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Vintage Synths Headed For Downturn?
https://reverb.com/news/is-the-vintage-synth-market-headed-for-a-downturn
After recently picking up a vintage Roland MC 303 I can say, I am not sure. Frankly, there is something about the sound that fills my soul, but the juice might not be worth the squeeze when the IOS music situation is so lush.
Read the article and tell me what you think.
Now go do your homework and see you shortly.
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Not sure about the vintage ones but that brand new Deepmind 12 that Behringer released this year looks and sounds absolutely awesome!
I have the mc 808 - something nice about working with a physical groove box.
I know what you mean. My Korg M50 gives me that same sense. I definitely prefer hardware however the cost is prohibitive most times.
An MC303? I'm not sure that's what people are thinking when they talk about vintage synths. It's just low quality PCM samples.Fun box though. I prefer to use it as a midi controller for other synths, though some of the sounds are usable. I got mine cheap here in Japan for 50 bucks.
To me hardware you can rely on much more. And you can repair. Computers have a lot of power and quality and its amazing the inovations in software. Luckily we don't havd to choose between them.
My ios apps will keep me busy studying for years but then so will my RS7000
Both would be best, no doubts here as well.
+1. No offense (and good music can be made with anything) but that isn't what is referred to as vintage. Roland Tb-303 is vintage, roland mc-303 is used and discontinued. Maybe kitsch at best. Again, enjoy it, and use it. I had one and remember it was fun. But that's like entering a discussion with two dudes talking about vintage pre-cbs strats and mentioning your vintage '98 squier.
Again no offense.
As someone who started on a beautiful vintage '97 Squier, I take offense
Lol!
Hillarious
That was my example of the closest vintage synth item I PERSONALLY COULD RELATE TO THE STORY.
I am not sure you need to own one to have a discussion on an item either.
Hence, I post link to discuss the article, not the credibility, price point, or what the definition of vintage is, or if people posting in the thread somehow have met some standard of accreditation in vintage synthology.
Sorry
Mr. Saunders.....................
Something even better working with midiSequencer II.........................................
I think an interesting take on things are the use of the Craft item and Pocket Operators along with some other more cutting edge minimalist approaches.
Perhaps these smaller more specific instruments are the direction we will see synths in time.
For instance, the various semi DIY Synths and other IOS hard/ware crossover concepts are the new evolution of the system as a whole.
http://www.modalelectronics.com/craft/
Then you look at Yamaha, I think they see the writing on the wall based on the whole condensed reface series along with the new IOS /FM crossover concept.
The real vintage synths will always command a high value but will be less useful to most of us. The small footprint of today's synths is much better for many reasons, and for me a touch screen will never replace keys, pads and knobs for real performance, for general programming and as a modulation controller touch is ok.
I hear that the really smart people use Circuits.........................
Haha
I heard the really really smarter ones could possibly be interested in my Roland SH-09 and CSQ-600. I hesitate to call them vintage, I remember when those things were new (not these exact ones, although they must have been new at one stage).
Good maybe prices will go down and cheapskates like me can pick some up for the helluva it
so is the article about the prices falling on vintage gear, if so how can that be anything but good?
You looking for an app (e.g. multi-track midiSequencer = Quantum) as something to midi control a Roland MC or perhaps a midi recorder?
The MC808 and indeed most 'vintage digital' hardware has extensive midi capabilities - NRPN, Sysex - why has this control all been lost in our IOS world? The Roland MC808 has 18 pages of midi implementation yet most apps just manage CCs and note on/offs....
Because it will be the next awesome feature....
Vintage features for modern devices
not just iOS, native instruments maschine midi implementation is horrible but people swear they are making futuristic beats just because that sequencer can't even automate the tempo
I feel the art of midi is lost - synth pioneers used to make every nuance of their machines automatable if not reprogrammable using Sysex and NRPN.
I say give people the option to tweak.....
yes!
At least things like MPE slowly evolve and in most modern DAWs (sadly not on iOS yet) you can automate every possible parameter, even modulate them with LFO's and envelopes etc.
I mean MIDI works but is an old thing.
I think OSC is more advanced but i see not much use of it either.
Amen. And many of those were on chips programmed with ancient tech! It's one of those things that you get when you fork over the cash for a modern DSI synth; EVERYTHING can be externally controlled/recalled.
Feel the same about MIDI Thru ports.
I don't think Reverb were giving a good/bad. More just an overview with some data from the recent past. Though, if it were to be 'bad' for anyone, I guess it would be Reverb.
I think it's a pretty thoughtful take on it. Jupiter-8s are going to command absurd money for the foreseeable future. It's the "lesser" analog synths that used to be dirt cheap that have climbed the most ($800 for a sliderless JX-3P is silly but happening, because, analog). The article is projecting that those will 'right themselves' in the next year. And it makes sense to me since there are an ever growing number modern options for similar money.
Some are getting cheaper, but some are holding their value. Especially the 90's digital synths are really low price, but not sure if they count as vintage yet. Also many of them double as midi keyboards, so you might find some synth for same price as a cheap midi controller, but possibly even better keys.
Amen to that, cc on a filter ain't great when an nrpn would give so much more resolution....I guess most expect the screen to be used....
The MC303 of the future....