Apple Creator Studio -- New Subscription bundle

klownshed · January 14

@FizzyLizzy27 said:

@klownshed said:
Cubase 15 for Mac or PC costs £481.

An upgrade to 15 from 14 is £83. Major versions come out about once a year.

Reason 13 for Mac or PC costs £499. Upgrades are £149. And come out a little less than once a year.

A subscription costs £19.99 per month.

Adobe Creative Cloud costs £65 per month.

£12.99 gets you FCP, Pixelmator and Logic Pro plus some other stuff on both iPad and Mac for up to five family members. Or £29 a year for educators and students.

I don’t like subs. At all.

But that’s not bad value when you think about what you’re getting.

You obviously get the maximum benefit if you want FCP and Logic and use both Macs and iPads and have multiple family members that would otherwise want to buy those apps.

Hopefully you’ll still be able to just get Logic for iPad too without all the other stuff. We’ll find out soon.

Are there ways to purchase older versions of software like Cubase for older machines?

Not directly from Steinberg. Most devs (I can’t think of any that don’t) only sell the current version.

You may be able to find a copy of something older from a reseller or buy a ‘used’ version from knobcloud or similar.

Samu · January 14

The question I'm asking is how long it will stay at the $129/year?
I would NOT be surprised at all if it's $149 next year and $199 the year after that?!

Considering these are 'Creative Apps' 1TB of iCloud storage should be included as standard.

This is typical 'Drug Pusher Tactics' give the customer some free or cheap samples and when they are hooked enough they will pay anything to get the rush...

oldsynthguy · January 14

@klownshed said:
Cubase 15 for Mac or PC costs £481.

An upgrade to 15 from 14 is £83. Major versions come out about once a year.

Reason 13 for Mac or PC costs £499. Upgrades are £149. And come out a little less than once a year.

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Yeah but nobody buys these things at full price (unless they're desperate). I bought Live second-hand, and upgrade during the sales. There was a bargain deal recently for Reason too (which I unfortunately missed as I couldn't find my old version details). And then you can sell them on if you want. I could sell my Live Suite for more now than I paid for it, can't do that with a sub. I paid £70 or so for a Native Instrument Komplete upgrade, which was a huge jump from a previous older version. Again, I could resell it if I wanted.

@klownshed said:
Adobe Creative Cloud costs £65 per month.

Pixelmator is no match for Illustrator, Photoshop and InDesign, plus they provide 100 GB of cloud storage. Though I'd never pay an Adobe sub. Bugger that.

I find the Creative bundle a bit weird, to be honest, it's a bit video editing heavy, with a pro DAW, but no pro graphics software - the new Corel/Affinity Suite does ten times more than Pixelmator, and it's free!

I think it's a worthwhile deal for anyone into video and music editing that doesn't already have Logc and FCP, but otherwise you're paying for something you don't really need. I would literally be paying £12.99 per month instead of £4.99 per month, just for Logic Pro on the iPad (assuming they don't keep the current plan).

NeuM · January 14

@klownshed said:

@oldsynthguy said:
If I was into video editing, I’d probably give this a go on a month-to-month basis, even though I already have Logic on desktop. I’m not, so it’s a pass from me. For those that are, and use Logic too, it’s a good deal.

But in the long term, subscriptions suck ass, and you end up paying more for the same stuff.

Thin end of the wedge. Gotta pay for those pricey data centres somehow I guess!

Logic has been an outlier on desktop. I have been using Logic since day 1 and upgraded many times, the last time was in 2014. Every update since then has been free.

However if you use, say, Ableton Live you'd spend more than the subscription cost on keeping it upgraded if you updated every version. Obviously if you pay for a perpetual (hahah as if anything lasts forever) license you could keep using it for years on moth-balled equipment,

I actually have Logic 7 running on an old iMac which I have at my office as a dedicated printer server for a large formate Epson which runs on firewire. Far easier than trying to make it work with current computers... I sometimes need to open Logic 7 to convert old Logic 4 files to be able to open them in the latest version of Logic on the Mac! "need" is a strong word. I don't "need" any old files from years ago but it's nice to be able to open them if I want.

With a subscription you could share it with up to 5 family members and you can pause the sub when you're not using the app. Although I'd personally always prefer a one time purchase, and hope they stick with them for as long as possible, Logic is the one app I'd subscribe to if I had to.

I feel like I've had my money's worth out of that last Logic purchase in 2014 though! If I do have to subscribe in the future I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face. I like Logic enough that I'd subscribe if I had to, but don't tell Apple that.

At work the software I use to pretty much run my business has recently switched to a subscription only model and the cost of that is many times what I was paying for updates. There's also the risk that if I update I can't then go back if anything happens to the developer and I'm stuck. It would actually be cheaper for me to buy a Mac mini and mothball it on Sequoia than to pay 2 years subs so that's what I'm going to do. That will buy me time. If I have to subscribe in the future then so be it. In the meantime I'm sticking with the very last perpetual license.

As with everything I try not to be binary about issues. There are always shades of grey and I see myself as somewhat a centrist. I don't like subs but never say never. Sometimes they're better value for me than a perpetual license, sometimes they're not. I will make a decision on a product by product basis. Having said that so far perpetual is winning most of those battles!

TLDR. If, say, the only way to get Logic on the Mac was to subscribe, then I'd subscribe. If there was a way to only sub to logic and not the rest of the creator studio I'd probably do that.

I'd like to see an in-app purchase in Logic Pro to open old, incompatible files! For whatever reason, when I upgraded some time ago a whole series of files became impossible to open running on a modern version of Logic. Major problem that Apple has never even attempted to address.

NeuM · January 14

@Samu said:
The question I'm asking is how long it will stay at the $129/year?
I would NOT be surprised at all if it's $149 next year and $199 the year after that?!

Considering these are 'Creative Apps' 1TB of iCloud storage should be included as standard.

This is typical 'Drug Pusher Tactics' give the customer some free or cheap samples and when they are hooked enough they will pay anything to get the rush...

I'd recommend paying the full $199 for Logic Pro, locking in all future upgrades. And if one is a heavy user of Final Cut Pro, spring for the one-time purchase also. A bit more of a hit to the pocketbook up front, but a better long-term investment.

klownshed · January 14

@NeuM said:

@klownshed said:

@oldsynthguy said:
If I was into video editing, I’d probably give this a go on a month-to-month basis, even though I already have Logic on desktop. I’m not, so it’s a pass from me. For those that are, and use Logic too, it’s a good deal.

But in the long term, subscriptions suck ass, and you end up paying more for the same stuff.

Thin end of the wedge. Gotta pay for those pricey data centres somehow I guess!

Logic has been an outlier on desktop. I have been using Logic since day 1 and upgraded many times, the last time was in 2014. Every update since then has been free.

However if you use, say, Ableton Live you'd spend more than the subscription cost on keeping it upgraded if you updated every version. Obviously if you pay for a perpetual (hahah as if anything lasts forever) license you could keep using it for years on moth-balled equipment,

I actually have Logic 7 running on an old iMac which I have at my office as a dedicated printer server for a large formate Epson which runs on firewire. Far easier than trying to make it work with current computers... I sometimes need to open Logic 7 to convert old Logic 4 files to be able to open them in the latest version of Logic on the Mac! "need" is a strong word. I don't "need" any old files from years ago but it's nice to be able to open them if I want.

With a subscription you could share it with up to 5 family members and you can pause the sub when you're not using the app. Although I'd personally always prefer a one time purchase, and hope they stick with them for as long as possible, Logic is the one app I'd subscribe to if I had to.

I feel like I've had my money's worth out of that last Logic purchase in 2014 though! If I do have to subscribe in the future I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face. I like Logic enough that I'd subscribe if I had to, but don't tell Apple that.

At work the software I use to pretty much run my business has recently switched to a subscription only model and the cost of that is many times what I was paying for updates. There's also the risk that if I update I can't then go back if anything happens to the developer and I'm stuck. It would actually be cheaper for me to buy a Mac mini and mothball it on Sequoia than to pay 2 years subs so that's what I'm going to do. That will buy me time. If I have to subscribe in the future then so be it. In the meantime I'm sticking with the very last perpetual license.

As with everything I try not to be binary about issues. There are always shades of grey and I see myself as somewhat a centrist. I don't like subs but never say never. Sometimes they're better value for me than a perpetual license, sometimes they're not. I will make a decision on a product by product basis. Having said that so far perpetual is winning most of those battles!

TLDR. If, say, the only way to get Logic on the Mac was to subscribe, then I'd subscribe. If there was a way to only sub to logic and not the rest of the creator studio I'd probably do that.

I'd like to see an in-app purchase in Logic Pro to open old, incompatible files! For whatever reason, when I upgraded some time ago a whole series of files became impossible to open running on a modern version of Logic. Major problem that Apple has never even attempted to address.

They must be pretty old files as the current version can open files from Logic 7. I know this as I’ve opened quite a few just recently.

Turns out one of the projects was full of 8 bit aiff files (although I don’t think that’s the case, probably just really old audio formats that Logic can’t read properly) so couldn’t play it anyway.

Turns out Nothing much I made pre Logic 7 was worth keeping around

Samu · January 14

@NeuM said:

I'd recommend paying the full $199 for Logic Pro, locking in all future upgrades. And if one is a heavy user of Final Cut Pro, spring for the one-time purchase also. A bit more of a hit to the pocketbook up front, but a better long-term investment.

Already have full Logic on my Mac but I'm on an Intel Mac so I won't even be able to run the next LogicPro for Mac version as it requires Apple Silicon Chip

NeuM · January 14

@klownshed said:

@NeuM said:

@klownshed said:

@oldsynthguy said:
If I was into video editing, I’d probably give this a go on a month-to-month basis, even though I already have Logic on desktop. I’m not, so it’s a pass from me. For those that are, and use Logic too, it’s a good deal.

But in the long term, subscriptions suck ass, and you end up paying more for the same stuff.

Thin end of the wedge. Gotta pay for those pricey data centres somehow I guess!

Logic has been an outlier on desktop. I have been using Logic since day 1 and upgraded many times, the last time was in 2014. Every update since then has been free.

However if you use, say, Ableton Live you'd spend more than the subscription cost on keeping it upgraded if you updated every version. Obviously if you pay for a perpetual (hahah as if anything lasts forever) license you could keep using it for years on moth-balled equipment,

I actually have Logic 7 running on an old iMac which I have at my office as a dedicated printer server for a large formate Epson which runs on firewire. Far easier than trying to make it work with current computers... I sometimes need to open Logic 7 to convert old Logic 4 files to be able to open them in the latest version of Logic on the Mac! "need" is a strong word. I don't "need" any old files from years ago but it's nice to be able to open them if I want.

With a subscription you could share it with up to 5 family members and you can pause the sub when you're not using the app. Although I'd personally always prefer a one time purchase, and hope they stick with them for as long as possible, Logic is the one app I'd subscribe to if I had to.

I feel like I've had my money's worth out of that last Logic purchase in 2014 though! If I do have to subscribe in the future I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face. I like Logic enough that I'd subscribe if I had to, but don't tell Apple that.

At work the software I use to pretty much run my business has recently switched to a subscription only model and the cost of that is many times what I was paying for updates. There's also the risk that if I update I can't then go back if anything happens to the developer and I'm stuck. It would actually be cheaper for me to buy a Mac mini and mothball it on Sequoia than to pay 2 years subs so that's what I'm going to do. That will buy me time. If I have to subscribe in the future then so be it. In the meantime I'm sticking with the very last perpetual license.

As with everything I try not to be binary about issues. There are always shades of grey and I see myself as somewhat a centrist. I don't like subs but never say never. Sometimes they're better value for me than a perpetual license, sometimes they're not. I will make a decision on a product by product basis. Having said that so far perpetual is winning most of those battles!

TLDR. If, say, the only way to get Logic on the Mac was to subscribe, then I'd subscribe. If there was a way to only sub to logic and not the rest of the creator studio I'd probably do that.

I'd like to see an in-app purchase in Logic Pro to open old, incompatible files! For whatever reason, when I upgraded some time ago a whole series of files became impossible to open running on a modern version of Logic. Major problem that Apple has never even attempted to address.

They must be pretty old files as the current version can open files from Logic 7. I know this as I’ve opened quite a few just recently.

Turns out one of the projects was full of 8 bit aiff files (although I don’t think that’s the case, probably just really old audio formats that Logic can’t read properly) so couldn’t play it anyway.

Turns out Nothing much I made pre Logic 7 was worth keeping around

I'm not even sure if these old files are worth my time, but I'd like to be able to hear them again and find out. 😂

FizzyLizzy27 · January 14

Interesting to think of it as a tool rental service. What if we took it to a daily rental charge. If it’s $12.99/month, would I pay ~$0.50 for one day of use? $4/week? (Rough back of napkin tier pricing). Maybe. 🤔

NeuM · January 14

@FizzyLizzy27 said:
Interesting to think of it as a tool rental service. What if we took it to a daily rental charge. If it’s $12.99/month, would I pay ~$0.50 for one day of use? $4/week? (Rough back of napkin tier pricing). Maybe. 🤔

With the margins they have to make, I'm not sure a one day rental would make sense for them... but it would be interesting to see them experiment with 1 week or 2 week rentals.

NeuM · January 14

@dendy said:
For me it’s absolutely straightforward.

No to subscription for apps. Regardless of conditions, amount of apps and price.

Full stop.

I don't like subscriptions either, but if the value is there and there are no credible alternatives then I'll do it for a project.

NeuM · January 14

@BiancaNeve said:
Well I think being able to dip in and out of Final Cut Pro at £12.99 a month sounds like a bargain not to mention the other stuff in the bundle (shame there’s no discount for already owning logic though)

There are few things available for such a low cost these days anyway with the inflated costs of everything. How much does it cost for a single meal at a restaurant? In California right now one is looking at a minimum of $25-30 per person. Use of this software for a month at the price they are advertising is then comparatively a bargain.

NeuM · January 14

@Samu said:
The question I'm asking is how long it will stay at the $129/year?
I would NOT be surprised at all if it's $149 next year and $199 the year after that?!

Considering these are 'Creative Apps' 1TB of iCloud storage should be included as standard.

This is typical 'Drug Pusher Tactics' give the customer some free or cheap samples and when they are hooked enough they will pay anything to get the rush...

I've previously used Adobe and their online storage for a project, but did not know what were the current policies (to compare to Apple). Here's what I found, using an AI for the answer:

When your Adobe Creative Cloud subscription expires, your account automatically converts to a free membership level. This allows continued access to any files stored locally on your devices, but cloud-based access and storage are restricted.Adobe does retain your projects and files on their servers initially, but this is not indefinite. Your cloud storage allowance drops to 5GB under the free membership.

If your stored files exceed this limit at the time of expiration, you get a 30-day grace period to download or otherwise reduce your cloud usage. After that, you could lose access to some or all of the excess files on Adobe's servers.

Additionally, in a free account, files may be permanently deleted after a prolonged period of inactivity, though Adobe sends an email notice beforehand.

Projects are not always accessible on their servers post-expiration. While you can still view and manage eligible cloud documents (such as those from apps like Photoshop, Illustrator, or XD) through the Creative Cloud website or limited free app versions, this is subject to the 5GB limit and any inactivity policies.

Note that as of early 2025 (and thus in 2026), Adobe has discontinued the "Creative Cloud Synced files" feature for all personal users. This means general files previously synced via the "Creative Cloud Files" folder on your device no longer have cloud backups—those cloud copies have been deleted, though local copies remain on your machine.

App-specific cloud documents and libraries (e.g., color palettes or assets in Creative Cloud Libraries) are unaffected by this change and follow the general storage rules above.Adobe does not strictly require you to download your files, but it's highly advisable to do so before your plan ends, especially if you're over the 5GB threshold or relying on cloud access. You can download them via the Creative Cloud desktop app, website, or directly from within compatible apps during the grace period.

For certain assets like Lightroom photos, there's an extended one-year window post-expiration to download them.

So, I'm not sure there's any real competitive pressure for Apple to provide a free 1TB of online storage to compete with Adobe since Adobe has significantly reduced their own online storage offerings.

NeuM · January 14

@klownshed said:
Cubase 15 for Mac or PC costs £481.

An upgrade to 15 from 14 is £83. Major versions come out about once a year.

Reason 13 for Mac or PC costs £499. Upgrades are £149. And come out a little less than once a year.

A subscription costs £19.99 per month.

Adobe Creative Cloud costs £65 per month.

£12.99 gets you FCP, Pixelmator and Logic Pro plus some other stuff on both iPad and Mac for up to five family members. Or £29 a year for educators and students.

I don’t like subs. At all.

But that’s not bad value when you think about what you’re getting.

You obviously get the maximum benefit if you want FCP and Logic and use both Macs and iPads and have multiple family members that would otherwise want to buy those apps.

Hopefully you’ll still be able to just get Logic for iPad too without all the other stuff. We’ll find out soon.

Based on what I read, the software rental price includes desktop and mobile versions. And up to 5 family members on your account can use all of them. That's a great deal.

oldsynthguy · January 14

@NeuM said:

@Samu said:
The question I'm asking is how long it will stay at the $129/year?
I would NOT be surprised at all if it's $149 next year and $199 the year after that?!

Considering these are 'Creative Apps' 1TB of iCloud storage should be included as standard.

This is typical 'Drug Pusher Tactics' give the customer some free or cheap samples and when they are hooked enough they will pay anything to get the rush...

I'd recommend paying the full $199 for Logic Pro, locking in all future upgrades. And if one is a heavy user of Final Cut Pro, spring for the one-time purchase also. A bit more of a hit to the pocketbook up front, but a better long-term investment.

Might be worth checking the Store feedback for Photomator, before doing that.

FizzyLizzy27 · January 14

@NeuM said:

@FizzyLizzy27 said:
Interesting to think of it as a tool rental service. What if we took it to a daily rental charge. If it’s $12.99/month, would I pay ~$0.50 for one day of use? $4/week? (Rough back of napkin tier pricing). Maybe. 🤔

With the margins they have to make, I'm not sure a one day rental would make sense for them... but it would be interesting to see them experiment with 1 week or 2 week rentals.

Honestly it would be hard to think of a 1 day use case for the whole suite outside of some weird group crunch. Agreed that 1 or 2 weeks makes more sense than a daily plan. I could see a couple people on a family plan doing a weekend project. Game jams would be a cool use case or record and edit a music video. Renting a suite is different than an individual tool, so comparing it to something like renting a PA system would be the better analogy than a power washer. You can go to guitar center and buy a whole PA system, piece it together over time, or rent as needed for an event. A “rent to own” model could be a good idea if done right.

Lots of spitballing ideas there from me. I guess I’m more in support of this than I initially thought as long as there’s an option to own the software as an offline install.

klownshed · January 14

@oldsynthguy said:

@NeuM said:

@Samu said:
The question I'm asking is how long it will stay at the $129/year?
I would NOT be surprised at all if it's $149 next year and $199 the year after that?!

Considering these are 'Creative Apps' 1TB of iCloud storage should be included as standard.

This is typical 'Drug Pusher Tactics' give the customer some free or cheap samples and when they are hooked enough they will pay anything to get the rush...

I'd recommend paying the full $199 for Logic Pro, locking in all future upgrades. And if one is a heavy user of Final Cut Pro, spring for the one-time purchase also. A bit more of a hit to the pocketbook up front, but a better long-term investment.

Might be worth checking the Store feedback for Photomator, before doing that.

Photomator? I've actually been using that a lot recently as it can access files as well as the main photo library so is kind of an Aperture replacement for me with my old photo libraries... I was a little surprised it wasn't in the bundle.

I like it. Store feedback is location dependent. What's up?

oldsynthguy · January 14

@klownshed said:

@oldsynthguy said:

@NeuM said:

@Samu said:
The question I'm asking is how long it will stay at the $129/year?
I would NOT be surprised at all if it's $149 next year and $199 the year after that?!

Considering these are 'Creative Apps' 1TB of iCloud storage should be included as standard.

This is typical 'Drug Pusher Tactics' give the customer some free or cheap samples and when they are hooked enough they will pay anything to get the rush...

I'd recommend paying the full $199 for Logic Pro, locking in all future upgrades. And if one is a heavy user of Final Cut Pro, spring for the one-time purchase also. A bit more of a hit to the pocketbook up front, but a better long-term investment.

Might be worth checking the Store feedback for Photomator, before doing that.

Photomator? I've actually been using that a lot recently as it can access files as well as the main photo library so is kind of an Aperture replacement for me with my old photo libraries... I was a little surprised it wasn't in the bundle.

I like it. Store feedback is location dependent. What's up?

A number of comments from purchasers who are now locked out, being asked to pay again and subscribe.

No idea if that’s the case - I checked it out after a comment on Macrumors, so maybe they bought a version a long while back! But if so, it shows Apple aren’t averse to switching users onto a sub.

klownshed · January 14

@oldsynthguy said:

@klownshed said:

@oldsynthguy said:

@NeuM said:

@Samu said:
The question I'm asking is how long it will stay at the $129/year?
I would NOT be surprised at all if it's $149 next year and $199 the year after that?!

Considering these are 'Creative Apps' 1TB of iCloud storage should be included as standard.

This is typical 'Drug Pusher Tactics' give the customer some free or cheap samples and when they are hooked enough they will pay anything to get the rush...

I'd recommend paying the full $199 for Logic Pro, locking in all future upgrades. And if one is a heavy user of Final Cut Pro, spring for the one-time purchase also. A bit more of a hit to the pocketbook up front, but a better long-term investment.

Might be worth checking the Store feedback for Photomator, before doing that.

Photomator? I've actually been using that a lot recently as it can access files as well as the main photo library so is kind of an Aperture replacement for me with my old photo libraries... I was a little surprised it wasn't in the bundle.

I like it. Store feedback is location dependent. What's up?

A number of comments from purchasers who are now locked out, being asked to pay again and subscribe.

No idea if that’s the case - I checked it out after a comment on Macrumors, so maybe they bought a version a long while back! But if so, it shows Apple aren’t averse to switching users onto a sub.

Still works for me. I bought it as a lifetime OTP as I didn’t want to subscribe.

Samu · January 14

I bought Pixelmator Pro for Mac a few years back. The new version will require macOS26 so I guess I'm stuck with the old version for now, too bad the iPad version will be subscription only...

One thing Apple could do is to give the Photos.app on the iPad the same functionality and UI as Photos.app has on the Mac.
I actually enjoy using the Photos.app on the Mac.

Two more weeks to go and we'll see what happens, maybe Apple will even drop some new M5 Mac's before it's time for the subscripting thing to go live

abf · January 14

I wonder if there are any super robust, high quality hardware multitrackers made these days? Apple, useless updates, subscriptions, constantly shifting "standards", and planned obsolescence are exhausting to me. I don't want or care about generative "help" or AI.
I'm sick of it all.

RajahP · January 14

@Telstar5 said:
New Logic Pro features for both Mac AND iPad

New “Synth Player “ and “chord ID “

Logic Pro gains new capabilities aimed at both professional musicians and content creators producing original music. Synth Player joins the existing AI Session Player lineup, offering electronic music performances with various chordal and synth bass parts. Developed by Apple’s sound design team, Synth Player can work with Logic Pro’s built-in synthesizers, third-party Audio Units plugins, or external hardware synthesizers.
Chord ID uses AI to analyze audio or MIDI recordings and convert them into usable chord progressions, eliminating manual transcription work. The feature can identify complex harmonic content from recordings and automatically populate Logic Pro’s chord track, which drives all AI Session Player

Knew this was coming… by some developer are there any videos on it?

NeuM · January 14

@Samu said:
I bought Pixelmator Pro for Mac a few years back. The new version will require macOS26 so I guess I'm stuck with the old version for now, too bad the iPad version will be subscription only...

One thing Apple could do is to give the Photos.app on the iPad the same functionality and UI as Photos.app has on the Mac.
I actually enjoy using the Photos.app on the Mac.

Two more weeks to go and we'll see what happens, maybe Apple will even drop some new M5 Mac's before it's time for the subscripting thing to go live

Now that Apple and Google have forged a deal so Google will power the new Siri, I think more AI-based updates will soon follow. Apple cannot afford to just sit by and watch this wave of innovation.

NeuM · January 14

@oldsynthguy said:

@NeuM said:

@Samu said:
The question I'm asking is how long it will stay at the $129/year?
I would NOT be surprised at all if it's $149 next year and $199 the year after that?!

Considering these are 'Creative Apps' 1TB of iCloud storage should be included as standard.

This is typical 'Drug Pusher Tactics' give the customer some free or cheap samples and when they are hooked enough they will pay anything to get the rush...

I'd recommend paying the full $199 for Logic Pro, locking in all future upgrades. And if one is a heavy user of Final Cut Pro, spring for the one-time purchase also. A bit more of a hit to the pocketbook up front, but a better long-term investment.

Might be worth checking the Store feedback for Photomator, before doing that.

Actually it's Pixelmator Pro and it's working fine on my system.

RajahP · January 14

Interesting

oldsynthguy · January 14

@klownshed said:
Still works for me. I bought it as a lifetime OTP as I didn’t want to subscribe.

Checked the reviews again, seems the comments are from iOS version purchasers trying to use the Mac version (it's listed as being compatible on both platforms) and being asked to pay again. So maybe not so straightforward a pricing change as I thought. Maybe I need to stop mentioning it as I don't even have the app

@NeuM said:
Actually it's Pixelmator Pro and it's working fine on my system.

Updated two months ago: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/photomator/id1444636541

I vaguely remember buying the original Pixelmator though when it was first released, and it kept freezing up on my MBP. I contacted support, they couldn't replicate the issue and refused a refund. Then the app was replaced a while later with a totally new version. Still have bad vibes about that one.

Pxlhg · January 14

@dendy said:
For me it’s absolutely straightforward.

No to subscription for apps. Regardless of conditions, amount of apps and price.

Full stop.

I hear you Dendy it's a devilish invention BUT I for one can't buy Logic, I can't buy Final Cut, I could buy Pixelmator but it's also a bit much for my economy.
Now! I can have them all for a monthly bottle of vine (or a few coffees) and that's fine. I also have Reason but that's it for subscriptions so.. it's fine in a bit of cringy way 🥲☺️😊

NeuM · January 14

@oldsynthguy said:

@klownshed said:
Still works for me. I bought it as a lifetime OTP as I didn’t want to subscribe.

Checked the reviews again, seems the comments are from iOS version purchasers trying to use the Mac version (it's listed as being compatible on both platforms) and being asked to pay again. So maybe not so straightforward a pricing change as I thought. Maybe I need to stop mentioning it as I don't even have the app

@NeuM said:
Actually it's Pixelmator Pro and it's working fine on my system.

Updated two months ago: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/photomator/id1444636541

I vaguely remember buying the original Pixelmator though when it was first released, and it kept freezing up on my MBP. I contacted support, they couldn't replicate the issue and refused a refund. Then the app was replaced a while later with a totally new version. Still have bad vibes about that one.

Huh. That's news to me. Thanks for the info!

EDIT: OK, now I remember why I deleted it. It's subscription based, while Pixelmator Pro (which I still have) was a one-time purchase. I'll stick with my out-of-date Pixelmator Pro and the now free Affinity.

Cambler · January 15

@mikewb said:
Well at least my University job will allow me to get all of these for just $29/year. I don’t think that was an option for the iPad subscriptions previously? My greatest update wish is the full version of Sampler for the iPad and no more “missing sample” warnings for my user created instruments.

Same and it works out cheaper than the current full Logic for iPad sub so it's a no brainer really. Finally my casual teaching gig is paying off!

dendy · January 16

@Pxlhg said:

@dendy said:
For me it’s absolutely straightforward.

No to subscription for apps. Regardless of conditions, amount of apps and price.

Full stop.

I hear you Dendy it's a devilish invention BUT I for one can't buy Logic, I can't buy Final Cut, I could buy Pixelmator but it's also a bit much for my economy.
Now! I can have them all for a monthly bottle of vine (or a few coffees) and that's fine. I also have Reason but that's it for subscriptions so.. it's fine in a bit of cringy way 🥲☺️😊

Yup i understand ... Totally valid point of view. I am looking at it more in long term - i see that for example in timespan of 3 years i would give them hundreds of dolars and still have nothing .. I really suffer even for Netflix and Amazon Prime subscriptions we pay , but at least my wife is watching that crap almost every day

Loopy Pro: Create music, your way.

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