracoastal said:

    @oldsynthguy said:

    @brambos said:

    @intracoastal said:
    @brambos Thank you for this app, easily the most fun app I've ever tried. As mentioned earlier, midi out in Ableton Live doesn't seem work. The only options I get for midi is pre/post fx; there are no channels available. Since you have a picture of Ableton Live in your post, is this going to be addressed?

    MIDI output is done via the standardized Audio Unit protocol. There are no alternative ways for me to get MIDI output from a plugin into a host.

    So if Ableton Live doesn't support this part of the AUv3 protocol, there is very little I can do about it on my end, they will have to implement the feature :)

    Yeah, Live doesn’t support AUv3 MIDI, my one gripe about using Ableton. A workaround is to record it in via the iPad using IDAM, or I tend to copy and paste the recorded MIDI from Mac Logic, which does support it.

    A lot of developers providing sequencers for Ableton tend to use Max 4 Live, which does send the MIDI data.

    I would love to have a Max 4 Live device based on the Battlestation sequencer, I can’t recall anything as good currently. Possible the closest is Sting 3.

    Thanks for the context, but FWIW, I just downloaded StepPolyArp and ChordPolyPad Auv3 and they send midi similar to a VST inside Live. Are they doing anything different?

    That's weird...I've got (and just updated) StepPolyArp, but it's never shown up inside Live (though it picks up straight away in Logic). Are you using using it in standalone mode, and then transmitting the MIDI to Live that way?

    @brambos - some iOS apps have MIDI out options for standalone mode (e.g. StepPolyArp, some 4Pockets), so sometimes these can be picked up in Live using the MIDI From/channel settings. Works, but a bit clunky. I can test it if you want to give it a try.

    Ugh, yes you are correct, i had them running standalone.

  • rhesliprheslip

    Would love to see more controls MIDI mapped. An external MIDI controller really enhances the “live set” feeling but you can’t MIDI the note generator knobs - am I missing something?

  • AileromAilerom

    Is there a scale/key function?

  • wimwim

    @Ailerom said:
    Is there a scale/key function?

    Yes. The same style as in other Bram apps such as Hilda and Solderbox. I little clunky IMO, but it's there.

  • AileromAilerom

    @wim said:

    @Ailerom said:
    Is there a scale/key function?

    Yes. The same style as in other Bram apps such as Hilda and Solderbox. I little clunky IMO, but it's there.

    Thanks, my eyes didn't pick it up on the iPhone. Easier on the iPad.

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