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Lost in a world between sequencer apps
I have a project where it's time I made extensive use of an IOS sequencer.
I am lost between worlds...
I don't feel really creative with Quantum (even though it is a exceptional app), or extensive modular approaches to working - they sort of kill the vibe for me.
On my Laptop I have Numerology which also kills the vibe (as amazing as it's features are)
I really want to avoid pushing a whole load of buttons to get a musical outcome
What I do like is Rozetta suite & Senode - both great at getting snippets of ideas and randomizing elements.
I'm really wanting to often be able to escape 4/4 timing
Chord tracks, randomization, pitch and scale functions, shuffling, moving events, various swing modes, etc.
I really often like being able to record midi performances on keys/apps / into a sequencer too - so being able to have no automatic quantize is a must
I do like the idea behind Xequencer - the linear approach - but no videos make me wary + its only 4/4!!!
Am I dreaming?
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@Mayo Xequence can use any time signature, you just can't change time signatures during the song. There's a few videos floating around on YouTube...
Xequence can have (seemingly) any possible time signature. Plus no quantize.
Have a look at sequencism
It’s free and will host AUs including the Rozeta suite
Seems to tick most of the boxes you mentioned.
@ SevenSystems OK - that is fine, I can totally work with that.
It's sort of like multitracking midi tracks?
So I can have 5 or 7 bar patterns on 1 track and 4 bar patterns on another etc?
What about chord tracks, randomization, pitch , scale functions?
@Mayo, hope I can answer a few questions:
Yes, you can use any time signature, it just has to be the same throughout the song.
No
No
You can choose scales (i.e. Major, Dorian, etc.) and a root key (say, E or F#), and the available keys on the keyboard screen and the "rows" in the pianoroll editor will then just show the notes that are part of that scale. Likewise, transposing in the pianoroll editor will also stick to that scale (i.e., transpose by scale steps, not by semitones). Except if you choose the Chromatic scale, of course, which will the just use semitones. Oh, and you can choose different scales and root keys per instrument (read: track).
Xequence does support swing, but only err, "traditional" swing common in dance music (?). It is non-destructive though, i.e. you can just move a slider on a track to increase or decrease the swing "feel".
Yes, you can move, copy, clone, mirror, flip, transpose, quantize etc. events and parts ("clips", "patterns", everyone calls them differently) to your liking
Yes, you can disable quantization completely with a single tap, but still quantize after the fact if you wish.
Yes, of course, you can freely arrange on a timeline.
It is pretty similar to, say, the MIDI portion of Cubasis, but with a larger editing feature set, and it's universal (iPhone + iPad).
You can check the QuickStart manual online. It's just ca. 35 pages and gives you some good details and screenshots (albeit no video).
Xequence looks like it is for me.
What really stands out is:
Per-track non-destructive Swing and Delay (timeshift +/- 200 ms) - this is amazing !!
Also -256 Undo/Redo, Legato, Flip H/V (mirror). Midifile export, and all of the great copy functions like global clipboard across projects etc etc.
I've been waiting to find the right midi sequencer on IOS for many years.
I'm in
@SevenSystems - got it!
Where is the best youtube links - nothing comes up for me?
Do people use the Yamaha mobile sequencer app at all? Would it fit here?
yamaha mobile sequencer doesn’t do AU as far as I’m aware.
@Mayo: We don't have any "official" videos, and so far, from the community we've only seen a single video, immediately after Xequence was first released... it's a bit old, but maybe gives a nice first impression:
There's a little "noodling around" video from myself which also gives a bit of an overview, but it's nothing "official" or professional:
It seems like a "normal" sequencer is just too boring for making Youtube videos from it!
Thanks for that,
You need Haq, or the Soundtest Room to do a vid
@SevenSystems I have tried for an hour. Read the manual and I’m still a dolt. How can I copy just a section of notes out of one track and paste them into another.
You currently cannot copy notes directly between parts, however this is planned for the next update (clipboard support for the pianoroll and controller editors -- essentially they will also get a "+" menu at the bottom left, just like the arranger).
What you CAN currently do though is duplicate the entire part and then just move it to a different track.
@SevenSystems Thanks! I kind of did that for s workaround.
One more question. Sorry.... so if I am using AUM. Is there any way to get a program change to toggle the transport controls? I have tried and failed miserably. I know what the cc is. I have moved the program change around but sometimes it will hit the synth if I’m on same midi channel.
@Chaztrip: I don't think there's a way to trigger AUM's control transports with program changes... however, I just tried it with a note:
Basically:
But this is probably stuff that's easier for @j_liljedahl to answer? He knows his beast
@SevenSystems Thanks agaiin!!! I will give this a go and get back to you. You are great!!!
@SevenSystems Yes that works...... what I need to figure out is if I have like 4-5 different file players and I want to trigger them at different spots. I wish that BM3 was not so flakey as I would like to use it. once again thanks!!!
I got Xequence, got confused, put it in the 'no doubt one day' pile and kept moving blindly on. All of which is to say that while you guys know your app backwards, a lot of willing yet essentially ADD folks (self) get A LOT out of a few good 'get you past the first stumbling' videos....which is indeed why Doug, Mitch, and Jakob are so very valuable to us (and developers thereafter..).
@mayo a few questions:
1. Are you wanting to use the sequencer on iOS to control a DAW or hardware synths?
2. If a DAW, which DAW are you using
3. Have you tried BeatMaker3 or Modstep? It’s a great sequencer and operates from a clip/scene model which allows you to have a variety of sequencing easily available for playback.
I’ve recently been running some tests where i use either app to sequence Ableton and hardware synths being processed through the Random and Scale operators to add a little variety to my sequences. I know i could sequence it all in Live, but the simple act of programming and playing things on iOS resonates more with me.
Here are three examples of the technique i listed above in which i launch various 2 bar clips while live recording and noodling
Should add that Mitch's Audio Dabbler vid here IS good. Get's you off the ground and going. When you say it's 'old' @SevenSystems what are the key things someone whose only introduction is this vid be looking out for?
@JohnnyGoodyear: I don't want to spam the forum too much
It's quite a lot... but yes, the video is still a very good introduction and I appreciate Audio Dabbler's effort. He's still the world record holder in "Number of Xequence tutorial videos made" (1) 
@SevenSystems Really great support for your app on here! I am going to take a longer look at it today. I thought I didn't need another sequencer, but you are very helpful and are listening to the users, so I may have to get this one, too. It actually sounds like something I would use a lot, now that I am reading and learning a bit more about your sequencer app. Cheers!
same here, couldn’t gel with it off the bat, but due to the dev’s overwhelming support and enthusiasm i’ll keep on trying. Also the video’s help, a lot.
edit i remember i gave up because i just couldn’t find the metronome. just noticed it’s there in the update hehe
@echoopera - yes I am using IOS extensively with my DAW - but it is Reaper, which does not have link!!
(this has many issues that need to be worked around)
But I have to stay the course with Reaper because this project I'm doing is 8 hours long, and it is a 160 channel (speaker) work.
So I may have up to 500 or more tracks running on Reaper for the 8hrs (easy task)
(it's a total of 76,800 minutes of individual music tracks!!)
Ableton would never cope.
I am also processing midi (and samples) from DAW into IOS like you, including hardware synths, so I may have a look into Modstep for some extra fun processing.
I do have BM3 - but I don't really find it intuitive, and for this project it is too much stuffing around learning a whole new way of working - time is precious.
How is the learning curve on Modstep?
What sort of fun midi processing are you doing with it?
Also - are you doing live midi processing with Modstep?
@SevenSystems - could I record the output of Modstep into Xequence?
@CracklePot: Thanks... sure I listen to the users. That's the primary "target" the app has been developed for
(I must admit though, personally, I'm an avid fan of it too 
) Regarding the "I don't need another sequencer": The biggest difference between Xequence and most iOS sequencers is probably that this one is very arrangement-oriented and not so much live-oriented, i.e. it is really meant to start and finish complete songs in it. I know finishing songs isn't as much fun, but... that's the intention at least!
@Markosdee: We'd love to do more videos. However, doing professional video production is much more time-consuming and/or expensive than writing a manual or putting some hints in the code, so this has to take a backseat until Xequence is featured on the App Store and we're rich
(I perfectly understand the desire to have more videos though).
@Mayo: Xequence is a pure MIDI sequencer, it doesn't play or record any audio. You can, however, either import standard MIDI files into it (if ModStep exports them, which I'm sure it does), or record MIDI live from other apps / hardware (but only a single track at once).
This is what I'm seeing/liking a very lot in X. In the world of 16 bar loops, arrangement towards completion is a big piece of mistletoe still waiting for the snog.
Don't get too hung up on making the hipster masterpiece. Just teach the boys to fish etc.
I understand it is purely Midi (that is what I am needing)
And I'm loving that I can do really long timeline based midi multitracking
I was thinking of possibly live processing midi into Modstep (in sync)- and recording the midi directly into Xequence.
One midi track is fine - it can be split up into separate midi channels later.
This thread makes me wanna Xequence out.
I just clicked with Quantum today and it's totally incredible.
@JohnnyGoodyear - I'm with you.
Loops are great for ideas.
But multitracking midi and audio is for composition .
I can't stand working in 4/8/16 bar loops as a way to create a completed work.