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  • Yep, that graphic shows 1500 corrupt pardons by Trump.

  • edited January 13

    @richardyot said:
    Yep, that graphic shows 1500 corrupt pardons by Trump.

    No, it shows 1,500 over-prosecutions by partisan Democrat activists who destroyed the "evidence" they had collected afterwards. If you had real evidence, would you destroy it after proving your case?

    Why did Biden "pre-pardon" the entire January 6th Committee if they did nothing wrong?

    https://news.wfsu.org/all-npr-news/2025-01-20/jan-6-committee-member-jamie-raskin-calls-biden-pardon-a-sign-of-our-strange-times

  • As an aside, unrelated to the discussion here, it should be noted that fascists never argue in good faith. They spew lies, because the truth doesn't matter to them, only power and domination.

    Anyway, back on topic now.

  • @richardyot said:
    As an aside, unrelated to the discussion here, it should be noted that fascists never argue in good faith. They spew lies, because the truth doesn't matter to them, only power and domination.

    Anyway, back on topic now.

    I hope you realize from an opposing point of view everything you just wrote could be applied to your own statements.

    In fact, we saw four years of exactly that with the previous administration. And it continues with the lies, law enforcement interference, attacks on police, and so on by the Left.

    We've lived through cities and businesses being burned to the ground by Marxist radicals Antifa and BLM. This was all real.

    How many cities were burned to cinders by Trump supporters (I take it you believe all Trump supporters are "fascists")? How many Supreme Court justices were almost murdered by Trump supporters? How many roving gangs of Trump supporters terrorized their political opposition in the streets nationwide?

    Please show your work.

  • My comment wasn't directed at you. I was making an observation about fascists.

    My comments would only apply to someone who was lying or arguing in bad faith, obviously.

  • @richardyot said:
    My comment wasn't directed at you. I was making an observation about fascists.

    My comments would only apply to someone who was lying or arguing in bad faith, obviously.

    Again... who or where are the fascists, Richard? You are addressing no one and nothing otherwise.

  • Those who justify summary executions on the streets would qualify.

  • edited January 13

    Marxists, Communists and Socialists in the United States are dishonest and they don't live up to the ideals of their own philosophy. They take advantage of the openness of US society and the legal system in order to sow chaos and destruction. If they were honest actors, they'd live in the collapsing systems they insist we should adopt.

    And since no Marxist, Communist or Socialist is capable or willing to protect and defend our Constitution and Bill of Rights, they should all be permanently prohibited from holding any elected office or job position in the United States government. The philosophy of Collectivism (which is the foundation of all Leftist thought) is incompatible with our democratic republic.

    That’s not “fascism”. Those are facts.

  • @Gavinski said:
    I don’t imagine that anything anyone writes here will change NeuM’s mind. Or the mind of anyone who agrees with him and is reading this.

    100%.

    Let's just wait for November and the mid-terms.

  • @Simon said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I don’t imagine that anything anyone writes here will change NeuM’s mind. Or the mind of anyone who agrees with him and is reading this.

    100%.

    Let's just wait for November and the mid-terms.

    Oh, I fully expect spineless Republicans Mike Johnson and John Thune will hasten the turnover. The midterms almost always flip.

  • @NeuM said:
    Marxists, Communists and Socialists in the United States are dishonest and they don't live up to the ideals of their own philosophy. They take advantage of the openness of US society and the legal system in order to sow chaos and destruction. If they were honest actors, they'd live in the collapsing systems they insist we should adopt.

    Wow you really have no clue how socialism and/or communism or Marxism works and you throw the word Antifa around like that’s an actual organized "group" while it only means being antifascist. None of those are actually linked to each other but for you it’s all one pot. It’s so wild to read what you just wrote from a perspective of actual education and having lived in social democracy. Man, we still owned our own land and had businesses and shit, land was actually affordable. We had a shitload of unions to make sure the workers had breaks, rent was directly paid by the employer, what are you imagining? Every penny taken away for the state?

    And since no Marxist, Communist or Socialist is capable or willing to protect and defend our Constitution and Bill of Rights,

    They do, that’s why they’re maybe in your "streets" because they‘re interested in affordable health care, too and would like to know what happens with the taxes they are paying.

    they should all be permanently prohibited from holding any elected office or job position in the United States government.

    There we have it. You want to deny access to jobs for people depending on their political attitude. I’ve heard enough.

    The philosophy of Collectivism (which is the foundation of all Leftist thought) is incompatible with our democratic republic.

    You literally just said that you cannot tolerate any leftist/liberal views. So you are AGAINST democracy. You’re so 👌🏼 close to figuring out why the democrats in this forum might have issues with you.

  • edited January 13

    Briefly: The US is a representative republic or democratic republic. The important part is… it’s not a democracy. The Federal system has never been a democracy. We don’t want a democracy.

    Also, I’ve never said I cannot stand ANY liberal views. As a matter of fact, I found myself in agreement with more than a few of the views aired by Tulsi Gabbard and RFK, Jr. … as mentioned previously, today’s “Bill Clinton Democrat” has been deemed not radical enough by the radical Left.

    And by applying Richard Yot’s own standard for forum discourse, since you chose to reply to my post, does that mean you are representing the views of the Marxists, Socialists or Communists?

  • edited January 13

    @NeuM said:
    Briefly: The US is a representative republic or democratic republic. The important part is… it’s not a democracy. The Federal system has never been a democracy. We don’t want a democracy.

    YOU don’t want a democracy
    The CITIZENS vote their representatives. You DO live in a democracy. It’s literally in your constitution.

    https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/lesson-plans/Government_and_You_handouts.pdf

    radical Left

    those are such a tiny minority- why are you focusing on this tiny bubble when for the gros of people out there in the streets it’s about bare survival, affordable food and housing? As said before- it is a spectrum. Just because a big crowd is walking and a tiny minority of them has radical "left" views it doesn’t mean the other 95% want Karl back. It just means they want to live without suffering. Are things for you personally better right now? Are you paid well for the work you’re doing, can you sustain a good life for yourself and the ones you love? Are you happy with healthcare and what the educational system provides? Are teachers well paid? And nurses? Are you having access to good food and is it affordable? Are your personal representatives working towards your well being?

  • edited January 13

    @Katinkera said:

    @NeuM said:
    Briefly: The US is a representative republic or democratic republic. The important part is… it’s not a democracy. The Federal system has never been a democracy. We don’t want a democracy.

    YOU don’t want a democracy
    The CITIZENS vote their representatives. You DO live in a democracy. It’s literally in your constitution.

    https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/lesson-plans/Government_and_You_handouts.pdf

    The word “democracy” does not appear anywhere in the U.S. Constitution or the Bill of Rights or any of its Amendments. The Constitution is the foundation of all Federal laws. The document you cited is simply misleading.

  • edited January 13

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  • edited January 13

    @NeuM said:
    Marxists, Communists and Socialists in the United States are dishonest and they don't live up to the ideals of their own philosophy.

    Don’t forget the anarchists! 😘

    What are the ideals of your philosophy BTW?

    Are you an isolationist?

    Or maybe an expansionist?

    Given that Trump now declares himself Venezuela's 'acting president' and also threatens to invade Greenland I guess you are more of an expansionist but then again your rhetoric is very isolationist:

    @NeuM said:
    Briefly: The US is a representative republic or democratic republic. The important part is… it’s not a democracy. The Federal system has never been a democracy. We don’t want a democracy.

    Oops I forgot that you have a tendency to embrace contradictive views, you’re both a isolationist & expansionist simultaneously - problem solved! ☺️👍

    🤣

  • Someone wrote: “ And since no Marxist, Communist or Socialist is capable or willing to protect and defend our Constitution and Bill of Rights,…”

    That is totally false bollocks. The vast majority of these people in the U.S. are law-abiding citizens that belief in the ideals espoused in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

    Statements like someone’s bad faith accusations serve only to demonize and delegitimization anyone that disagrees with them.

  • @NeuM said:
    The word “democracy” does not appear anywhere in the U.S. Constitution or the Bill of Rights or any of its Amendments. The Constitution is the foundation of all Federal laws. The document you cited is simply misleading.

    https://www.senate.gov/about/origins-foundations/senate-and-constitution/constitution.htm

  • edited January 14

    Collectivists hate individual rights and personal responsibility. They want everyone dependent on the state while they enjoy the wealth created by free markets and capitalism. In the US, these hypocrites scream about “equality” but live off the system they want to destroy. If they believed their own nonsense, they’d leave instead of embedding here in the U.S. to subvert it.

  • edited January 14

    Communism is a blueprint for tyranny, mass murder, and poverty. This has been proven over and over.

    American Communists hide behind free speech in the U.S. to agitate, riot, and undermine law enforcement, yet they’d never survive a day in the regimes they idolize.

    All should be removed from positions of power, without exception. They are a national security risk.

  • Socialism delivers misery and theft disguised as compassion. US socialists demand endless government handouts and control while ignoring that it bankrupts nations and starves people. They’re frauds.

    Honesty would make them admit socialism destroys the innovation and property rights our Founders fought for.

  • edited January 14

    The left’s collectivist ideologies are subversive and antithetical to everything America stands for: limited government, individual liberty, private property.

    Communist sympathizers use our openness to fund agitators, interfere with ICE, and push illegal aliens on us at taxpayer expense. If they were honest, they’d confront their philosophy’s endless failures instead of weaponizing our institutions against us.

    Barring them from power isn’t radical, it’s common sense.

  • wimwim
    edited January 14

    @NeuM said:

    Barring them from power isn’t radical, it’s common sense.

    But it is unconstitutional. Horribly so.
    The only way to remove a duly elected individual that hasn't been convicted of a crime is by voting them out. That's a republic at work. Except for impeachment and removal from office due to "crimes and misdemeanors", removing someone from office by any other way is tyranny.

  • edited January 14

    @wim said:

    @NeuM said:

    Barring them from power isn’t radical, it’s common sense.

    But it is unconstitutional.

    An amendment would need to be written and signed into law. Then it would not be unconstitutional. :)

    Term limits for Congress should also be included.

  • wimwim
    edited January 14

    @NeuM said:

    @wim said:

    @NeuM said:

    Barring them from power isn’t radical, it’s common sense.

    But it is unconstitutional.

    An amendment would need to be written and signed into law. Then it would not be unconstitutional. :)

    Good luck with that.

    I'm a republican (in name at least, though I increasingly hate my party as much as the Democrat party) and I would oppose such an amendment to the best of my abilities. Preventing anyone from presenting themselves as a candidate for the people to decide based simply on their beliefs is flat out tyranny in my opinion.

  • @NeuM said:
    Collectivists hate individual rights and personal responsibility. They want everyone dependent on the state while they enjoy the wealth created by free markets and capitalism. In the US, these hypocrites scream about “equality” but live off the system they want to destroy. If they believed their own nonsense, they’d leave instead of embedding here to subvert it.

    You don't know what you are talking about. You are just spouting phrases you've seen/heard spouted by folks on the right that want to delegitimize points-of-view they disagree with (and may not even understand). Socialists and Marxists do not hate individual rights or personal responsibility. They do believe that interest of the community need to be weigh into the equation.

    For all your spouting on about 'individual rights', you spout a lot of words that explicitly denounce the rights of people to have different interpretations of American values than you have or to engage in the right to protest.

    I know that I can't convince you of anything. But I hate to see lies and hypocrisy go unanswered.

    If you believe in individual rights you should be celebrating the rights of people to protest and to be able to freely express ideas anathema to your own. You should be celebrating the U.S. having citizens with diverse beliefs whether you agree with them or not,

  • @Katinkera said:

    @NeuM said:
    The word “democracy” does not appear anywhere in the U.S. Constitution or the Bill of Rights or any of its Amendments. The Constitution is the foundation of all Federal laws. The document you cited is simply misleading.

    ![]

    https://www.senate.gov/about/origins-foundations/senate-and-constitution/constitution.htm

    That doesn’t prove your assertion.

  • edited January 14

    @espiegel123 said:

    @NeuM said:
    Collectivists hate individual rights and personal responsibility. They want everyone dependent on the state while they enjoy the wealth created by free markets and capitalism. In the US, these hypocrites scream about “equality” but live off the system they want to destroy. If they believed their own nonsense, they’d leave instead of embedding here to subvert it.

    You don't know what you are talking about. You are just spouting phrases you've seen/heard spouted by folks on the right that want to delegitimize points-of-view they disagree with (and may not even understand). Socialists and Marxists do not hate individual rights or personal responsibility. They do believe that interest of the community need to be weigh into the equation.

    For all your spouting on about 'individual rights', you spout a lot of words that explicitly denounce the rights of people to have different interpretations of American values than you have or to engage in the right to protest.

    I know that I can't convince you of anything. But I hate to see lies and hypocrisy go unanswered.

    If you believe in individual rights you should be celebrating the rights of people to protest and to be able to freely express ideas anathema to your own. You should be celebrating the U.S. having citizens with diverse beliefs whether you agree with them or not,

    No sir. Leftists place group identity over individual rights. This is a fact. And our Bill of Rights applies to INDIVIDUALS, not groups.

    "Protesting" is a protected free speech right. So is freedom of association. If you noticed, my call to exclude Marxists, Socialists and Communists from ever serving in the Federal government was very specific. If an individual in America wants to believe in a Leftist political fantasy, that's completely up to them, but anyone holding views in opposition to their sworn oath of office (to protect and defend the Constitution) cannot serve in the Federal government because they cannot and will not uphold that oath.

    Committing acts of violence against others is not a right. Committing arson, destroying private or government property is not a right. Interfering with Federal law enforcement is not a right. Illegally migrating to the US is not a right.

  • edited January 14

    Can you answer any of my questions @NeuM ? Are you happy with how your money is invested? Can you live WELL from your work?

    I am selfemployed btw it’s not like I‘m interested in feeding lazy people, I don’t wanna see my tax cut going to waste, but: I don’t. It’s not wasted. People want to work, they want to be productive. They want to learn and adapt. That is what I‘ve learned from working with humans. And this is also what scientific evidence proves. Denmark is super conservative and traditional, almost national AND they have the best social system imaginable. Can you please open up to the idea that what you wrote above is a very radical view and maybe question the sources your views are originating from?
    It’s really just information, man.
    The idea of the selfmade man isn’t working anymore over there, the 5% have it all. And no one is holding them accountable. No one is trying to grab into your pocket.
    Just to get an undestanding- it’s not coming back to us "down here":

    Jeff Bezos has 250 billions.

    I‘m zoning out of here now. This is as compassionate and understanding yet informing as I can be, stay safe!

  • edited January 14

    @Katinkera said:
    Can you answer any of my questions @NeuM ? Are you happy with how your money is invested? Can you live WELL from your work?

    I am selfemployed btw it’s not like I‘m interested in feeding lazy people, I don’t wanna see my tax cut going to waste, but: I don’t. It’s not wasted. People want to work, they want to be productive. They want to learn and adapt. That is what I‘ve learned from working with humans. And this is also what scientific evidence proves. Denmark is super conservative and traditional, almost national AND they have the best social system imaginable. Can you please open up to the idea that what you wrote above is a very radical view and maybe question the sources your views are originating from?
    It’s really just information, man.
    The idea of the selfmade man isn’t working anymore over there, the 5% have it all. And no one is holding them accountable. No one is trying to grab into your pocket.
    Just to get an undestanding- it’s not coming back to us "down here":

    >

    Jeff Bezos has 250 billions.

    I‘m zoning out of here now. This is as compassionate and understanding yet informing as I can be, stay safe!

    I don't blame people for doing well if I don't do well. Life is seldom "fair". And another person's wealth is not your deficit. The wealthy get that way because they invest their wealth. They don't fill their swimming pools with gold coins and dive into them like Scrooge McDuck. They make money by risking their capital. Should they be subsidized with tax dollars if they fail? Of course not. For the same reason, their money should never be confiscated by self-serving politicians to satisfy the bloodlust of mobs.

    I cannot speak to the social welfare system, economy or policies of Denmark. But people are always trying to get into the US for a reason. It's not because we're the worst country and worst people on earth. More than a few people here have made absurd claims that Donald Trump is a dictator... A DICTATOR, I say... so, why are they not running for the exit instead of trying to stay and further subvert our country here?

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