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Im also a big believer in not keeping all my eggs in one basket, as the saying goes. The only reason I only used an iPad for many years was because I only had enough pennies for the one basket!
At the end of the day, what we use is ultimately down to what we can afford. So when desktop starts competing value for money-wise, and an LP4i sub nearly triples in price, we have to think carefully about which platform we spend our hobby cash on.
So it’s worth talking about this stuff, since we’re all on a budget.
I will still use the iPad, but will only be buying universal (or very unique apps that take full potential of the touchscreen) apps from now on, to avoid putting all my eggs in the one basket.
Yep sums it up for me too. Was going to buy some more so called 'DAWless' hardware to soon, but having to watch those price rises. Fancied some backpackable devices, but boy have those prices risen! Might have to get some rechargeables for my SP404mk2 and use that with my iPad again on holidays
@oldsynthguy it is worth talking about, I agree. It's worth remembering that iOS does have the big advantage, to some people at least, of multi-touch. I guess some people who get used to desktop learn to live without that as part of their workflow, and that's fair enough. What Wim said above is also true though, you do sometimes get the impression that some people's frustration with iOS might be a case of blaming the tools rather than the workman. None of this is to say there aren't drawbacks to iOS. There are, and Fruitbat mentioned some already earlier, those old gripes like the lack of headphone jack, low battery life. These are things that piss me off too.
Hey @Fruitbat1919 ,
I apologize. I should have kept my comment to myself. I did not want to target you but just express how the post made me feel. I guess doing one without the other was not possible.
Accepted. Yes, you could and I would encourage you to vent your frustrations, and would gladly help you write them in a way that was less likely to feel like a personal attack, even if that was not the intention.
Even though some may think its 'corny' lol, I would suggest you write a humerous piece of your own with your feelings on the subject. Feel free to post it here in this thread.
As ive said though, mine was simply not to deminish the great pleasure we get from iPad music making or to encourage any us or them style discussion. My aim was simply a humourous look and soul searching at why I use my iPad so much less than I once did - she still loves me though!
The apps that used to take most advantage of this are pretty long in the tooth now - Samplr, Thumbjam, TC-data etc. Even Geoshred is getting on a bit now. Instead we’re seeing a lot of desktop ports and emulations, where a touchscreen is sometimes less user friendly than a mouse or touchpad. Touchscreen innovation seems pretty scarce these days.
Where’s that? I though he said something about being followed by a cat?
I’m not ‘blaming the tools’. I just find there a better ones these days on desktop, and at a similar - or sometimes better price. Klevgrand are currently offering me an 80% off deal on their desktop software, which makes them cheaper than what I paid for iOS versions. It’d be rude not to take them up on that.
Don’t set me up as an anti-iOS hate figure. I still use the iPad, just not as much as I used to. As I said above, I’ll still buy universal apps, and any that take full advantage of the touchscreen.
Yes, I think its quite resonable to point out the changes that are happening with the iPad music making ecosystem, especially while Apple still treat the device like a consumption device with its lack of ports etc.
Im sure Apple are quite happy that Ive bought two Macs and two iPads because single devices are limited in some areas or cost too much for a single purchase for myself - like a fully decked out Macbook Pro would. I would love an iPad that fullfills my current needs so that I can have the wonders of touch apps and the solid nature of long term DAWs on my Macs....just aint happening though and to be honest, its not really an issue having multiple devices for differnet occasions.
Im still always going to make comments the whole world over though about the one port on an iPad. If everyone did possibly Apple would listen, but in the mean time....it just makes me feel a little better for releasing my thoughts on the subject, even in poor humour form lol
P.s.....its not like im asking for a Scuzzy port lol
Well I thought it was humorous @Fruitbat1919 😊
I’m also honoured @ecou to be mentioned in the same sentence as that classic quartet of Jim, Irena, Richard and Mike 🙏
Personally, other than my initial dabble with a Korg Kaoss pad and then a Roli Seaboard, the IPad and AUM are all I’ve ever known.
Then GeoShred came along and my life changed for the better.
Since my playing surface and the sounds, effects, tools etc. that I need are, for me, more or less that same thing and are all handily available in a little light weight shiny glass and metal thingamabob I can’t see myself ever moving away from the iPad…
… but I can also see the lure of moving to new hardware and software… so like everything else in life, no rights, no wrongs 🤔
Just curious....was you here under a different name before GeoShread came out? And what did you make music on before it appeared on the scene? Have you ever thought....O my, my online name could have been 'insert random iPad app here'Tony!
I didn't!
I was a big fan of TouchScaper pre GeoShred @Fruitbat1919 .
I’ve just checked the first track I ever posted on SoundCloud and it uses both TS and GS.
I guess if Rob would have carried on developing TS I might have been TouchScaperTony although I’m not sure it’s quite as snappy 🤔
Yeah it doesnt have that perzazz
and probably sounds a bit 'man hanging around the park' lol
I got my nickname from hanging upsidedown at a party and when they took my pants off someone said I looked like a fruitbat.....it could have been much worse lol
So that's how you got your artist name.
I always wondered.
The more I’m using desktop the more I realize how well the iPad works when dedicated to one task. It’s tricky doing DAW work poking around the screen, setting up MIDI, tweaking per app settings, etc. The production side to me is 1000x easier to do on desktop with extra input methods - a trackball/mouse, full keyboard, external monitors that let you move plugins to a different screen than the main DAW. You can use these with iPad but it’s clearly not designed around it. The iPad is fantastic when I only have GeoShred up using IDAM to control my Mac DAW, have notes on software pulled up, or use it as an extra screen in sidecar mode.
Yep pretty much how I feel about it. Still great as a tool for certain things, but not at its best as my central music making hub with loads of devices attached.
For me, I found using the iPad Mini as-is works amazing for me. My SMK-25 keyboard also hooks up nicely to it as do my Airpods Pros. It's all I need for music creation. I've created hundreds of tracks on iPhone and iPad over the years and still continue to do so to this day.
I can't mentally wrap my head around using a PC/Mac like I used to, and that's alright. What works for one producer probably won't work exactly for another producer, even within iOS itself.
Such as, some producers swear by Logic Pro. For me, Logic didn't work out for me in the end, but that doesn't mean I'll stop anyone else from using it. Plus, it's tough for me to stick to one music creation environment for more than 2-3 months, whether that's Cubasis, Auxy Studio, AUM, FLSM, Gadget, etc. (Although I do use Cubasis all the time for vocal work and mastering tracks.)
So all in all, if the iPad isn't your cup of tea as your main music creation environment, no worries. 😌 This forum has evolved from Audiobus into an iOS hub and now into a celebration of music creation itself. And I'm thankful to have this forum.
Good thread Fruitbat. Good forum @Michael .
@jwmmakerofmusic I do wonder if paradoxically I’d do better on a mini vs my behemoth 12.9”. I love my Mini 4 but she’s long in the tooth at this point. But tapping around the pro feels like I travel ten feet every time I need to tap across the screen. I can’t really use it without a desk or my lap.
Which is the reason why I stopped using my 12.9" pro ages ago, lol. Just too large and too many arm movements and, yeah, I need a desk for it too.
A base level iPad is as large as I need. Of course if I were to get a new iPad Air for sheet music reading, I'd go for the 12.9" then.
I sit in front of my Mac all day long, as I’m a motion designer. My mind refuse to sit in front of another computer for making music, lol.
I make electronic music, house and techno mainly, so I don’t need external instruments or devices, and my iPad Pro 12.9 is a dream come true for me. I have a simple setup: korg gadget or Grooverider 2 for composing, my samples library, and cubasis 3 for mixing and mastering.
But I really like to read different opinions or setups, because there is always something new to learn.
I went for the 13” Air last year, despite a number of comments on here about the bigger iPads being unwieldy.
And I found it was the case.
Despite being a perfect size for LP4i (which I stopped using), it is really awkward to hold, so best suited to use on a desk.
Same! I can't be creative on a desktop computer to save my life. I chalk it up to 10+ hour days supporting the damn things for so many years. The iPad saved me.
It's also the best for recording guitar. I'll never forget the first time I plugged into an iPad and got ... no buzz, no fan noise, nothin'. I had struggled with that for so many years with the PC.
Exactly, or also best suited on a music stand for my purposes.
I need that bigger screen for reading sheet music, but not for producing music. That's why my Mini is still very handy dandy.
Yeah, I still use my Air 4 11”, though the 13” is great for watching vids. If/when I buy my next iPad, I’ll go for an 11” and spend the difference on storage.
Which model mini do you have?
xAct….
The current latest one. I think it's 7th gen.
It has 512gb, which is the minimal amount of storage I require for any iDevice.
Sometimes language and cultural differences get in the way. I think it's just a misunderstanding now that I reflect on it.
I think that's what happened. My friend misinterpreted the initial post as "yet another iOS bashing" post, not realizing that it was a goofy lighthearted post. Something a little corny and cringe, but from a spirit of fun.
But honestly, when people start outright bitching about iOS (which Fruitbat is not doing here) rather than being productive with what is most comfortable for them to use, it is grating on the nerves not gonna lie. 😂 Nobody is forcing them to stick to iOS only.
So for me, it's refreshing to see a lighthearted post on the topic and for fruitful discussion to come of it.
I wish my Mini 5 was still usable. My parents, wife, and sister all pitched in one year for my birthday to get me the pink gold one. I loved it, but a few months after getting it I dropped it and it landed face down on a patch of sidewalk. I thought the case I had was a bit sturdier but the entire front was absolutely shattered. I still have it and use it here and there but that thing would’ve been my daily driver.