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You saying we’re pedantic? Sheesh!
Typically, we use code-switching to refer to bilingual situations in which one would begin an occurrence in one language and finish it in another. It’s different from using loanwords in that the syntax shifts between the two codes. There’s a number of similar phenomena, including “code mixing” which happens at a broader level (not just a sentence).
Quite frequently, the two codes have distinct properties, for the speaker. The “we-code” keys in more personal discourse while the “they-code” is more distant and formal.
A key insight about this is that it comes from a high degree of fluency in both languages. People assumed that it was a sign of poor mastery of a second language (you revert back to your native language because you don’t know how to say something in the second one). But it only works if you truly understand the syntax of both languages.
Wasn’t able to do it, for the longest time. My English skills were decent enough and some Anglophones took me for one of them (just from a weird place with an accent they couldn’t place). Had to practice it, in some ways. It also became more common in my social context, in Montreal, as the “Two Solitudes” started to merge a bit.
Speaking of Montreal and Korg’s modules. Always wondered what the Vintage Electric Piano was about. My hometown does have thriving music scenes in a variety of genres (including Piu-Piu). But what gave Korg the idea to associate us with an EP?
FWIW, completely expecting everyone to use the English pronunciation of “Montreal” in this context, instead of « Montréal ». That’d be a case of “hypercorrection” (another neat concept from sociolinguistics).
Oh, and @kgmessier, my pronunciation of your name would be /mesje/ (close to Mace-yay). Guess people in France might say /mEsje/ (close to mess-yay), but vowel harmony is a thing in Québécois.
Naná Vasconcelos who is from Recife is reason enough to name a Korg percussion Gadget for. It is much harder to get a Gadget named after your city than it is for a musician to win a Grammy.
OMG Elephant Parts!
I know I butchered it in my latests videos. potato tomato taters and maters. I live in the southern United States, where we have our own language and butcher every english word.
You tried pronouncing it several ways so that shows some effort, that's got to count for something.
There are text to speech apps that seem to do a decent job. Male and Female Brazilian voices.
An online site set to Portugese.
This thread is famous and was indeed a SNL skit!
Butcher? I think we have it exactly right.
One thing we all agree on at least, most of us will say it differently
According to this TTS http://ttsreader.com/ it's indeed eyseefee in Brazilian Portuguese but Recif (with the R) in Original Portuguese .I thought at the beginning it was a Brazilian (samba , bossa nova) or a latin drum machine but it's an electro techno module like London . Rosario is in Argentina but it's not a tango module
No respect at Ellis Island
Wow, three pages of comments on portuguese pronunciation
Since I'm portuguese, let me offer my .02€:
R - problem starts at the 1st letter. English doesn't have the hard R sound, it's RREcife and not 'rEcife, much less Heh-cife, it has to roll from the back of the top of your mouth
E - the Re part, besides using a hard R has a long E, which english doesn't use much, either. Best I can recall is the sound "ai" in air, so you get a RRRAAI sound
CI - this part sounds just like how you spell C
FE - here's another difficult part, it's basically just air out like FFfff with a little bit of that E sound at the end, certainly no "fay" or any ornaments to the end of the word.
For reference, my name in portuguese is not pronounced pay-drow nor pee-drow -- it's peh-drooooo
Lol, I'm not sure I follow the association, though... Myanus speaks perfect portuguese
Pedro, eu acho que "Recife" se refere à cidade de Recife, não aos genéricos recifes (ou arrecifes, num português mais arcaico). Então é hey (sem o "y"!)-SEE-fee, como o pronunciaria um brasileiro (como eu, aliás, hheheheh), especialmente um natural de Recife (não eu, pois sou do Rio, mas nesse caso cariocas e recifenses pronunciamos exatamente da mesma forma). Nada contra o português patrício (eu particularmente gosto do sotaque), mas se a intenção é pronunciar de forma precisa, nada pode ser mais preciso que a forma como um local pronuncia o nome da cidade onde mora/nasceu.
P.S.: um gaúcho (um brasileiro nascido no Rio Grande do Sul) pronunciaria muito parecido com o que você descreveu, contudo.
P.P.S.: non-Portuguese speakers, Google translate!
FERRNERS!
So let's all just use Re like bee/ CE like sea and fe like fe fi fo fum! Good enough for me but call it whatever you like and try not to get to bent when one of your brothers has a different take please. It is for the little music children after all!
Of course, lolol. In fact this doesn't matter much. It's a trivia about how it's correctly pronounced, not at all about how we should pronounce it, right? Because, as for me, It's perfectly fine if someone pronounce Recife the way he or she feels right.
yep. dang ol drum machine makin us git all cultured an' such.