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Xequence 2 Vs Nanostudio 2 - advice please

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  • edited February 2020

    pitching is normal behaviour .. or to be more exact this is how it usually sounds - most delays even on hardware synths behave this way when you change delay length during it is processing sound... i remember korg MS2000 had exaclty same bahaviour .. same with analog delay on Korg Monologue and many other synths i had ..

    of course there are delays optimalised for exactly this particular purpose (to not pitch when time is modulated) - i guess they are using some kind of pitchshifting / time stretching algorythm to compensate pitch shifting of sound when delay length is altered ...

    On other side, on many delays (even on HW synths!) altering delay time during playback leads to even lot worse artifacts than just pitching - clicks, cracks, stuff like that .. I like this pitching effect, it's actually creative tool, especially for psychedelic music :)

    btw. here it is, just a bit tweaked, with delay decay automated, starting with short interval and ending with long
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ucb0gbvmcrw4bl3/modulated_delay.wav?dl=0 , for people who don't have NS to try it :)

  • edited February 2020

    @dendy said:
    pitching is normal behaviour .. or to be more exact this is how it usually sounds - most delays even on hardware synths behave this way when you change delay length during it is processing sound... i remember korg MS2000 had exaclty same bahaviour .. same with analog delay on Korg Monologue and many other synths i had ..

    btw. here it is, just a bit tweaked, with delay decay automated, starting with short interval and ending with long
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ucb0gbvmcrw4bl3/modulated_delay.wav?dl=0 , for people who don't have NS to try it :)

    Hmm, come to think of it, you’re right about changing hardware delay times live and getting the same pitching affect on the sound.
    My bad!

  • @dendy said:
    pitching is normal behaviour .. or to be more exact this is how it usually sounds - most delays even on hardware synths behave this way when you change delay length during it is processing sound... i remember korg MS2000 had exaclty same bahaviour .. same with analog delay on Korg Monologue and many other synths i had ..

    of course there are delays optimalised for exactly this particular purpose (to not pitch when time is modulated) - i guess they are using some kind of pitchshifting / time stretching algorythm to compensate pitch shifting of sound when delay length is altered ...

    If it only did! That's the thing, it does not alter pitch so I wonder what else would be musically useful in modulating the delay time. Your audio example (thanks for recording it!) shows very well how bad it sounds now.

    On other side, on many delays (even on HW synths!) altering delay time during playback leads to even lot worse artifacts than just pitching - clicks, cracks, stuff like that .. I like this pitching effect, it's actually creative tool, especially for psychedelic music :)

    Nothing against having the choice. The delay has a number of switchable modes so both could be included.

  • @dendy said:
    pitching is normal behaviour .. or to be more exact this is how it usually sounds - most delays even on hardware synths behave this way when you change delay length during it is processing sound...

    It's the same process as an old analogue tape delay. You change the delay time by changing the playback speed of the tape and thus change the pitch. Anything already on the tape will therefore be pitched up or down when you change delay time. If you turn off feedback, as soon as the tape loop is 'clear' of the old delays the pitches of the delays will be back to 'normal' and match the source as they were recorded at the same speed the tape is playing back at.

    Many digital delays work in exactly the same way. They sample the audio and change the playback speed when the delay time is altered. The change in pitch is the already sampled audio being played back at a different rate and therefore pitch (just like playing a sample up and down the keyboard).

  • @echoopera said:
    Thanks again @dendy you revealed something powerful to me today.

    Check it:

    Microfreak and Electribe Wave and NanoStudio 2 are perfect combo. 👊🏼™️🙏🏼💕

    Echo opera with the inspirational posts.
    Had a question...well, actually 2.

    1.Electribe Wave vs Gadget Electribe Wave? Would Gadget be a substitute for this workflow?

    1. Have you thought of doing the same thing on an iPhone? I've been trying to build the smallest but most powerful mini device (using an iPhone SE) but I wanted to hear your thoughts.

    The apps I'm thinking of using is Nanostudio 2 + Gadget 2. Maybe Audiobus for the switching window.

  • @Samflash3 said:

    @echoopera said:
    Thanks again @dendy you revealed something powerful to me today.

    Check it:

    Microfreak and Electribe Wave and NanoStudio 2 are perfect combo. 👊🏼™️🙏🏼💕

    Echo opera with the inspirational posts.
    Had a question...well, actually 2.

    1.Electribe Wave vs Gadget Electribe Wave? Would Gadget be a substitute for this workflow?

    If your can get your Patches to sound the same in Gadget, then in Gadget.

    1. Have you thought of doing the same thing on an iPhone? I've been trying to build the smallest but most powerful mini device (using an iPhone SE) but I wanted to hear your thoughts.

    I don’t like making music on the iPhone that much.

    The apps I'm thinking of using is Nanostudio 2 + Gadget 2. Maybe Audiobus for the switching window.

    NS2 is pretty great as a sequencer so blessed hat should work nicely.

  • edited March 2020

    @Samflash3
    I would say that Gadget cannot replace the Microfreak but NS2 plus the Spectrum AUv3 bundle plus E.Wave plus the powerful Obsidian synth mostly can.

  • wimwim
    edited March 2020

    @dendy said:

    @YourJunk said:
    Ugh, sounds like something I’ll just need to buy someday and try it out.

    Watching all discusions about NS, most people are talking just about Obsidian or sequencer - but bundled in FXs deserve to be mentioned too - in terms of quality they can easily replace 90% of AUfx without compromising quality but with significant CPU efficiency increase... Reverb, Waveshaper (saturator/overdive/distortion) are extremely good, Limiter and Compressor belongs to best available on iOS - very VERY transparent, almost surgically, very nice sounding chorus/phaser/flanger, very good exciter, also stereo delay is nice, good bitcrusher...

    I totally disagree. Xequence 2’s built-in FX are the lightest on CPU that I’ve seen on iOS, far more so than NS2’s or any other DAW for that matter. And the sound quality? It’s indescribable!

  • @wim said:

    I totally disagree. Xequence 2’s built-in FX are the lightest on CPU that I’ve seen on iOS, far more so than NS2’s or any other DAW for that matter. And the sound quality? It’s indescribable!

    On the internet nobody can tell when you're being sarcastic...

  • @cian

    This was sarcasm. And good one, he nailed it, i like it !!

  • @dendy said:
    @cian

    This was sarcasm. And good one, he nailed it, i like it !!

    I got it, you got it. Others who may be less familiar with Xequence's capabilities might not...

  • @rs2000 said:
    @Samflash3
    I would say that Gadget cannot replace the Microfreak but NS2 plus the Spectrum AUv3 bundle plus E.Wave plus the powerful Obsidian synth mostly can.

    True. But wouldn't Nanostudio 2 be able to host Spectrum as an AUv3? And also, multitrack and Audiobus would solve the IAA and audio recording problems.

    I've been looking at what Microfreak is but it seems to be a hardware synth (unless it's an app that I can't seem to find). Please let me know otherwise.

  • edited March 2020

    @Samflash3 said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @Samflash3
    I would say that Gadget cannot replace the Microfreak but NS2 plus the Spectrum AUv3 bundle plus E.Wave plus the powerful Obsidian synth mostly can.

    True. But wouldn't Nanostudio 2 be able to host Spectrum as an AUv3?

    Sure, that's what I meant.

    And also, multitrack and Audiobus would solve the IAA and audio recording problems.

    It wouldn't be my idea of a smooth workflow but it surely works.

    I've been looking at what Microfreak is but it seems to be a hardware synth (unless it's an app that I can't seem to find).

    Yes. And a rather unique one. There are many videos about the Arturia Microfreak.

  • edited March 2020

    @rs2000 said:

    @Samflash3 said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @Samflash3
    I would say that Gadget cannot replace the Microfreak but NS2 plus the Spectrum AUv3 bundle plus E.Wave plus the powerful Obsidian synth mostly can.

    True. But wouldn't Nanostudio 2 be able to host Spectrum as an AUv3?

    Sure, that's what I meant.

    And also, multitrack and Audiobus would solve the IAA and audio recording problems.

    It wouldn't be my idea of a smooth workflow but it surely works.

    I've been looking at what Microfreak is but it seems to be a hardware synth (unless it's an app that I can't seem to find).

    Yes. And a rather unique one. There are many videos about the Arturia Microfreak.

    Yeah, I think Gadget, and Nanostudio with some AUv3 should provide what I'm looking for in a mobile keyboard device.
    The microfreak looks sick, but since I'm an amateur at synthesis, I doubt I'd be able to appreciate its potential.

    Also, maybe I don't need to record the audio on the same device. Recording the MIDI should suffice, and I can record the audio on a different device.

    Or maybe, Audioshare or even a screen capture. I'm not sure of the stability of Multitrack in audiobus setup.

  • wimwim
    edited March 2020

    @cian said:

    @wim said:

    I totally disagree. Xequence 2’s built-in FX are the lightest on CPU that I’ve seen on iOS, far more so than NS2’s or any other DAW for that matter. And the sound quality? It’s indescribable!

    On the internet nobody can tell when you're being sarcastic...

    You're right. I simply can't say how deeply sorry I am for making that comment.

  • @wim said:

    You're right. I simply can't say how deeply sorry I am for making that comment.

    You see that's more of a double entendre...

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