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Matt, thanks for listening and for the comments - I'm a big fan of your Gadget stuff, and as soon as I can will check on your entry for the month!
I sketched the entire track in YMMS and exported both audio and midi to MTS - so some of the sounds you can hear in the background are from YMMS. The most prominent sounds however are from soundfonts - for the drums I used one of the Digital Sound Factory Acoustic Drum Kits.
Mastering took a lot of tries - in the end I processed everything into AltiSpace, added the vinyl effect through Master Record, and finally mastered the whole thing with Audio Mastering.
@touchconspiracy - Deeper Into You:
Instantly recognise M1... I like the slow build up at the start a lot. The very faint vocal sample is particularly cool. The generally understated nature of all of it is great. I think the second 'chorus' could do with being a bit more different to the first. That's the only critique I can make.
All in all really good i think.
@supadom - Candyman:
Love it... Great performance. Catchy song. Very 'you'. I love the effects you throw in from Turnado (is that a 'pitched looper' on the casio keyboard style synth?). I've very jealous of your drum and guitar playing skills. And of course your multi-tasking! [I found my self trying to drum the most basic beat while singing the other day for a laugh. As soon as i started singing I completely lost the beat - it was very funny - my brain found it absolutely impossible to do both at the same time!].
Anyway - great all round performance.
@richardyot - Sinking Slowly:
Great track. By far (far, far, far) the best track of yours I've heard. (I hear a lot of M1 and Chiang Mai - am I right?).
Your voice is incomparably better to when you started this group. Seriously. Are you using much pitch correction - I thought I could hear a bit - which wasn't a bad thing and gave it a bit of an other worldly feel. The chorus was great - and pretty clear. I think the verse was a bit muffled unfortunately - would have been nice if it was clearer.
I love the music. Very slow (like breathing in and out) which some of the M1 patches do wonderfully. I love the pace of the song. The way it builds but also washes over you. The production of the music sounded really top notch. Much better than the live instrument stuff i've heard to be honest (production wise).
Good work!
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 Thanks for the feedback. I use some pretty extensive pitch correction on my recent tracks (Melodyne) otherwise they sound pretty bad. At the same time I am working on improving my singing all the time and practice several times a week, it's slowly improving but it's going to take time. In the meantime Melodyne is my friend.
I agree that the production with Gadget sounds much better than real instruments, but it's a lot easier, that's why
You don't really need to do very much to the stuff that comes out of Gadget, and the quantizing and fixing helps to mask my performance mistakes. Making a track this way is infinitely easier than recording guitars. Having said that, I think this is a more rewarding direction artistically because I am more likely to find an original sound, my guitar music just sounds too much like stuff I've heard before for it to be really interesting.
Anyway thanks for noting my progress, I knew my initial entries were poor (and said as much at the time), so it's nice to hear confirmation that I am making progress, I hope I can continue to improve.
The Gadgets I used were mostly Chiang Mai, Darwing, Kiev (for the breathing sounds and some of the pads), Salzburg, Bilbao.
I am also fixing the sibilance on this track, should hopefully be able to post a new version later this week.
@richardyot I really look forward to hearing that. It's a great song at the end of the day. And it's a distinctive sound I think.
Cheers Matt !
Finally something to look forward to this week....
@Igneous1 - Unrestricted Charles:
Starts off a bit 'careless whisper' - but it grows on me... Some nice patches.
I think it meanders a bit towards the the second half and I think it lacks an obvious lead theme/hook. It consequently feels, to me, a bit like 'mood music' (which has it's place) - and it's good sounding mood music.
Wow Matt, that's a fantastic track. Usually I get somewhat distracted after a while with a longer electronic only track, but that was definitely not the case here. Great pause and change in tempo after 2:30, and then back to the rhythmic stuff.
The bassy sounds were all very nice and added a lot to the song. Thanks for reminding me of Orphion - I haven't played with that in a long while!
As for the mastering, really I didn't pick anything to improve on IMO; I think the track was excellent. Very well done!
Thanks @AndyX - that's very kind of you
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Thanks Colin! Although I wonder how much influence the word 'transport' in the title influenced your thinking, it is fun to hear how people interpret your work.
Don't think I've ever been compared to The Floyd before..
@johnnygoodyear just watched your retake of the countrysong chorus. For some reason the combination of song, singing and video images made me a quite emotional / sad. Not sure exactly why. Maybe that was the desired effect. I think someone said the same already.
I like it - the music is good - it's just really sad.
So to catch up on some tracks here:
@AlterEgo_UK: I enjoyed your track a lot. It is a nice piece a psychedelic PPP in my opinion. It reminded me both musically and vocally of "congratulations" by MGMT. on the constructive side, there were some parts where I thought the mix was a little muddy from the reverb and the ambient loop in the background. It would have been nice to have some of that cut through the mix. Great singing and guitar playing however!
Thanks @BvsMV: I think I will take some of the twinkly parts out from behind some of the verses as, listening again, I can hear what you and others mean
It is sad. It's supposed to be sad. Wistful. Inevitable. This is the coda or reprise. The first version is the rousing (ish) coming into town and this is the chastened self leaving a few days later...It would be a bit of longway around, but I could see that writing 'country songs' and then putting them through the mill of my own more lonesome nature might be a good workflow. Probably mostly just for me. But then I guess that's what all our workflows are if we find one that works....
I've updated my entry with re-worked vocals. I didn't re-record them but I did a lot more work with Pro-DS and also surgically removed tiny portions of the waveform, which helped a lot.
I've updated the second post with the latest entries. It's been a good month on here with some great music, keep them coming.
Although it would drive me mad, it seems like we are approaching 'Song of the Fortnight'
@supadom
Good track. The mix sounds great to me. It has a real jammy, talking heads vibe (I feel like the David Byrne reference was made somewhere else). My favorite parts are when you kick the vocal effects in and out. The fact that you do all of that live is phenomenal to me.
@richardyot Good effort. Would like to have seen the 'behind the scenes' as regards the editing as whatever issues you were having don't appear here.
I am not familiar with Melodyne (I know what it is, but have not seen it in action/used it; no doubt heard it along the way
, but I don't find anything intrusive here and the higher final sustained note of the chorus -which feels like your hook in many ways- is good/effective. What's important to me is that you 'wrote' or dreamt that melody, the rest of it is discussing Beethoven's playing not his composing.
This is, to the neutral ear, the best thing you've shared with us. I know best is a silly word -I hear my semantics professor shouting 'Define your terms boy!'- but you know what I mean....
Behind the scenes in more detail: I used Pro-DS twice on each vocal (the verse and chorus are on separate busses/groups), once on the main vocal track, and once again on the group bus. Then where there was still the odd pop/click/SSSS I zoomed in on the audio in the timeline and just removed the tiniest fragment of the waveform - you can do this without really affecting the flow of the audio, and it's a fairly effective way of removing an intrusive sound. Obviously the entire vocal waveforms are trimmed very tightly anyway, all the dead spaces are deleted (better than using a gate).
The sustained note is actually just a long drawn out A (the tonic basically, the song is in A minor), so it's not hard to sing and is in the comfortable part of my register (although you can hear that I've smoothed out the note, it's unnaturally steady). The pitch correction is more aggressive on the verse because it's sung a bit low for my voice. Melodyne is pretty cool because you can edit each note separately and decide exactly how much pitch correction to add, so it can give very natural sounding results.
@richardyot Great that you gave it another try - this is a really good track, nice rhythm, catchy vocals, great progression and production.
Reading about your, and other members', efforts regarding vocals is extremely instructive for me. It still seems that vocal stuff is far, far away from what I feel comfortable doing, but at least I'm learning what some of the obstacles will be, and how to deal with them. Thanks!
@AndyX I'm guessing you won't find a better place for taking your first wet steps
@JohnnyGoodyear Agreed! Making some noise / tunes come more naturally to me; I still find it very alien to try to put words to that. It's really like learning a new language for those of us without that gift, skill, or training!
I guess that why bands are still popular
I can't do anymore with a drum kit than eat my lunch off it...
(Sinking Slowly) ,latest version ,richardyot ,very good work!
It's no gift, believe me - you just have to dive in and go through the painful stage at the beginning. In my case my wife had to endure most of the pain as she listened to the sound of a cat being strangled most evenings for the past year...
Thanks
Oh my! I still need to find that kind of motivation - but it only increases the appreciation for all of you who did post vocals
Sounds pretty much like standard stuff at Public School