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there are other apps that call themselves sampler and don't sample from the core audio inputs, the difference between those apps and the impc is that they don't sample internally or from your iTunes library either, luckily it does, it's a brilliant app, made better when they fix those annoying issues.
I've been talking with retronyms on this forum, on the fb page, on akais fb page, on disc chord, and on the iPad musicians page…
what do they say when you talk to them?
this internal sampling is pretty good.
@kobamoto said:
You're having exactly the same arguement with Tritinman2 as you were with me a few weeks ago, so there's definitely a pattern emerging here
there seems to be a difference in what the three of us call a disagreement.
I've talked to retronyms about the issues that you guys have brought up before you brought them up, how that makes me someone you want to argue with instead of someone that raised your concerns with retronyms before you did I don't know.
maybe you can shed some light on it?
the only difference I can see is that the two of you don't use the app, and in spite of the issues that the three of us have complained about I still continue to use the app for what it does extremely well. Why that rubs you the wrong way I don't know either, you've effectively had the biggest problem with the person who's pushed retronyms the hardest to solve the issues, which I don't understand either.
I feel we've done enough for now 'lifting' the issues with iMPC Pro.
I'm still waiting for reply from Retronyms as I've offered my help to assist in beta-testing iMPC Pro especially regarding 'external sampling', no reply yet...
There is also a thread here in the AudioBus Forum dedicated to iMPC Pro feature requests that has been forwarded to Retronyms and I've gotten reply a long time ago that it was 'forwarded to the development team'. The list of requests is 'huge' and if even only 10% of it gets implemented it's going to be amazing update when it is released...
http://forum.audiob.us/discussion/5168/impc-pro-feature-suggestions/p1
Once the support for input & output from/to external devices together with input-monitoring is in place it's time to start pushing the other integration features like AudioBus(Most Unlikely to happen but...) and Filepicker/Fileprovider Extensions, which would be handy for exporting & importing Samples and Projects to/from almost anywhere...
And well, the 'file system' in iMPC Pro needs an overhaul and a few other UI-Tweaks here and there to increase usability even more.
And credit is where credit is due, the internal sampling from IAA-Instruments & Generators is working nicely as is the 'copy-sampling' from iTunes Library, there is simply no 'competition' on iOS regarding this.
AudioCopy works too but I wish it had AudioShare integration too...
Maybe next update of AudioCopy will cure some of the issues plaguing it like slowness and no way to delete empty folders.
A 'merger' of AudioShare and AudioCopy would be sweet but i doubt it will ever happen.
Currently I'm using AudioShare to do all my external sampling and once the new versions pops up with improved Zoom,Trim & Fade it's going to be awesome.
ditto…, I dunno what the angst directed at me is about but I've sure appreciated your contributions, I don't think there is anything that we've missed, Dan should be seeing things crystal clear right about now.
Look, I really do not know how to be more clear and it seems you really won't be happy until someone is mad at you personelly for the developers shortcomings. Perhaps Monzo will accomidate your need but my "angst" is not with you and I really doubt his is either. Perhaps it is just time you face the fact that at the present time we have no love for the impc amateur app and that it has nothing to do with you. This really is not all about you. Honestly I do not know how to be more clear about that.
no it's not about me, again, there isn't any issue that you or monzo have with the app that I haven't agreed with or brought up with retronyms before you brought it up, but still you seem to have some disagreement as does he, it makes no sense to disagree with someone who agrees with you but the two of you do it anyway….
also up above you posted that I didn't say that I was speaking for myself as if I needed to prerequisite my comments about the app by announcing that, but you didn't say anything about speaking for yourself and not everybody .. I don't know maybe you think you speak for everybody but my opinions and where they come from have been clear from the get go…..
you know what after going back over the thread this is what I see, I have never disagreed with you or anybody else regarding the bugs or the omissions of the impc, but you and monzo have disagreed with me over (not the bugs or problems with the app) but over the things I like about the app while simultaneously telling me that you don't use the app like I use it, don't use it for what I use it for, and don't find the things that I find important about the app of any value….. those things have been the slicing, the sequencing, the pattern tempo, muting, and mixing/fx state saving features….. which is fine by me, we all like what we like, but you guys act like there is a problem with me expressing the things I like about the app…. you make your little snide remarks and i.e: impc 'amateur' etc… and go on and on.
you know the first time I spoke to monzo was to offer him help about a feature that he wanted in the app and thought it wasn't and I alerted him to the fact that it was, or that could have been you I don't remember and it doesn't matter, the point is that is where my head was at when all of this bs started. look at the exchange I had with papertiger who turned out not to use the app for the things I use the app for those same things I just listed in the paragraph before this one… how did it turn out, … fine, we didn't have anything to argue about and it ended with us having a beer, which right after that you guys decided that there was some reason to have an ongoing disagreement with me.
there is no reason why my interaction with you or monzo should have gone any different than it did with papertiger….
i get that you don't like the app, you can hate the app for all I care, you can hate it more than all the other apps that don't sample put together, and monzo can hate it for how it works on an iPad 2 whatever…. the same bugs you guys don't like I don't like, but apparently you guys don't like that there are things in the app that I like…. i'm sorry that bothers you.
Can I not like it? I have your permission? Thank you so much. I am relieved. I guess you can like it then seeing how benevolent you have been with me.
I don't play the banjo, but I'm not arguing with banjo players about it.
next time lets actually have something to argue about if we're going to have an argument, the fact that we all agree on what is wrong with this app doesn't reflect well on this conversation.
@kobamoto said:
Can you point out where that has been said to you? As far as I'm aware everyone has been exceptionally polite and patient with you, despite the fact the 'snide comments' have come from YOU, such as: "I know the features of gadgets samplers probably better than you and you own it" and "I know more about sampling beatmachines than you do".
@kobamoto said:
Maybe if you toned down your aggression towards us, stopped your continual misrepresentation of what we've said, and accepted that issues aren't down to an inability to use your beloved app, or that there is some great conspiracy against you, rather than the damn thing doesn't work properly on my iPad 2 and I just don't like it. You love it, that's obvious, that's fine, carry on.
Actually it was not said about him but that is what I called the app. To be honest when I had the app on my ipad I did find it quite enticing but without proper sampling from external it was just useless to me as I had intended to use it. Oh, and that the claims in the advertising were not accurate kind of puts me off as well.
@Tritonman2 said:
Same here, I bought it when it was first out due to the slick pre-release advertising. Then found it didn't save the sample editing points, making it virtually unusable with your own samples, which took a month to fix.
I've gone back to it a few times after comments on this thread, just to see if I can get some kind of use from it but every time it lets me down. Now there seems to be so many bugs when using it with my iPad2 - it doesn't save correctly, crashes continuously or just locks up, that I really can't be bothered with it any more. Easily my worst ever app purchase.
LOL, I almost spit coffee.
@kobamoto said:
mab,just chill please.Why is it so important for you that everybody has to love this app?Do you make better music with it then?iMpc"Pro"doesn't know Midi Out nor Midi sync..So, in my opinion it's not only not "pro" but also it doesn't deserve to be called an"MPC".Still,can be a nice production tool.I would never deny that. Deal with it.Nobody broke your toys.
@Crabman said:
what gave you that impression, I'm not the one in a thread talking about an app that I have no use for, claim is the worst app, and clearly don't like. I don't mind that they don't like the app.
I've talked about two things in the thread, the things I think make the app brilliant, and the things I wish retronyms would fix about the app, but I think I'm coming around to seeing you guys point of view. I won't talk about the app anymore.
@Samu said:
Slightly OT for an iMPC thread, but can you share how you got external audio into iMini on iOS?
I didn't think you could do this.
Cheers.
I haven't yet purchased iMPC Pro yet, nor iProphet, but really want to, but what is so infuriating about Retronyms is they release apps on an industrial scale, with lots of bugs, with no real urgency to fix these bugs, then move on to the next release, what's the next one, the Digits Port. Come on Retronyms, I know there are now talking but please fix what's out there and broken, first and foremost.
@monzo said:
Same. I finally let the 15 bucks go and just deleted it recently. Felt good.
I like to keep it on there. Kind of my buffer. Always got a gb if I need it. Like that 20 dollar bill you pretend to have forgotten about in your old jeans, but you know is there, just waiting for the beer to run out.
Lovely philosophy.
For me, it was like that one cigarette you kept after quitting, just in case. Instead of a buffer, it became a 'try me again' nag and ultimately got in the way of actually producing music because I kept trying and basically failing.
For what it's worth, I don't think it's the app's fault. I think it's a nice app—we just didn't jive.
I hear you. And the truth is I don't drink anymore either. Or smoke.
Good call, but good analogies too.
@syrupcore said:
Here's your daily dose of pedantry: most likely what you meant to say was 'jibe', rather than 'jive'. Then again jive could be appropriate, depending on what style of music you were trying to produce
I've never really jibed with that phrase.
@syrupcore said:
Yeah, I muck about with the iPad because it's a fun thing to do. Trying to get the iMPC Pro to do what I want it to feels too much like work, and then it crashes or doesn't save and all that work is lost. It's the opposite to fun.
It has potential and I could get used to the workflow, but it's an unfinished product and shouldn't have been released with the number of bugs that it still has, particularly when the developers have moved on to new products.
I'm running out of space on my iPad so it's days are numbered, but as well as gaining a bit more space I'll no longer be tempted to give it another go, and waste another hour of my time.
@xen said:
Try these settings in iMini and press a key and all input is fed thru iMini, if no 'headphones' are attached it will be feedback-heaven because the mic-input is feed thru iMini...:D
@kobamoto said:
@kobamoto - Sorry, I'm only on the first page of this thread but will continue to read but I'm curious to hear why you think the iMPC pro is superior to BM2. The reason I ask is the reason I even got into ios music making was because of BM2. I used to own an actual MPC back in the day so the idea of having a portable mpc on my phone was a dream come true. But at least the earliest version of the IMPC sucked for me AND YES, I DO SAMPLE. Also, when you make an argument about people who don't sample shouldn't criticize, then can the iMPC do 24 bit audio? If not, then that's kinda a checkmate against it in terms of being a "real" sampler vs a convenient sampler that's cheap and can be put on your phone. Not trying to go against you but rather share forthright ideas as I'm in a situation where I might not have access to Ableton for a few months so need a reliable ios workflow in the meantime. I had high hopes for UVI beathawk but it seems it's gone MIA.
I'll continue to read this thread as maybe some of my questions have already been answered so if they have, apologies in advance.
Thanks and happy beat making/sampling everybody
EDIT: Okay, so I read through the whole thread. I almost plucked down the cash to buy it but it turns out it's only available on the ipad, NOT the iphone. That's a deal killer for me. Some of my most creative moments come from riding the subway/train or bus and I don't always bring my ipad with me, but my phone is always there. However, thanks kobamoto for your thoughts. I think the part where you said that BM2 has more features but you just happen to like the workflow of iMPC better helped me make my decision as I've already grown accustomed to BM2's workflow but glad to hear iMPC is helping you with your creativity. Peace
first of all our conversation got a little heated but I like everyone in the discussion, we're big boys and can handle such things from time to time so don't let that sway your focus of the discussion of the apps.
regarding the debate, it's not so much that my opinion is that the impc pro is better than bm2 even if that's what it seems like I said or if I did say those words. I've owned bm2 for quite some time, far longer than the impc pro and frankly not unlike protools bm2 was the only game in town worth mentioning for what seemed like forever.
that said this is my opinion, 24 bit samples don't matter for me personally as I'm not using sample packs, also you're an mpc user as such you know that the mpc 4000 and 5000 are the only ones that do 24bit samples and for sure they are great machines but would you say that the other mpcs are not good because they don't use 24bit samples?
probably not.
I feel beatmaker is a much better app for those looking for a linear based workflow and needing to sequence other apps.
here is why for my current beatmaking needs the impc pro fits the bill better, something that also as a samplist and mpc user you will understand. for a daw I need a linear sequencer, for a sampling beat machine I don't need a linear sequencer, I need a pattern based sequencer, one that I can change tempos and have a different tempo on each pattern, one that I can have recordable muting and soloing that is different on each pattern. basically a sampling beat machine app that is geared towards being a beatmachine rather than a daw. there is a big difference, like the difference between the mpc and the roland mv8800, which is another great machine but the workflow less beat machine centric.
there are some new features that I would welcome in any music app that the impc pro brought to the table as well, having snapshot mixer and fx automation settings that can be different for each and every sequenced pattern is a great feature for beatmaking and beat machine centric instruments like the elektron machines for instance. this feature allows you to take a single pattern and create many incredible and wide ranging variations of that pattern almost effortlessly. for musicians who prefer to not have the same pattern just looping over and over it's an extremely great feature to have.
beatmaker has more features than the impc pro will probably ever have, but the workflow is much smoother for my taste on the impc pro. when inspiration strikes and you want to grab some samples quick and work with them you probably want the program you're using to get out of the way as fast as possible in other words you want to think more about the sampling and editing and pattern making more than the difficulties of the workflow within the app, for some bm2 workflow will be better, but for me the impc pros workflow is the path of least resistance..... like logic vs. ableton live. for pattern based sampling workflows.
finally I wasn't putting anyone down if it sounded that way, which it did to some I'm sorry about that. I thought it was important to point out that I was debating with some people who don't even like sampling at all, and some who thought that the sampling priorities were not even their priority. I pointed that out to make clear the perspectives that were present.
if you're talking to somebody about synths and the person your talking to doesn't even like synths then what kind of discussion is that going to lead to..... Nothing I said was meant to be personal against anyone involved in the discussion.
I could say more but that's about the gist of it
I hope it gives you a better understanding of my state of mind during that discussion.