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Skram - Electronic Music Maker, new iOS app by Liine

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  • @liine_nick said:

    @High5denied said:
    @Nathan

    I agree that it needs away to Save creations. But, as it is, I think it's deff. a 5 star app as is. 4 stars is a good rating too though.

    Yep, methods to save/export/connect are all high up on in our priorities. While it's impossible to do everything immediately, we're doing everything humanly possible to bring you as much as possible, as fast as possible. :)

    Thank you so much for the review and 5-star rating in the meantime! That really helps!

    Great news, thank you!

  • edited March 2016

    @liine_nick said:

    @High5denied said:
    @Nathan

    I agree that it needs away to Save creations. But, as it is, I think it's deff. a 5 star app as is. 4 stars is a good rating too though.

    Yep, methods to save/export/connect are all high up on in our priorities. While it's impossible to do everything immediately, we're doing everything humanly possible to bring you as much as possible, as fast as possible. :)

    Thank you so much for the review and 5-star rating in the meantime! That really helps!

    At first reading through this I read "humanely". I see now it says humanly, but I hope you are also operating humanely. (I don't see this mentioned anywhere. There better not be any lives lost due to this development or I won't support!)
    Please quit being so secretive. ;)

  • Synplant on the left + ikaossilator on the right. iPad only. You do the math. @liine_nick

  • Liine_Nick::
    I'd love to see some sort of guitar-riff maker widget.. I have Skram.. I love it...Even though I'm a more "input by note" guy... Can't wait to see what else u guys do with it..

  • @Redo1 said:

    @liine_nick said:

    @High5denied said:
    @Nathan

    I agree that it needs away to Save creations. But, as it is, I think it's deff. a 5 star app as is. 4 stars is a good rating too though.

    Yep, methods to save/export/connect are all high up on in our priorities. While it's impossible to do everything immediately, we're doing everything humanly possible to bring you as much as possible, as fast as possible. :)

    Thank you so much for the review and 5-star rating in the meantime! That really helps!

    At first reading through this I read "humanely". I see now it says humanly, but I hope you are also operating humanely. (I don't see this mentioned anywhere. There better not be any lives lost due to this development or I won't support!)
    Please quit being so secretive. ;)

    Hah! Yes, we are also careful to be very humane in our development processes. ;)

  • @Telstar5 said:
    Liine_Nick::
    I'd love to see some sort of guitar-riff maker widget.. I have Skram.. I love it...Even though I'm a more "input by note" guy... Can't wait to see what else u guys do with it..

    What do you mean when you say guitar-riff maker widget.. Like strumming 6 strings with standard chord patterns? Omnichord style?

  • @db909 said:
    Synplant on the left + ikaossilator on the right. iPad only. You do the math. @liine_nick

    Synplant is dope. Some of my producer friends used to swear by it (maybe they still do, I don't know, I don't get out of the house much these days). All the Kaoss* products are amazing live jamming boxes. I hear what you're saying.

  • @mschenkel.it said:
    I really can't understand why so many are asking to cripple a app with tons of over complicated features when the app is getting praised for its ease of use and it simplicity.

    what overly complicated features?

  • @liinegareth said:

    @db909 said:

    @srcer said:

    @1P18 said:
    Any chance for an iPhone version?

    +1

    +2

    Us iPhone users love our all in one apps

    Yep, an iPhone version is under serious consideration. I think I mentioned in an earlier post that we feel we have a good solution for making Skram work nicely with this form factor.

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @kobamoto said:
    Wow so are you telling me that nobody has developed an app yet with the figure/ skram type ethos but focused on mangling samples in interestingly experimental as well as musical ways, you know drop a sample on the blank space, a big x/y square presumably and touch different areas of the square to do all kinds of interesting things to the sampls/loops... really surely there must be an app ooooh, maybe skram will come out with a gang of modules like this hint hint...hope hope...hint..hope...hint...

    I hear you. Much as I love Samplr and one two others I still haven't found the killer piece of interface design that deals with what many of us would like. I was working on something (dull) in AudioStretch earlier and admiring its simplicity, but just wanted another screen to go to with your big x/y square presumably and touch different areas of the square to do all kinds of interesting things with....bit surprised actually. A gap in the Appoland?

    Man, the list is BRIMMING with all the mad kind of devices we could build. If only there were unlimited hours in the day! :D I would certainly LOVE to have some kind of crazy Skram slice-and-FSU pack at some point - that would make me very happy.

    @kobamoto said:
    I don't want an x/y pad to put a verb, delay, or crush on something I want to drop a loop in, touch a spot and have the loop divided down, folded back on itself, separated in slices but held in time, have it's harmonics extracted and then fed back to it through a tube while it's elongated and filtered through all of the lives it could have lived simultaneously or one at a time and then flattened into a reflection of it's own afterlife just before being inseminated into the birth of a new sample.


    You are one sick mofo! Would love to hear what tools you currently use for this kind of stuff!

    @Nathan said:

    @High5denied said:
    Still learning this thing. Still LOVE the way the controls work. How fluent and smooth they are. Gotta leave a 5 star for this baby.

    Hmm. Really like the app so far, but until there's some connectivity and means to save work, I can't give more than 4 stars. At the moment there's a truck load of promise, with users waiting for it to arrive.

    More bread and butter functionality coming soon!

    :) I love stuff like what Meta synth can do to samples, ableton live of course dropping a sample in a clip and routing that clip to a plethora of destinations, resampling.. resampling .. resampling, and hardware wise I use an mpc- route the samples through the 10 outputs on the back into various fx again slicing and resampling judiciously . Love making samples unrecognizable but keeping the sound organic.... Looking forward to whatever the future holds for Skram!

  • @kobamoto said:

    @mschenkel.it said:
    I really can't understand why so many are asking to cripple a app with tons of over complicated features when the app is getting praised for its ease of use and it simplicity.

    what overly complicated features?

    Like getting a synth and asking for sampler features and vice versa.
    Having a midi sequencer and asking for audio.
    Full analog synths with 8 bit digital sounds.
    Having a load-and-play instrument with a veeeeeery long 'and' where you load your samples, you load your rhythm patterns, change the background image, set your custom scale and then, if you didn't forget anything in the process, you can finally play.
    And so on.

    Korg Electribes, without i, came out 15 years ago with 3 distinct flavor: synth, sampler and drum synth. At the same time the big deal were all-in-one grooveboxes such as Roland MCs, Yamaha rs7000 and rmix and others.
    Korg is still innovating Electribe family, Roland is reissuing 20-to-30 yo hardware, I don't know nothing about yamaha's new portable machines.
    Korg's approach definitely won from my perspective because:
    1. Those machines do one thing
    2. And do it well
    3. which give the chance to bring up a very straight forward interface without bells and whistles
    4. And as any kind of musical instrument(sw instruments ARE instruments) is meant to be together with some other instrument which possibly does not overlap with the others.
    Did you ever seen a band composed by n one-man-band? And anyway every time I see any 1mb around I'm honestly blown away for their skills at playing n instruments at the same time but I really won't say they are doing music well: they actually belong more to "freak shows" than to Music.

    Having everything ITB is nice, but talking about features then it really has to be considered how large you want the b0x to be and how tight the stuff inside that box should be.

    I definitely would love to see more performance/workflow/design updates rather than adding more features, which probably will be redundant with those from at least one other instrument I already have.

    One thing I really dig in Skram is the "aut-aut" workflow:
    You have pattern A or pattern B, you have to stick to 4 slots so you are forced to evolve your productions in a horizontal way rather than vertical.

  • edited March 2016

    @mschenkel.it said:
    One thing I really dig in Skram is the "aut-aut" workflow:
    You have pattern A or pattern B, you have to stick to 4 slots so you are forced to evolve your productions in a horizontal way rather than vertical.

    I understand this. But I'm sure you understand that your digging and someone else's may be found in different patches :) When a dev comes here it is open season; research for them and requests for us. And we all lobby (if we choose) as we choose.

  • @Mschenkel.it, I understand what you're saying but are you aware that the app was meant to house multiple widgets and it wouldn't make much sense in recreating only the same type of widgets over and over or are you saying that you don't want anymore widgets?

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @mschenkel.it said:
    One thing I really dig in Skram is the "aut-aut" workflow:
    You have pattern A or pattern B, you have to stick to 4 slots so you are forced to evolve your productions in a horizontal way rather than vertical.

    I understand this. But I'm sure you understand that your digging and someone else's may be found in different patches :) When a dev comes here it is open season; research for them and requests for us. And we all lobby (if we choose) as we choose.

    I definitely do.
    I think it is a great thing to be able to ask for features publicly to the devs(actually having the devs asking us which features we would like).
    I also do think that having our requests tuned with the software we are talking about will get a bigger reward for both. Sometimes I have the feeling that we users are digging the hole in the wrong place, not the wrong hole.

  • @mschenkel.it said:
    I also do think that having our requests tuned with the software we are talking about will get a bigger reward for both.

    I agree with you (again), but the problem is we all have toast :)

  • edited March 2016

    @mschenkel.it said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @mschenkel.it said:
    One thing I really dig in Skram is the "aut-aut" workflow:
    You have pattern A or pattern B, you have to stick to 4 slots so you are forced to evolve your productions in a horizontal way rather than vertical.

    I understand this. But I'm sure you understand that your digging and someone else's may be found in different patches :) When a dev comes here it is open season; research for them and requests for us. And we all lobby (if we choose) as we choose.

    I definitely do.
    I think it is a great thing to be able to ask for features publicly to the devs(actually having the devs asking us which features we would like).
    I also do think that having our requests tuned with the software we are talking about will get a bigger reward for both. Sometimes I have the feeling that we users are digging the hole in the wrong place, not the wrong hole.

    Have you found Synthesis and Sampling to be that different in your experience, in my own only the origin of the oscillators have been the main difference , outside of that it's mostly been the same journey for the most part?In my opinion the hole is larger than you think.

  • @kobamoto said:
    Have you found Synthesis and Sampling to be that different in your experience, in my own only the origin of the oscillators have been the main difference , outside of that it's mostly been the same journey for the most part?In my opinion the hole is larger than you think.

    which synthesis and which sampling?
    Many modern synthesis techniques are based on samples(wavetables, single cycle, granular). If for sampling you are thinking at romplers as SampleTank, Lyra, Thumbjam etc. yes they are pretty similar; if you think instead at Kontakt or even Samplr I really can't point to any synth where things like built in beatslicing would make any sense(w/o involving resampling ofc). OTH a sampler won't be able to get a wide pitch range until big/huge libraries

  • I havent bought this app yet but more basic controls , such as the ones already requested , and a sampler / mangler would definitely tempt me to buy . At the moment it reminds me too much of figure and a toy for playing other peoples music . Nothing wrong with that but I want more control so I make the music , rather than the app lol

  • @mschenkel.it said:

    @kobamoto said:
    Have you found Synthesis and Sampling to be that different in your experience, in my own only the origin of the oscillators have been the main difference , outside of that it's mostly been the same journey for the most part?In my opinion the hole is larger than you think.

    which synthesis and which sampling?
    Many modern synthesis techniques are based on samples(wavetables, single cycle, granular). If for sampling you are thinking at romplers as SampleTank, Lyra, Thumbjam etc. yes they are pretty similar; if you think instead at Kontakt or even Samplr I really can't point to any synth where things like built in beatslicing would make any sense(w/o involving resampling ofc). OTH a sampler won't be able to get a wide pitch range until big/huge libraries

    ah I see, so it's just the built in beat slicing that is the issue, so you believe a slicing widget would ruin the app?

    "I really can't point to any synth where things like built in beatslicing would make any sense"

    well then the Skram dev might be on the verge of something entirely new, wouldn't that be exciting?

  • edited March 2016

    @kobamoto said:

    @mschenkel.it said:

    @kobamoto said:
    Have you found Synthesis and Sampling to be that different in your experience, in my own only the origin of the oscillators have been the main difference , outside of that it's mostly been the same journey for the most part?In my opinion the hole is larger than you think.

    which synthesis and which sampling?
    Many modern synthesis techniques are based on samples(wavetables, single cycle, granular). If for sampling you are thinking at romplers as SampleTank, Lyra, Thumbjam etc. yes they are pretty similar; if you think instead at Kontakt or even Samplr I really can't point to any synth where things like built in beatslicing would make any sense(w/o involving resampling ofc). OTH a sampler won't be able to get a wide pitch range until big/huge libraries

    ah I see, so it's just the built in beat slicing that is the issue, so you believe a slicing widget would ruin the app?

    "I really can't point to any synth where things like built in beatslicing would make any sense"

    well then the Skram dev might be on the verge of something entirely new, wouldn't that be exciting?

    When you guys are talking about beatslicing, in the general sense of the term, do you mean like chopping up a loop Propellerheads ReCycle or Devine Machine Lucifer style? Disregarding the particulars of those UI choices, I just mean in terms of musical concept.

  • @kobamoto said:
    ah I see, so it's just the built in beat slicing that is the issue, so you believe a slicing widget would ruin the app?

    "I really can't point to any synth where things like built in beatslicing would make any sense"

    well then the Skram dev might be on the verge of something entirely new, wouldn't that be exciting?

    I was talking about the differences between synths and samplers, as you asked if I really found synths being that different from samplers.

    Talking about a sample slicer into Skram as an example:
    how are we imagining it to have markers? Fixed/tempo based a la Sector or manual a la Samplr?
    How would we like it to be playable and sequenceable? With direct visual feedback or via trigger pads?
    With a fixed number of slices as AbuDhabi or let it set to the user? The second way has probably some issues with resizing it's outputs.
    Should it have some sample start /end editing function or should we use just already trimmed samples?
    Having samplers means the devs should also think at samples to include in the app.
    How would a widget like that be harmonic to Skram's workflow?
    How would a widget like this sit comfortably in a 2,5" space and still being usable with enough functions to be worth the effort?

    About workflow already find that br-909 is already a step away from perfection not being able to mute/unmute multiple part at once.
    I would like to have the chance to be able to set widgets volume while knobbing them.
    I would like to see a bread and butter widget focused on single key chords so you don't need to add another sequencer mode.
    I would like to have a reference chart for the built in rhythm patterns.
    All in all I prefer to have my stuff fixed before enhancing it and putting add ons.

  • @mschenkel.it said:
    About workflow already find that br-909 is already a step away from perfection not being able to mute/unmute multiple part at once.

    There's a very tidy solution designed for that, though has not been implemented yet.

    I would like to have the chance to be able to set widgets volume while knobbing them.
    I would like to see a bread and butter widget focused on single key chords so you don't need to add another sequencer mode.
    I would like to have a reference chart for the built in rhythm patterns.

    If you look carefully, the rhythm selector has an accurate representation of the pattern actually!

  • @liine_nick said:
    If you look carefully, the rhythm selector has an accurate representation of the pattern actually!

    Yup, but I can't remember exactly how the notes were distributed in the other 15 rythms(not 15 really because 1,2,4,8 and 16 are straight so it is more likely 10). Having a real, printed, paper in front of me recalling the exact rhythmic structure of the pattern would help me to fast switch from rhythm 1 to rhythm 13 without any kind of hit and miss finding out that rhythm 12 wasn't what I was looking for.

  • @liine_nick said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @mschenkel.it said:

    @kobamoto said:
    Have you found Synthesis and Sampling to be that different in your experience, in my own only the origin of the oscillators have been the main difference , outside of that it's mostly been the same journey for the most part?In my opinion the hole is larger than you think.

    which synthesis and which sampling?
    Many modern synthesis techniques are based on samples(wavetables, single cycle, granular). If for sampling you are thinking at romplers as SampleTank, Lyra, Thumbjam etc. yes they are pretty similar; if you think instead at Kontakt or even Samplr I really can't point to any synth where things like built in beatslicing would make any sense(w/o involving resampling ofc). OTH a sampler won't be able to get a wide pitch range until big/huge libraries

    ah I see, so it's just the built in beat slicing that is the issue, so you believe a slicing widget would ruin the app?

    "I really can't point to any synth where things like built in beatslicing would make any sense"

    well then the Skram dev might be on the verge of something entirely new, wouldn't that be exciting?

    When you guys are talking about beatslicing, in the general sense of the term, do you mean like chopping up a loop Propellerheads ReCycle or Devine Machine Lucifer style? Disregarding the particulars of those UI choices, I just mean in terms of musical concept.

    I assume that's what he meant by 'aeatslicing' and I'd love some beatslicing in conjunction with sample mangling.

    to answer your questions MSchenkel.it I'd like to see what kind of slicing and sample mangling the dev comes up with first, there's allot of inspiration currently going on from hermutt lobby's playground to, egoist, Samplr. gadget, protein der klang, impc pro, etc.... sample slicing and mangling is not a new concept... it's decades old and even on iOS there are multiple ways to approach it... and by the looks of it this dev is quite capable. I just don't see the point in complaining about it before anything is implemented or before we see what direction the dev would take it in.

  • now if you are a musician who just doesn't like sampling, sample slicing, or sample mangling then I can understand that as there are all kinds of musicians, some love sampling, some hate it and everything in-between... but if the dev doesn't have anything against sampling then what can i tell you. I like it, so I'm interested.

  • lastly I don't think anyone has advocated not fixing anything that might need to be fixed in this thread, at least I haven't read anything like that so again for me personally that's a leap of an assumption, respectfully without a basis.

  • This app desperately needs to, at the very least, auto-save your last project. I left the app open after working on a DnB bit, came back to my resting iPad, and BOOM! Back to the demo song.

    It really feels like it could have cooked about 5 more minutes before serving. But I do like what I see so far ...

  • @eustressor said:
    This app desperately needs to, at the very least, auto-save your last project. I left the app open after working on a DnB bit, came back to my resting iPad, and BOOM! Back to the demo song.

    It really feels like it could have cooked about 5 more minutes before serving. But I do like what I see so far ...

    Actually, unless your force quit the app from multitasking, the session is supposed to stay as-is until you explicitly clear it. It would be great if you can try to help me reproduce this..

    Did you leave the app playing? Had you gone back to the home screen and launched another app (if so, which one)?

  • @liine_nick I'm on 9.1, so not sure to what extent multi-tasking is truly multi-tasking, but yes, I did have a few apps "in front of it," with my session still open in the background. Like Facebook and Mail, probably.

    20 minutes later, I pulled it back up front, saw the screen do a quick refresh, saw the BPM was back to 120 and already knew what had happened. Facepalm.

    The app was not actively playing. I didn't realize that might be essential. But if it's that easy to lose your song, I'd argue that auto-save of the latest tune would be an essential feature needed. We all get called away from our sacred tablets from time to time :sunglasses:

    Thank you for the quick response. I like Skram, but I don't like the pressure to arrange and record what I've got on the spot or risk losing it. Frustrating, as I'm sure you can understand. Aside from being called away, I also often prefer to step away, come back to things and then commit to a "performance."

    Looking forward to further developments!

  • Mixer view needs some sort of peak/levels indicator

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