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Spinoff thread from “Fight/Flight (An Anti-Ice Rap Track)”
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You sure about that? How many pointless deaths around the world go uncommented on? This particular death is politicized and propagandized for maximum outrage and minimum self-reflection because it serves the interests of the agitators and activists who have been interfering in Federal immigration law enforcement. You know it and I know it because we've seen this happening for a long time.
Not by those in power, that's for sure. But I bet more people than you think on the right are actually truly rocked by this and by the way the government is handling it.
Like you say, it’s a Rorschach test. A pretty revealing one.
There are no regular people involved in these organized "protests". These are politically driven and in response to a death which should never have happened, but it did... in large part because of the harassment, attacks and interference these activists have been involved in against Federal law enforcement.
I'm no prophet, but if this kind of thing continues to spiral in Minneapolis, the Insurrection Act may be invoked and the US military could become sent there to tamp things down. And that wouldn't be evidence of "fascism" at work...
The Supreme Court recently ruled the President couldn't deploy the National Guard to states if he needed to maintain order or quell uprisings in these cities. Instead, they said the President could invoke the Insurrection Act and deploy the military. That's the legally permissible and constitutional view. And that being the case, I bet almost anything the activists involved will immediately scream they're being suppressed.
I'm not the official representative for "the right" here, but I think many are generally not open to any criticisms from those on the political Left today because of what the Biden years and the Obama years yielded. Absolute demonization of all conservatives and Trump supporters, including de-banking, getting people fired, false claims of racism, etc. And they've had enough of all of it. No quarter will be given after all that.
Vengeance has no place in a republic.
Wondering if ‘No quarter will be given after all that’ constitutes a greater form of threat than ‘be held to account’ 🤔
Wow ... I'm sure hoping "No quarter will be given" is just a careless choice of phrase and not meant anywhere near its actual meaning.
It’s very interesting you haven’t answered or said anything in response to my view as a German and in historical review to the SS and how financially linked the media is to "old" money. You honestly want to tell me FOX and Co aren’t owned by conservative corporations? I’m thousands of miles away and I can smell the brown soup rising over there. Please dive into actual history and LOOK at the mechanics of fascism. They are subtile af and it’s feasting on future fear.
It’s also interesting that people who are in crisis theirselves tend to run with the opressor and point out minor flaws to distract from the obvious. It’s classic DARVO behaviour.
I’ve noticed this pattern in your way of communication.
Please don’t grasp straws for someone else’s benefit. That was what the Germans did because they were just as hungry, had no work and were afraid if their kids have a future. It’s the same damn mechanics…Trump is using "Mein Kampf" as a bloody playbook for his oligarch buddy’s and himself. Hitler did the same. Money and power is all that counts for the "elite".
And they spend your tax money on ballrooms and new agencies, blaming people who are not the reason why your country is poor. Tax the actual rich, because they are the ones laughing their asses off that people at the end of the food chain are still buying their shit and believe the lies they are told. ICE isn’t protecting anyone. They keep you distracted.
Wow. You clearly have NO idea.
We have free health insurance over here, free kindergarten and schools, state university is free. Immigrants can come to Germany, study for free and if they find work within 6 months they get their title and be a fkn regular german citizen. If you’re out of work you get "Bürgergeld" including € for your rent and health insurance.
Democracy means FOR THE PEOPLE.
Do you honestly think Germany is a communist/socialist country because of that?!? Spoiler: It’s NOT. And we have WAY more refugees than you. Our police is so fkn safe I’d go there and give them a hug at any time (asking if they´d want one, of course). I also like to add that police training here is way different. It´s an actual education and takes two and a half years. We don’t need elite troups for safety.
I LIVED in actual communism! If you actually want to know whats that like start to read up on history instead of believing blindly what is told to you.
Hey all, just so y'all know, I can't take any more of this thread. Since it may or may not be followed by any other moderator, please flag posts if things get too far out of hand. That shouldn't be a problem if people can remain reasonably respectful to one-another. 👍🏼
Cheers,
Mike
You accidentally directed this comment at me, wrong person! Edit: but very well said btw 👍👍👍
@Gavinski
dang my thumbs, thanks for telling me
Just because there are AI-generated pictures of the him with underage girls does not somehow mean he is innocent…plenty of evidence to the contrary even outside anything relating to Epstein like Trump walking into to the dressing room for Miss Teen USA where four 15 year-old girls were undressing….
I’m actually trying to highlight how you are full of idealogical contradictions! 🤗
The case being that you hold the following convictions, among other things, simultaneously:
Law + Order ——— January 6 Rioters
Small Government ——— Government Control
Free Market Capitalism ——— Protectionism + Populism
Anti-Elite Rhetoric ——— Worship of Billionaires
Defending Free Speech ——— Banning Books + Protest
You’ve even already made a case to defend and explain the Jan 6 Rioters in this very thread yet you also want to uphold “law + order” to such an extreme point that you’ve found it fit to defend ICE 100%.
Even trying get the anti-ice song removed to the “other” section of this forum.
But when it comes to someone like MAGA-wrapper Fellatio Blow, oops I mean Forgiato Blow, promoting lynching and saying the N word(!);
The song calls for “a big tall tree and a short piece of rope” to “hang ‘em up high at sundown” and “leave ‘em swinging so the folks all know you don’t mess around in our town.”
you’d probably defend such degeneracy as ”Free Speech” in an instant, right?
So given the crazy amounts of idealogical contradictions, a lack of basic empathy and no ethics at all one can only resort to making fun of and distancing oneself from all who are clearly inhumane.
Just because there are AI-generated pictures of the him with a Trump sex doll does not somehow mean he is innocent! 🤠
You’re never going to get a straight honest answer. If you get an answer at all, it’ll be full of equivocation if not outright lies. MAGA is rotten from top to bottom as the leadership reveals every single day that they wield their unchecked power.
From what I’ve seen, only when they feel they’re personally affected or something they feel attachment to is affected. MAGA is all about “fuck you, I got mine”.
@NeuM
https://dhsstatistics.org/dhs/
in comparison to Germany
https://www.bamf.de/SharedDocs/Anlagen/EN/Forschung/Migrationsberichte/migrationsbericht-2023.html
And just to make it even more visible to you how you really DON´T have an immigration problem here is some info to relate to the actual size relation of our countries and people per sqm.
https://georank.org/size/germany/united-states
I don’t imagine that anything anyone writes here will change NeuM’s mind. Or the mind of anyone who agrees with him and is reading this. As important as the topic is, wouldn’t our time be better spent doing something else?
my family and me could be treated like 2nd class citizens based on our skin color and ethnicity. Any ICE goon could harass us at any point and demand proof of citizenship without any other cause than we look different and speak with an accent. Something not very likely to happen to anyone from a group that’s never been subject to racial profiling and discrimination.
That’s why I don’t feel like me speaking out is necessarily a waste of time for me. I might not convince the people deep down in the rabbit hole, but maybe someone who is on the fence or disengaged might become less so.
Sorry to hear that and I massively sympathize. We definitely need to speak out and do things. My point though, is more about whether it's worth spending the time speaking to NeuM about this, and in this tiny corner of the internet.
It’s good to push back against fascists. Make them feel shunned. Evil ideologies do not deserve respect.
People are free to argue that murdering people in the street is good, and I am free to despise them.
In regards to some people (here, and elsewhere), I’m already at the “Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown” stage.
Though some of the lies deserve debunking if anyone has the energy.
Right? One minute @NeuM is crying about defamation, the next they’re calling for no quarter for the left. Fascists write the defamation for themselves.
And if not a fascist directly, wanting “no quarter” for those they disagree with is at the least supporting fascist adjacent ideologies. “I refuse to take criticism from anyone slightly left to the point I want no protections for them” is not a democratic ideology.
Just let me know how I’ve suppressed your rights. I’m waiting.
Hold on. “Could”? So you haven’t been treated like “2nd class citizens” then? On the other hand, people during the last administration WERE treated like second class citizens. Conservatives were literally hunted by Leftists in the streets, at work, at home.
There’s a big, big reality gap between “could” and “are”.
I like to think that most Trump voters are not like @NeuM and are starting to feel uneasy about who Trump really is and what is happening in America.
As for @NeuM - his initial ban on this forum for his hateful comments should never have been rescinded in my opinion, and his latest ‘no quarter’ comment has no place on a music forum.
This all started from you demanding a song be moved where it can’t as easily be accessed because you disagree with the message. And again, then whining when you were sure the mods would agree and then they didn’t.
Oh yeah @NeuM the no quarter is pretty suppressive and vengeful as well.