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Skram - Electronic Music Maker, new iOS app by Liine

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  • liinegarethliinegareth
    edited March 2016

    @KlaatuNinja said:
    Little chilled jam on Skram.

    Definitely potential, and I love this way of working, but need session saving as a minimum. Not even the one your working on??...come on..
    It plays in the background though, so you can open another synth and play over.

    Really nice jam! :smile:
    Glad you enjoy the workflow
    I can reassure you that session saving is pretty high in the pile of current developments.

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I think we have to accept we are, in some ways, the first public round of seed money. The positive is that I will feel disappointed if they drop the ball moving forward from here because the template is in place....

    I wouldn’t describe it using exactly those words but, yes, it’s very true that your support now in buying the app, leaving reviews etc plays a significant part in allowing us to realise the platform’s full potential! And for that we are very grateful :smile:

    @Proppa said:
    @liinegareth I couldn't ask for more comprehensive Developer/User interaction than yours so a huge Thanks and it's deeply gratifying to hear that some of the wishlistings in this thread may see the light of iOS day in Skram updates. I'm already hooked.

    Thanks @Proppa. It goes both ways, we’re getting really amazing feedback here. Of course we tested with various users during development (mainly friends and colleagues), but having such an in-depth conversations with the real users (buyers!) of the product really helps us take a lot of the guesswork out of what people want to see! It helps us validate some of the ideas we had, perhaps reconsider others and gives us extremely valuable info to help us with the (always difficult) task of prioiritising next steps.

    @Nathan said:
    Okay, changed my mind and bought this anyway as I'm persuaded that the developers have good intentions. So far, it's about 40% great app and 60% potential. But the potential is definitely there, and worth a gamble. If what is being claimed comes to fruition, and we get lots more modules, for different music styles, plus Link, IAA and AudioBus, Skram may even become something quite special. So, developers, us early adopters are doing our bit, and in the immortal words of Sooty "Izzy, wizzy let's get busy."

    Thanks @Nathan - appreciated. Just best not let Little Cousin Scampi anywhere near the code, eh? ;)

    @kobamoto said:
    would love to take a snippet out of a tune from my iTunes library like maybe a cycle of sam cooks voice, load it up, shape it and then play it with an x/y pad through a myriad of scales, keys, chords etc.. and record this all in Skram.... ok thats it for me :)

    That would be indeed be pretty badass!

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @liinegareth said:
    We really believe that this is a good start but respect the fact that for some, IAA and Audiobus is critical.

    This. There's such a large and musically diverse community that's sprung up around here that we occasionally get stuck in 'all iOS music makers are like us' mode since this community is built around an app whose primary focus is moving audio between apps.

    He's right Mister Gareth, but then so are you; this is a good start and for many of us IAA and Audiobus are critical :)

    Thanks for the encouraging words both! Indeed, we’d really like to succeed in building a comprehensive music-making solution for the all-in-one crowd while equally giving users who already have their own workflows and specific needs what they need to get the most out of Skram.

  • Redo1Redo1

    Left a nice review. This is a quality app that deserves attention I think.

  • liinegarethliinegareth

    @Redo1 said:
    Left a nice review. This is a quality app that deserves attention I think.

    Thanks so much @Redo1 - massively appreciated! :smiley:

  • oldschoolwillieoldschoolwillie

    @BiancaNeve said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    Looks like a Korg Gadget killer! (potentially)

    Nah, more like a figure killer.

    KORG gadget Killer NEVER maybe they can play nice together on the new IPAD pro 9.7 with 4gb ram

  • High5deniedHigh5denied

    Still learning this thing. Still LOVE the way the controls work. How fluent and smooth they are. Gotta leave a 5 star for this baby.

  • JocphoneJocphone

    @liine_nick said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @liinegareth said:

    Having a jam with this last night, a couple of things I thought would be nice to have:

    Being able change number of steps is great on the lower left widget, if you could individually select which steps are "live" at the bottom, this would be even better. Eg run your finger over the lower part to create active steps, turn steps on or off individually (more than just extending the number of active steps as it is now) etc Good for live variation. Maybe a similar way to isolate number of steps on the top two widgets would be cool too (without deleting notes)

    I thought this too. Having rests would make it a bit less samey and introduce more interesting rhythms between the gadgets.

    Hmm.. that's a cool idea actually... A way to expand/enlarge the Rhythm Selector and then do things like muting steps or editing the pattern.. Food for thought.

    Yeah, it would greatly expand the available rhythms without hopefully too much work.

  • liinegarethliinegareth

    @High5denied said:
    Still learning this thing. Still LOVE the way the controls work. How fluent and smooth they are. Gotta leave a 5 star for this baby.

    Thanks so much for the early support @High5denied ! <3

  • Redo1Redo1
    edited March 2016

    Still having fun.
    Would be nice to have some level feedback for each device on the main screen while tweaking. A level indicator on each device or even just a blinking led?

  • liinegarethliinegareth

    @Redo1 said:
    Still having fun.
    Would be nice to have some level feedback for each device on the main screen while tweaking. A level indicator on each device or even just a blinking led?

    Happy to hear it :smile:
    Yeah, I agree. Actually some of the first Devices we designed had an LED with some visual feedback. Close to the release we changed to some different Devices which we thought would be a better first selection. The Devices we went for don't have LEDs. I completely agree it would be easier to see which device is playing if there was a bit of visual feedback.

  • johnfromberkeleyjohnfromberkeley

    @BiancaNeve said:
    I can't agree that AB is VITAL.

    I LOVE LOVE LOVE Phase84. No Audiobus.

  • Redo1Redo1

    @liinegareth said:

    @Redo1 said:
    Still having fun.
    Would be nice to have some level feedback for each device on the main screen while tweaking. A level indicator on each device or even just a blinking led?

    Happy to hear it :smile:
    Yeah, I agree. Actually some of the first Devices we designed had an LED with some visual feedback. Close to the release we changed to some different Devices which we thought would be a better first selection. The Devices we went for don't have LEDs. I completely agree it would be easier to see which device is playing if there was a bit of visual feedback.

    cool. Nice to see you so responsive and understanding. You seem to be on top of things which makes me excited for the future of the app and happy I sent you some dough to support it.

  • srcersrcer

    @1P18 said:
    Any chance for an iPhone version?

    +1

  • db909db909

    @srcer said:

    @1P18 said:
    Any chance for an iPhone version?

    +1

    +2

    Us iPhone users love our all in one apps

  • kobamotokobamoto

    Wow so are you telling me that nobody has developed an app yet with the figure/ skram type ethos but focused on mangling samples in interestingly experimental as well as musical ways, you know drop a sample on the blank space, a big x/y square presumably and touch different areas of the square to do all kinds of interesting things to the sampls/loops... really surely there must be an app ooooh, maybe skram will come out with a gang of modules like this hint hint...hope hope...hint..hope...hint...

  • Redo1Redo1

    @kobamoto

    iDensity and Samplr sort of do this no?

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear
    edited March 2016

    @kobamoto said:
    Wow so are you telling me that nobody has developed an app yet with the figure/ skram type ethos but focused on mangling samples in interestingly experimental as well as musical ways, you know drop a sample on the blank space, a big x/y square presumably and touch different areas of the square to do all kinds of interesting things to the sampls/loops... really surely there must be an app ooooh, maybe skram will come out with a gang of modules like this hint hint...hope hope...hint..hope...hint...

    I hear you. Much as I love Samplr and one two others I still haven't found the killer piece of interface design that deals with what many of us would like. I was working on something (dull) in AudioStretch earlier and admiring its simplicity, but just wanted another screen to go to with your big x/y square presumably and touch different areas of the square to do all kinds of interesting things with....bit surprised actually. A gap in the Appoland?

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @Redo1 said:
    @kobamoto

    iDensity and Samplr sort of do this no?

    nope

  • srcersrcer

    Little late to this St. Patrick's day party, was hangin' with some leprechauns...

    As a proud owner of an iPhone 6s Plus and a somewhat disenchanted one of an iPad 3 I've no choice but wait on the fence. If it goes universal I'll buy for sure! While I agree that the iOS audio tech essentials Ableton Link, Audiobus, AudioShare, IAA/AU, MIDI (working on a thread in this forum to cover them all, please add to it) are de rigueur for an app like this, I would still buy now if only I could run it. I trust the direction of the team to deliver the goods. Look forward to seeing this progress. Seems to me adding the audio tech first would make sense, but when it goes universal I'll be ready :)

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @kobamoto said:
    Wow so are you telling me that nobody has developed an app yet with the figure/ skram type ethos but focused on mangling samples in interestingly experimental as well as musical ways, you know drop a sample on the blank space, a big x/y square presumably and touch different areas of the square to do all kinds of interesting things to the sampls/loops... really surely there must be an app ooooh, maybe skram will come out with a gang of modules like this hint hint...hope hope...hint..hope...hint...

    I hear you. Much as I love Samplr and one two others I still haven't found the killer piece of interface design that deals with what many of us would like. I was working on something (dull) in AudioStretch earlier and admiring its simplicity, but just wanted another screen to go to with your big x/y square presumably and touch different areas of the square to do all kinds of interesting things with....bit surprised actually. A gap in the Appoland?

    yep... I think from earlier post that the skram dev gets it though and there could be some nice things down the line in this regard for skram. I don't want an x/y pad to put a verb, delay, or crush on something I want to drop a loop in, touch a spot and have the loop divided down, folded back on itself, separated in slices but held in time, have it's harmonics extracted and then fed back to it through a tube while it's elongated and filtered through all of the lives it could have lived simultaneously or one at a time and then flattened into a reflection of it's own afterlife just before being inseminated into the birth of a new sample.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @kobamoto said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @kobamoto said:
    Wow so are you telling me that nobody has developed an app yet with the figure/ skram type ethos but focused on mangling samples in interestingly experimental as well as musical ways, you know drop a sample on the blank space, a big x/y square presumably and touch different areas of the square to do all kinds of interesting things to the sampls/loops... really surely there must be an app ooooh, maybe skram will come out with a gang of modules like this hint hint...hope hope...hint..hope...hint...

    I hear you. Much as I love Samplr and one two others I still haven't found the killer piece of interface design that deals with what many of us would like. I was working on something (dull) in AudioStretch earlier and admiring its simplicity, but just wanted another screen to go to with your big x/y square presumably and touch different areas of the square to do all kinds of interesting things with....bit surprised actually. A gap in the Appoland?

    yep... I think from earlier post that the skram dev gets it though and there could be some nice things down the line in this regard for skram. I don't want an x/y pad to put a verb, delay, or crush on something I want to drop a loop in, touch a spot and have the loop divided down, folded back on itself, separated in slices but held in time, have it's harmonics extracted and then fed back to it through a tube while it's elongated and filtered through all of the lives it could have lived simultaneously or one at a time and then flattened into a reflection of it's own afterlife just before being inseminated into the birth of a new sample.

    And panning.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    !!! :)

  • srcersrcer

    @KlaatuNinja great track!

    Would love to get to that level. Been playing with Elastic Drums for a bit and can't get anywhere near laying down a beat like that, though from various demos I've heard, pretty sure I'm the missing link. If you made tutorial videos I'd watch them religiously! :)

    ps Enjoyed listening to some more of your tracks, will be watching more. Speaking of Novation, have you tried the new Blocs Wave iOS app?

  • db909db909

    I dunno bout you guys, but I want my preset instruments/samples in an XY pad with all the sound shaping parameters mapped to a nearby ladder-shaped series of sliders that snap to touch point.

  • liinegarethliinegareth

    @db909 said:

    @srcer said:

    @1P18 said:
    Any chance for an iPhone version?

    +1

    +2

    Us iPhone users love our all in one apps

    Yep, an iPhone version is under serious consideration. I think I mentioned in an earlier post that we feel we have a good solution for making Skram work nicely with this form factor.

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @kobamoto said:
    Wow so are you telling me that nobody has developed an app yet with the figure/ skram type ethos but focused on mangling samples in interestingly experimental as well as musical ways, you know drop a sample on the blank space, a big x/y square presumably and touch different areas of the square to do all kinds of interesting things to the sampls/loops... really surely there must be an app ooooh, maybe skram will come out with a gang of modules like this hint hint...hope hope...hint..hope...hint...

    I hear you. Much as I love Samplr and one two others I still haven't found the killer piece of interface design that deals with what many of us would like. I was working on something (dull) in AudioStretch earlier and admiring its simplicity, but just wanted another screen to go to with your big x/y square presumably and touch different areas of the square to do all kinds of interesting things with....bit surprised actually. A gap in the Appoland?

    Man, the list is BRIMMING with all the mad kind of devices we could build. If only there were unlimited hours in the day! :D I would certainly LOVE to have some kind of crazy Skram slice-and-FSU pack at some point - that would make me very happy.

    @kobamoto said:
    I don't want an x/y pad to put a verb, delay, or crush on something I want to drop a loop in, touch a spot and have the loop divided down, folded back on itself, separated in slices but held in time, have it's harmonics extracted and then fed back to it through a tube while it's elongated and filtered through all of the lives it could have lived simultaneously or one at a time and then flattened into a reflection of it's own afterlife just before being inseminated into the birth of a new sample.

    You are one sick mofo! Would love to hear what tools you currently use for this kind of stuff!

    @Nathan said:

    @High5denied said:
    Still learning this thing. Still LOVE the way the controls work. How fluent and smooth they are. Gotta leave a 5 star for this baby.

    Hmm. Really like the app so far, but until there's some connectivity and means to save work, I can't give more than 4 stars. At the moment there's a truck load of promise, with users waiting for it to arrive.

    More bread and butter functionality coming soon!

  • PhilippePhilippe

    I can't wait to see more devices and widgets.
    Will we be able to choose between arpeggiator or sequencer per instrument?
    Choose a key/scale per instrument? And do it while interacting with other widget parameters.
    See this marvel of sample base machine that @kobamoto talks about? There is definitely more things to do with samples than what can be found on the appstore.
    Will there be fx widgets with send knob per intrument?

    I see widgets and widgets and widgets, wish I was a dev for this one.
    What about a loop (imported) launcher, like a mini lp-5?

    One thing that I would love to see is more than 4 instruments (6, 8, etc) running at a time. I would see a scroll bar on the side (or bottom) just like caustic, but that would scroll half a page at a time so that 4 instruments are accessible at anytime, but not always the same 4.

    I mean, this app has the potential to be an all (apps) in one app, that would bring a relief from the "double clic home button, scroll, stop scroll, tap" workflow killer of ios "multitasking".

  • mschenkel.itmschenkel.it

    I really can't understand why so many are asking to cripple a app with tons of over complicated features when the app is getting praised for its ease of use and it simplicity.

  • mschenkel.itmschenkel.it

    @Nathan said:

    @mschenkel.it said:
    I really can't understand why so many are asking to cripple a app with tons of over complicated features when the app is getting praised for its ease of use and it simplicity.

    If those features can be turned on and off, no problem.

    The problem exists anyway since adding them will also shift devs attention

  • High5deniedHigh5denied

    @Nathan

    I agree that it needs away to Save creations. But, as it is, I think it's deff. a 5 star app as is. 4 stars is a good rating too though.

  • liine_nickliine_nick

    @Philippe said:
    I can't wait to see more devices and widgets.
    Will we be able to choose between arpeggiator or sequencer per instrument?
    Choose a key/scale per instrument? And do it while interacting with other widget parameters.

    That's a tricky one. In the (very) long term, maybe. In the shorter term, I think there's more to gain by listing more scales, and then allowing custom scale editing. Earlier designs of the app allowed each widget to toggle between the Global Scale and pure chromatic, but it was adding too much clutter and complexity at that early stage.

    See this marvel of sample base machine that @kobamoto talks about? There is definitely more things to do with samples than what can be found on the appstore.
    Will there be fx widgets with send knob per intrument?

    That would happen when the Mixer section gets developed further. We're probably going to focus on connectivity stuff, and more devices/widgets, a little bit before the Mixer gets some love and attention. But to quench the thirst for some of that sweet fx send action, keep an eye on the BR-909 in the near-to-mid future... ;)

    I see widgets and widgets and widgets, wish I was a dev for this one.
    What about a loop (imported) launcher, like a mini lp-5?

    Sampling devices, the day we have them in Skram, is going to be a bright new transcendental world of soundwaves! Can't wait. Loads of sketches on paper for all sorts of ways to mangle audio. Skram has started its life more focused on synths and drum machines, as you know, but to be honest, no doors are closed in the long run.

    One thing that I would love to see is more than 4 instruments (6, 8, etc) running at a time. I would see a scroll bar on the side (or bottom) just like caustic, but that would scroll half a page at a time so that 4 instruments are accessible at anytime, but not always the same 4.

    That's both a design and a technical challege. Skram is all about fun, immediacy and flow, while still allowing depth and musical complexity. Allowing more than 4 devices presents the navigation challenge — how to get to those pages, and avoid mentally losing track of the previous 4 — as well as a technical challenge regarding CPU consumption. We've got a couple sketches of how navigation could work, the quadrant structure you see today in Skram came together pretty early on and has implications for extra quadrants. Most of what we design always takes into account quite a few different "possible futures" into consideration.

    I mean, this app has the potential to be an all (apps) in one app, that would bring a relief from the "double clic home button, scroll, stop scroll, tap" workflow killer of ios "multitasking".

  • liine_nickliine_nick
    edited March 2016

    @High5denied said:
    @Nathan

    I agree that it needs away to Save creations. But, as it is, I think it's deff. a 5 star app as is. 4 stars is a good rating too though.

    Yep, methods to save/export/connect are all high up on in our priorities. While it's impossible to do everything immediately, we're doing everything humanly possible to bring you as much as possible, as fast as possible. :)

    Thank you so much for the review and 5-star rating in the meantime! That really helps!

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