New Aqeel Aadam app Coastline. Out now

wim · July 3

@oldsynthguy said:

@wim said:
That video is a goldmine of ideas @oldsynthguy .👍
I've been figuring this would be great for live guitar, good to see it demoed.

Yeah, properly tempting me this one - and I'd want to pick up Waymaker at the same time.

Waymaker is the best linear (fader style) sequencer suite ever, IMO.

wim · July 3

@Robin2 said:
A Mosaic script is an intriguing idea. Please do share if you make anything (I’ve zero understanding of how to write the code for Mozaic so can’t be of any use unfortunately).

I'm gonna give it a try. No promises when (or if) it'll be complete though.

Squishy · July 3

@wim said:

@oldsynthguy said:

@wim said:
That video is a goldmine of ideas @oldsynthguy .👍
I've been figuring this would be great for live guitar, good to see it demoed.

Yeah, properly tempting me this one - and I'd want to pick up Waymaker at the same time.

Waymaker is the best linear (fader style) sequencer suite ever, IMO.

Here here! I liken it to Drambo in that it can be as simple or as complex as you want to take it. And I always get mesmerized by that mountain range heh. Dudes got a way with Uis…

Robin2 · July 3

@wim said:

@Robin2 said:
A Mosaic script is an intriguing idea. Please do share if you make anything (I’ve zero understanding of how to write the code for Mozaic so can’t be of any use unfortunately).

I'm gonna give it a try. No promises when (or if) it'll be complete though.

Cool, no worries. If you come up with something, fantastic; if not, no problem.

wim · July 4

@Robin2 said:
From my communications with Aqeel it seems he’s rather set on Waymaker being the easy method for pitch manipulation so I wouldn’t put too much hope that it’s just “at the moment” unfortunately.

That seems uncharacteristically selfish if the motivation is to leverage Waymaker sales. It's hard to come up with other reasons for not opening it up more though. I'm hoping there's more to it than that. At first I thought it must be that smooth pitch transformations aren't possible, but the fact that you can do smooth glides with Waymaker isn't consistent with that.

Oh well, I'm all for developers sticking to their vision for their apps. I just like to feel like I see some reasoning behind things, and I would hate to think it's just wanting to cross-sell his own apps. I don't want to assume it's that, so I'm just going to let it go.

wim · July 4

@Robin2 said:

@wim said:

@Robin2 said:
A Mosaic script is an intriguing idea. Please do share if you make anything (I’ve zero understanding of how to write the code for Mozaic so can’t be of any use unfortunately).

I'm gonna give it a try. No promises when (or if) it'll be complete though.

Cool, no worries. If you come up with something, fantastic; if not, no problem.

Shouldn't be too hard. The proof of concept only took a few minutes. I can "play" the pitches no problem. I have some ideas for features to add.

I've had several plugin crashes while changing pitches with the AUv3 parameters. Could be a reason why the feature isn't more widely supported so far.

Gavinski · July 4

@wim said:

@Robin2 said:

@Squishy said:
Was cool to see it used with Waymaker at the end!
Seems you can modulate pitch, but only with Waymaker? Maybe that’s an “at the moment” type sitch (hopefully)

You can already modulate pitch without Waymaker via external automation (the AU pitch parameters are available) but not using the internal modulators. From my communications with Aqeel it seems he’s rather set on Waymaker being the easy method for pitch manipulation so I wouldn’t put too much hope that it’s just “at the moment” unfortunately.

I haven't got around to trying to "play" the pitch with midi notes. It seems more like something you'd do with CCs. But it would be really nice to be able to, say, play a note on guitar, then play notes in from a keyboard to sort of produce chords. Kind of like that extinct playable voice pitcher FX I can't remember the name of.

I doubt it's doable. But if it is, that's not something Waymaker would be any good at.
I guess you could kind of do that using the note-advance for the sequencers, but ... not very friendly for that purpose.

Maybe a Mozaic script is in order...

You could send in audio chords via sidechain to get those harmonies

oldsynthguy · July 4

@wim said:

@oldsynthguy said:

@wim said:
That video is a goldmine of ideas @oldsynthguy .👍
I've been figuring this would be great for live guitar, good to see it demoed.

Yeah, properly tempting me this one - and I'd want to pick up Waymaker at the same time.

Waymaker is the best linear (fader style) sequencer suite ever, IMO.

Yeah, it’s been on my list for a while now. I’ll do a bit more digging, though the potential ‘closed system’ is a bit off-putting.

lukesleepwalker · July 7

@Robin2 said:
Just as I was getting closer and closer to buying Klevgrand Parrot, I’m now thinking this looks like a more interesting take on the recorded buffer manipulation type app.

Just one question (haven’t fully watched videos or fully read manual yet): is it easy to set it up, or even possible, so that the tide/glade pitches respond to MIDI input?

I finally got around to buying Coastline yesterday and the results I'm getting are pretty close to what you can hear in any of the YT videos that have been posted in this thread. It's deep, intuitive--and it's just got this vibe that Aqeel seems to exude. (I buy his apps as much to support his YT video walkthroughs as his narration is as soothing as his apps.)

I also own Parrot and I'd say the "repeater" nature of the two apps is where the similarities end. Parrot is much more tied to the grid and is built for more rhythmic and chaotic textures. Yes, you can coax smooth, ambient stuff out of it but it doesn't feel as natural to me just based on how the UI leads you through choices. Coastline on the other hand seems to purposely take you off the grid to get that chilled out vibe I mention above.

Anyway, my two cents.

Robin2 · July 8

@lukesleepwalker said:

@Robin2 said:
Just as I was getting closer and closer to buying Klevgrand Parrot, I’m now thinking this looks like a more interesting take on the recorded buffer manipulation type app.

Just one question (haven’t fully watched videos or fully read manual yet): is it easy to set it up, or even possible, so that the tide/glade pitches respond to MIDI input?

I finally got around to buying Coastline yesterday and the results I'm getting are pretty close to what you can hear in any of the YT videos that have been posted in this thread. It's deep, intuitive--and it's just got this vibe that Aqeel seems to exude. (I buy his apps as much to support his YT video walkthroughs as his narration is as soothing as his apps.)

I also own Parrot and I'd say the "repeater" nature of the two apps is where the similarities end. Parrot is much more tied to the grid and is built for more rhythmic and chaotic textures. Yes, you can coax smooth, ambient stuff out of it but it doesn't feel as natural to me just based on how the UI leads you through choices. Coastline on the other hand seems to purposely take you off the grid to get that chilled out vibe I mention above.

Anyway, my two cents.

Thanks @lukesleepwalker. Yeah, I agree with your assessment, cheers.

Meek3 · July 9

I surely must be doing something wrong.
The coastlinne fx doesnt seem to have much influence on the sound.
The 2 synths add or change not much as an effect.
So what am I doing wrong?

Ailerom · July 9

I like it a lot but without a mix control it's a no.

Gavinski · July 9

@Meek3 said:
I surely must be doing something wrong.
The coastlinne fx doesnt seem to have much influence on the sound.
The 2 synths add or change not much as an effect.
So what am I doing wrong?

You probably don't have the Threshold level set right. Highly recommend reading the manual or watching a video

Meek3 · July 9

@Gavinski said:

@Meek3 said:
I surely must be doing something wrong.
The coastlinne fx doesnt seem to have much influence on the sound.
The 2 synths add or change not much as an effect.
So what am I doing wrong?

You probably don't have the Threshold level set right. Highly recommend reading the manual or watching a video

Forgot about the manual. Thanks 😊

Robin2 · July 9

@Ailerom said:
I like it a lot but without a mix control it's a no.

There is a dry/wet AU parameter exposed so depending on host, it’s easy to control.

I must admit there are omissions - like no mix control on the interface and the aforementioned pitch automation awkwardness - which stop this from being the absolute ‘all-in-one without any faffing around setting up other things’ pleasure it could be.

It’s a great app, no doubt, but these things make it a flawed masterpiece for me.

oldsynthguy · July 9

@Robin2 said:

@Ailerom said:
I like it a lot but without a mix control it's a no.

There is a dry/wet AU parameter exposed so depending on host, it’s easy to control.

I must admit there are omissions - like no mix control on the interface and the aforementioned pitch automation awkwardness - which stop this from being the absolute ‘all-in-one without any faffing around setting up other things’ pleasure it could be.

It’s a great app, no doubt, but these things make it a flawed masterpiece for me.

Is the pitch automation still only available via Waymaker?

I do like the sounds this app makes, aside from the possible pitch workaround, the only thing keeping me on the fence is how much I'd use it as it's a very distinct effect.

lukesleepwalker · July 9

@Robin2 said:

@Ailerom said:
I like it a lot but without a mix control it's a no.

There is a dry/wet AU parameter exposed so depending on host, it’s easy to control.

I must admit there are omissions - like no mix control on the interface and the aforementioned pitch automation awkwardness - which stop this from being the absolute ‘all-in-one without any faffing around setting up other things’ pleasure it could be.

It’s a great app, no doubt, but these things make it a flawed masterpiece for me.

Yes, the mix control is such a weird omission. I sure hope @aqeelaadam is paying attention to feedback here. The pitch automation is also a no-brainer from a user experience perspective (though don't know the technical constraints or the strategic vision vis a vis Waymaker, which I won't buy because I don't really want another sequencer). The other thing that I wish I could do is control each sustainer separately. There are probably CPU constraints that prevent this but it sure would be neat if each sustainer--even if just 2 or 3--could have different settings.

Robin2 · July 9

@oldsynthguy said:

@Robin2 said:

@Ailerom said:
I like it a lot but without a mix control it's a no.

There is a dry/wet AU parameter exposed so depending on host, it’s easy to control.

I must admit there are omissions - like no mix control on the interface and the aforementioned pitch automation awkwardness - which stop this from being the absolute ‘all-in-one without any faffing around setting up other things’ pleasure it could be.

It’s a great app, no doubt, but these things make it a flawed masterpiece for me.

Is the pitch automation still only available via Waymaker?

I do like the sounds this app makes, aside from the possible pitch workaround, the only thing keeping me on the fence is how much I'd use it as it's a very distinct effect.

No, you can automate pitch via the exposed AU parameters too so it is certainly possible without Waymaker. I’m also going to be checking the PatchStorage Mosaic page to see whether @wim comes up with some magic script as an additional workaround.

Yeah, I do know what you mean regarding it being a very distinct effect. Personally I had the same feeling but I decided to keep it and not request a refund as I feel I’ve already had my £12’s worth of use out of it. I’ll be honest and say that I’m still searching for ways to use it which yield very different results though. I think the key is automation/modulation. Automating the buffer recording rather than relying on the threshold, with a short buffer size and lower hold time, for example, can stop it from ‘just’ producing a beautiful drone.

Robin2 · July 9

@lukesleepwalker said:

@Robin2 said:

@Ailerom said:
I like it a lot but without a mix control it's a no.

There is a dry/wet AU parameter exposed so depending on host, it’s easy to control.

I must admit there are omissions - like no mix control on the interface and the aforementioned pitch automation awkwardness - which stop this from being the absolute ‘all-in-one without any faffing around setting up other things’ pleasure it could be.

It’s a great app, no doubt, but these things make it a flawed masterpiece for me.

Yes, the mix control is such a weird omission. I sure hope @aqeelaadam is paying attention to feedback here. The pitch automation is also a no-brainer from a user experience perspective (though don't know the technical constraints or the strategic vision vis a vis Waymaker, which I won't buy because I don't really want another sequencer). The other thing that I wish I could do is control each sustainer separately. There are probably CPU constraints that prevent this but it sure would be neat if each sustainer--even if just 2 or 3--could have different settings.

Yes, likewise, I do hope @aqeelaadam is keeping track of feedback and opinions. As I said, I think it’s a flawed masterpiece and there is definitely room for fine tuning and maybe a few decisions being revisited.

Agree about the sustainers but, yes, maybe that’s due to CPU usage. The (sort of) workaround is creative use of the sustainer Lock AU parameter I guess? Lock sustainers, change the settings for the remaining unlocked sustainers and so on.

oldsynthguy · July 9

@Robin2 said:
No, you can automate pitch via the exposed AU parameters too so it is certainly possible without Waymaker. I’m also going to be checking the PatchStorage Mosaic page to see whether @wim comes up with some magic script as an additional workaround.

Ah cool, thanks for the info.

@Robin2 said:
Yeah, I do know what you mean regarding it being a very distinct effect. Personally I had the same feeling but I decided to keep it and not request a refund as I feel I’ve already had my £12’s worth of use out of it. I’ll be honest and say that I’m still searching for ways to use it which yield very different results though. I think the key is automation/modulation. Automating the buffer recording rather than relying on the threshold, with a short buffer size and lower hold time, for example, can stop it from ‘just’ producing a beautiful drone.

Yeah, it’d be useful to hear a few examples with a short buffer setting, so there’s more variation.

Still haven’t totally written it off yet, it is a lovely sounding effect, and it’d be a great pairing for the new AlchemDie app.

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New Aqeel Aadam app Coastline. Out now

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