AudioPipeline AUv3 (Link AUDIO Send+Receive AUv3 plugins) [AppStore AVAILABLE]

Pxlhg · May 15

@dendy said:

@Pxlhg said:
Should this work with Logic or are they behind on the feature? I tried (I've had this from the start but not tried until now, bad tester)

I then tried with Cubasis and it works fine but I have no apps that don't work anyway in C whereas Logic don't do IAA, like Borderland so I wanted to give it shot.

It did not work with Logic, if I'm not clear

yeah It should definitely.. you mean Logic on iOS yes ?

Yes I do! I'll try again later, see if I missed something. Thank you Dendy!

dendy · May 15

@Pxlhg said:

@dendy said:

@Pxlhg said:
Should this work with Logic or are they behind on the feature? I tried (I've had this from the start but not tried until now, bad tester)

I then tried with Cubasis and it works fine but I have no apps that don't work anyway in C whereas Logic don't do IAA, like Borderland so I wanted to give it shot.

It did not work with Logic, if I'm not clear

yeah It should definitely.. you mean Logic on iOS yes ?

Yes I do! I'll try again later, see if I missed something. Thank you Dendy!

if something does not, try to be more speciffic, eventually put some screenshot of loaded plugins sender / receiver and describe what excatly it is doing / not doing

wim · May 15

Hey @dendy, if you feel like putting some additional useful experience under your belt, making a fully compatible MacOS version would be a huge boost for AudioPipeline's usefulness. I'm not talking about simply making it available on Apple Silicon, but a full Mac Catalyst assisted native app extension which would be compatible with Intel Macs as well. @Rob_Jackson_Music has said it's not a huge amount of work to go this extra distance. I can't say if that holds true for mere mortals or not though.

Selfish motives here, as I would love to try using AudioPipeline inside other Desktop DAWs such as FL Studio, GarageBand Mac, and the great free Hosting AU app.

However, I wouldn't even suggest it if I didn't think it could be a worthwhile use of your time. It seems like it would open up some potential in your DAW project and boost your name recognition as a developer as well.

Just a thought.

Basscleff · May 15

@dendy said:
notGivigFuckAboutPoliticalCorrextnessAndWokeism

Sad to read this from one of my favorite forum members. Both “political correctness” and “wokeism” are right-wing constructs aimed at shutting down free speech and oppressing minorities. Support for such ideas is always bad, but especially now with the rise of fascism across Europe and the Anglo world.

I have removed your app from my TestFlight.

Absolutely agree with you mistercharlie!

Cỗirácâyỗirpthui · May 16

Many pages in this thread, so apologies in advance if already answered:

Is this functionally similar to the KQ Voice Loopback plug-in?

Pxlhg · May 16

@dendy said:

@Pxlhg said:

@dendy said:

@Pxlhg said:
Should this work with Logic or are they behind on the feature? I tried (I've had this from the start but not tried until now, bad tester)

I then tried with Cubasis and it works fine but I have no apps that don't work anyway in C whereas Logic don't do IAA, like Borderland so I wanted to give it shot.

It did not work with Logic, if I'm not clear

yeah It should definitely.. you mean Logic on iOS yes ?

Yes I do! I'll try again later, see if I missed something. Thank you Dendy!

if something does not, try to be more speciffic, eventually put some screenshot of loaded plugins sender / receiver and describe what excatly it is doing / not doing

It works, it was me (no surprise there). So cool!

Edit: I can't get it to record though, the signal is there so I don't know why. Way to tired to take it any further now.

dendy · May 16

@Pxlhg said:
Edit: I can't get it to record though, the signal is there so I don't know why. Way to tired to take it any further now.

You need to use ReceiverFX (in FX slot) instead of Receiver instrument on audio track if you want to record. Most (probably all) iOS DAWs does not record audio from Instrument to audio track.

Rob_Jackson_Music · May 16

@wim, and for others interested in iOS / macOS cross-platform.

I don't use Mac Catalyst. I create separate builds for each platform using the JUCE Framework, then sell those versions as a single "Universal Purchase".

dendy · May 16

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dendy · May 16

@wim said:
Hey @dendy, if you feel like putting some additional useful experience under your belt, making a fully compatible MacOS version would be a huge boost for AudioPipeline's usefulness. I'm not talking about simply making it available on Apple Silicon, but a full Mac Catalyst assisted native app extension which would be compatible with Intel Macs as well. @Rob_Jackson_Music has said it's not a huge amount of work to go this extra distance. I can't say if that holds true for mere mortals or not though.

Selfish motives here, as I would love to try using AudioPipeline inside other Desktop DAWs such as FL Studio, GarageBand Mac, and the great free Hosting AU app.

However, I wouldn't even suggest it if I didn't think it could be a worthwhile use of your time. It seems like it would open up some potential in your DAW project and boost your name recognition as a developer as well.

Just a thought.

problem is when i asked Ableton for license for their SDK i explicitly wrote in licence agreemenent they send me that I am building iOS plugins - so here I am on gray area even with Apples “made for silicon” availabilitx - and I doesn’t want to risk some troubles by making it fully desktop plugin.

Also there IS already desktop plugin which is free and does bith Dend/Receive - and should be fully compatible with mine And because it uses same SDK as mine it should provide same (or even better if i fucked something lol) performance than AudioPipeline

Check the original thread here sbouz Link AUDIO - somebody pasted there plugin link at gumroad

Pxlhg · May 16

@dendy said:

@Pxlhg said:
Edit: I can't get it to record though, the signal is there so I don't know why. Way to tired to take it any further now.

You need to use ReceiverFX (in FX slot) instead of Receiver instrument on audio track if you want to record. Most (probably all) iOS DAWs does not record audio from Instrument to audio track.

You can't add instruments to an audio track, only midi tracks, or do you refer to send or even master. In Logic you can add the effect to: 1.Track 2.Send (bus) and/or 3.Master Output.

Gavinski · May 16

@Cỗirácâyỗirpthui said:
Many pages in this thread, so apologies in advance if already answered:

Is this functionally similar to the KQ Voice Loopback plug-in?

It's similar. I can't remember what the differences are, in any detail, but one huge difference is that Loopback can send and receive midi too, not just audio. I did a video on Loopback back in the day, but have never really used it since, so can't remember. Here it is though if you want to investigate:

wim · May 16

@Gavinski said:

@Cỗirácâyỗirpthui said:
Many pages in this thread, so apologies in advance if already answered:

Is this functionally similar to the KQ Voice Loopback plug-in?

It's similar. I can't remember what the differences are, in any detail, but one huge difference is that Loopback can send and receive midi too, not just audio. I did a video on Loopback back in the day, but have never really used it since, so can't remember. Here it is though if you want to investigate:

It's similar if you think of it in terms of a single device. Loopback can't work between devices.

It also seems to have less latency - very low within a single device, quite tolerable over USB or wired network, and even pretty darn usable over a good WiFi connection. It's also a lot easier for setting up multiple channels IMO.

Gavinski · May 16

@wim said:

@Gavinski said:

@Cỗirácâyỗirpthui said:
Many pages in this thread, so apologies in advance if already answered:

Is this functionally similar to the KQ Voice Loopback plug-in?

It's similar. I can't remember what the differences are, in any detail, but one huge difference is that Loopback can send and receive midi too, not just audio. I did a video on Loopback back in the day, but have never really used it since, so can't remember. Here it is though if you want to investigate:

It's similar if you think of it in terms of a single device. Loopback can't work between devices.

It also seems to have less latency - very low within a single device, quite tolerable over USB or wired network, and even pretty darn usable over a good WiFi connection. It's also a lot easier for setting up multiple channels IMO.

Thnx!

Gavinski · May 16

@Gavinski said:

@wim said:

@Gavinski said:

@Cỗirácâyỗirpthui said:
Many pages in this thread, so apologies in advance if already answered:

Is this functionally similar to the KQ Voice Loopback plug-in?

It's similar. I can't remember what the differences are, in any detail, but one huge difference is that Loopback can send and receive midi too, not just audio. I did a video on Loopback back in the day, but have never really used it since, so can't remember. Here it is though if you want to investigate:

It's similar if you think of it in terms of a single device. Loopback can't work between devices.

It also seems to have less latency - very low within a single device, quite tolerable over USB or wired network, and even pretty darn usable over a good WiFi connection. It's also a lot easier for setting up multiple channels IMO.

Thnx!

I think I remember it actually has zero latency on the same device btw. Might be wrong but pretty sure I saw that written somewhere.

slaq · May 16

@dendy said:

@Gavinski said:
China is not a dystopian lmao. I say that as someone who lived and worked there for 15 years. The USA is frankly more of a dystopian hell than China haha. I'm in Nepal, a very civilized and lovely country from my point of view, even if it does have its own unique problems 😁

It was joke from large part, at leasts regarding China :-))

Honeslty, I am happy to live in Europe cause I think it's best place to live on entire planet (especially the eastern countries - we have massively good ratio of personal freedom AND public safety AND life standard AND notGivigFuckAboutPoliticalCorrextnessAndWokeism AND people taking dark humour/sarcasm/irony as normal part of their daily life without getting offended here ).

BUT - if I would be forced with gun at my head to choose where to live - between USA and China - I would definitely choose China, zero doubt

@oldsynthguy
Great stuff!

Is there any possibility of adding support for older iOS versions? This works great on my M2, but my Air 4 is suck on 16x (I keep trying to install 18x but it fails every time).

It supports iOS 17 .. will look at it in try if it works on iOS16 .. will set you PM we can try beta build for iOS16.

Would great to have it on my old iPad Pro 1. Generation with iPad OS 16.xx

dendy · May 16

@Pxlhg said:

@dendy said:

@Pxlhg said:
Edit: I can't get it to record though, the signal is there so I don't know why. Way to tired to take it any further now.

You need to use ReceiverFX (in FX slot) instead of Receiver instrument on audio track if you want to record. Most (probably all) iOS DAWs does not record audio from Instrument to audio track.

You can't add instruments to an audio track, only midi tracks, or do you refer to send or even master. In Logic you can add the effect to: 1.Track 2.Send (bus) and/or 3.Master Output.

make sure you are on version 1.0.1 - i’ve covered this situation by adding Receiver also as AudiFX plugin which you can insert in FX slot and then record to audio track

Brw -it’s official version not the one in testflight

dendy · May 16

@slaq said:

@dendy said:

@Gavinski said:
China is not a dystopian lmao. I say that as someone who lived and worked there for 15 years. The USA is frankly more of a dystopian hell than China haha. I'm in Nepal, a very civilized and lovely country from my point of view, even if it does have its own unique problems 😁

It was joke from large part, at leasts regarding China :-))

Honeslty, I am happy to live in Europe cause I think it's best place to live on entire planet (especially the eastern countries - we have massively good ratio of personal freedom AND public safety AND life standard AND notGivigFuckAboutPoliticalCorrextnessAndWokeism AND people taking dark humour/sarcasm/irony as normal part of their daily life without getting offended here ).

BUT - if I would be forced with gun at my head to choose where to live - between USA and China - I would definitely choose China, zero doubt

@oldsynthguy
Great stuff!

Is there any possibility of adding support for older iOS versions? This works great on my M2, but my Air 4 is suck on 16x (I keep trying to install 18x but it fails every time).

It supports iOS 17 .. will look at it in try if it works on iOS16 .. will set you PM we can try beta build for iOS16.

Would great to have it on my old iPad Pro 1. Generation with iPad OS 16.xx

I have currently iOS15 support in testing .. i send you beta link, after anothe confirmation all worls as expected i push 1.0.2 update

slaq · May 16

Superb! Thanks 🙏

dendy · May 16

anybody with iOS15/16 - would be nice if you can test this build if ALL works like expecetd .. also test on higher version still makes sense to make sure this build doesn't break anything.

If all ok, then sheduled in next 1.0.2. update

https://testflight.apple.com/join/9M25bHpq
Build 1.0.2. (2)

dendy · May 16

@Gavinski said:

@Gavinski said:

@wim said:

@Gavinski said:

@Cỗirácâyỗirpthui said:
Many pages in this thread, so apologies in advance if already answered:

Is this functionally similar to the KQ Voice Loopback plug-in?

It's similar. I can't remember what the differences are, in any detail, but one huge difference is that Loopback can send and receive midi too, not just audio. I did a video on Loopback back in the day, but have never really used it since, so can't remember. Here it is though if you want to investigate:

It's similar if you think of it in terms of a single device. Loopback can't work between devices.

It also seems to have less latency - very low within a single device, quite tolerable over USB or wired network, and even pretty darn usable over a good WiFi connection. It's also a lot easier for setting up multiple channels IMO.

Thnx!

I think I remember it actually has zero latency on the same device btw. Might be wrong but pretty sure I saw that written somewhere.

U guess Loopback works simpler way than Link AUDIO cause it is not network based protocol - it just (my raw guess) shares audio/midi stream through shared class instance available to all plugin instances on same device .. MUCMUCH simpler scenario that LinkAUDIO which is full blown networking protocol. Which intevitably introduces latency.

Would say 2 different usa cases which just partial cover. Propably for routing in-device is Loopback better ?

espiegel123 · May 16

@wim said:

@Gavinski said:

@Cỗirácâyỗirpthui said:
Many pages in this thread, so apologies in advance if already answered:

Is this functionally similar to the KQ Voice Loopback plug-in?

It's similar. I can't remember what the differences are, in any detail, but one huge difference is that Loopback can send and receive midi too, not just audio. I did a video on Loopback back in the day, but have never really used it since, so can't remember. Here it is though if you want to investigate:

It's similar if you think of it in terms of a single device. Loopback can't work between devices.

It also seems to have less latency - very low within a single device, quite tolerable over USB or wired network, and even pretty darn usable over a good WiFi connection. It's also a lot easier for setting up multiple channels IMO.

Which are you saying has lower latency? I find that Loopback has the best latency on a single device—at least recorded. Maybe it is reporting its latency better to hosts? But loopback can’t receive from Link Audio apps like Note.

wim · May 16

@espiegel123 said:

@wim said:

@Gavinski said:

@Cỗirácâyỗirpthui said:
Many pages in this thread, so apologies in advance if already answered:

Is this functionally similar to the KQ Voice Loopback plug-in?

It's similar. I can't remember what the differences are, in any detail, but one huge difference is that Loopback can send and receive midi too, not just audio. I did a video on Loopback back in the day, but have never really used it since, so can't remember. Here it is though if you want to investigate:

It's similar if you think of it in terms of a single device. Loopback can't work between devices.

It also seems to have less latency - very low within a single device, quite tolerable over USB or wired network, and even pretty darn usable over a good WiFi connection. It's also a lot easier for setting up multiple channels IMO.

Which are you saying has lower latency? I find that Loopback has the best latency on a single device—at least recorded. Maybe it is reporting its latency better to hosts? But loopback can’t receive from Link Audio apps like Note.

That observation was very subjective on my part. Loopback seemed to have more latency. This is probably incorrect. Loopback is reporting 10ms in AUM, AudioPipeline is reporting 15.5ms. (That's only reported, not necessarily actual latency.)

I set out to measure comparatively, but so far my measurements seem to be being affected by latency compensation. Both have been recording at exactly the same timing in my tests, so obviously I'm doing something wrong. I'll have to see if I can do better later.

dendy · May 16

@wim said:
That observation was very subjective on my part. Loopback seemed to have more latency. This is probably incorrect. Loopback is reporting 10ms in AUM, AudioPipeline is reporting 15.5ms. (That's only reported, not necessarily actual latency.)

I am prettty confident at leadt my plugin is reporting latency precisely down to sub milisecond value :-) spend significant time to make sure it is calculated correctly ..

I set out to measure comparatively, but so far my measurements seem to be being affected by latency compensation. Both have been recording at exactly the same timing in my tests, so obviously I'm doing something wrong. I'll have to see if I can do better later.

well if you was recording withing same host (AUM ?) then AUM does (most host do) PDC (plugin delay compensation) which means it adds to all plugins delay of plugin with biggest latency so everything is prefectly synced to sample level

wim · May 16

Yeah, I was trying to eliminate hosts used as a factor, but realize now that didn't make any sense.

Measuring from AUM out to Loopy Pro, Loopback showed 23.4 ms less latency.

Interestingly, Loopback adds a boost to the signal, which caused clipping in one test.

espiegel123 · May 16

@wim said:
Yeah, I was trying to eliminate hosts used as a factor, but realize now that didn't make any sense.

Measuring from AUM out to Loopy Pro, Loopback showed 23.4 ms less latency.

with loopback’s manual latency adjustment, I can get AUM to Loopy Pro down to essentially zero in terms of the recorded audio.

wim · May 16

@espiegel123 said:

@wim said:
Yeah, I was trying to eliminate hosts used as a factor, but realize now that didn't make any sense.

Measuring from AUM out to Loopy Pro, Loopback showed 23.4 ms less latency.

with loopback’s manual latency adjustment, I can get AUM to Loopy Pro down to essentially zero in terms of the recorded audio.

2.7ms is the best I can get, but that's essentially zero as far as I'm concerned.

espiegel123 · May 16

@wim said:

@espiegel123 said:

@wim said:
Yeah, I was trying to eliminate hosts used as a factor, but realize now that didn't make any sense.

Measuring from AUM out to Loopy Pro, Loopback showed 23.4 ms less latency.

with loopback’s manual latency adjustment, I can get AUM to Loopy Pro down to essentially zero in terms of the recorded audio.

2.7ms is the best I can get, but that's essentially zero as far as I'm concerned.

True

SirMcp · May 16

@dendy said:
ok, i totally understand and respect that.

I really like this one, can’t remember who said that:

“I disagree with You, but I will fight till my last breath for Your right to free express that opinion”

Not sure if it is exact quote, but you got the point.

As long as you’re not a nazi, I respect your opinion and don’t find your opinion offensive in any way. It might not be my opinion but I respect your right to say it and you are still one of my favorite forum members and NS2 guru. Love ya bro.

dendy · May 17

@SirMcp said:

@dendy said:
ok, i totally understand and respect that.

I really like this one, can’t remember who said that:

“I disagree with You, but I will fight till my last breath for Your right to free express that opinion”

Not sure if it is exact quote, but you got the point.

As long as you’re not a nazi, I respect your opinion and don’t find your opinion offensive in any way. It might not be my opinion but I respect your right to say it and you are still one of my favorite forum members and NS2 guru. Love ya bro.

of course i am not :-)) i a m not even “right-wing” or ”left wing” .. in general i dislike any politics (and especially politicians) or *ism .. that’s it ..

Loopy Pro: Create music, your way.

AudioPipeline AUv3 (Link AUDIO Send+Receive AUv3 plugins) [AppStore AVAILABLE]

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