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I was thinking to say that, too. And it us moog filter after all
I find this a bit of a strange beast. Def too limited as a standalone unit - they should have added a second (syncable) oscillator, another LFO (with more LFO waveforms) and better envelopes (yes I know this would add cost but IMHO it would be worth it).
However, at the same time as an extra oscillator for a semi modular or synth with CV's or as part of a full modular it may well have a place.
Certainly sounds nice and as it's Moog it's bound to be a hit. Would love the 3 tier version.
I guess the Korg MS-20 Mini is the most obvious competition. No sequencer, and you have to deal with Korg's particular pitch/voltage standard, but better value otherwise. Although I suspect the build quality isn't as nice.
Totally agreed. Plus the sequencer has memory, 64 patch points is probably more than you'd end up with in a similarly spec'd system, it works as mono synth without patching and it basically includes the filter by which all other filters are rated. It's also not accounting for having the letters M, O, O, and G on it. I would have thought that MOOG would be asking more like $1000 for this much kit.
Good point. The MS-20 mini also comes with a keyboard. It does have fewer patch points and that cv/pitch tracking is a deal breaker for certain uses.
I own no eurocrack modules but I think a big part of this unit's appeal/value proposition is that you can stick it directly in your rack and, like you noted, it will "just work" with eurocrack standard voltages. It's odd that they aren't selling a discounted caseless version.
that was my initial reaction as well but after listening to the entire promo I think this sounds pretty great stand alone. A single OSC isn't a make or break thing if the synth sounds good and does other interesting things (which this does even before patching, I think anyway). The music in the promo sounded good and rich and full to my ears.
I especially like that it's a single OSC if that is what keeps it at a price I can justify! I could definitely make music with this immediately as is. All the stuff you mention (great stuff on a synth, no doubt) can be added to this — it's definitely a starter module. And you can pick the best version of each of those things to suit your music. Or at least that's the story I'm telling myself at the moment.
^ If you're talking about the video demo, it is 1) drenched with reverb and 2) not all demo sounds can be achieved by just one single module, most of the patches they are using the three tier module setup. Regardless..I AM getting one!
I think there's only one or two patches in the demo that use more than one unit as a single synth. Most of the multi setups are producing different sounds/parts (like bass/melody).
I don't mind the parts that are drenched in reverb. Bugged me at first but then I realized it was intended to be an 'in use' demo as opposed to a 'details of the sound engine' sort of demo. They invited actual artists to come in and make music with the things. They each choose the processing that suited it I imagine.
On the standalone point I think the filter is switchable low or high pass. This is a shame, had it been possible to run the filters in series it would have greatly increased the sonic palette. Can this be done via the patch bay?
Agree it's a Moog filter so it is a fab filter, but not so good if you want to try to create tones other than Moogy. I would love a Moog synth in some ways but usually for me they never quite give enough. I do have a Moog MF 101 LPF which allows me to get Moog tones from other hardware but not so easy to do the other way round.
All said though this does tempt me as an expander unit and from that point of view I really like it.
Speaking as someone who for years only used an even more limited one oscillator semi-modular (a Korg MS-10), it's not as dull a setup as some people seem to be implying. PWM makes a big addition to the richness of the sound palette. Also the fact that the LFO can run at audio rates makes for interesting possibilities..
Perhaps a Roland Aira Demora (http://www.roland.co.uk/products/demora/) might make an interesting (and not too expensive) companion. It can be a freestanding unit but is modular patchable (like the Moog Mother 32) and it's innards and patch points can be reprogrammed using an iOS app with up to six more VA eurorack modules. As a result it can serve up not only delay based fx, but also things like extra oscillators, filters, ring mods etc.
I used to love the sound of my mates MS10 - sometimes I preferred it to my own MS20 so the single oscillator thing doesn't bother me at all.
My first synth was a Jen SX1000. That had one osc. Have played many single osc synths.
The double and triple Moog Mothers are still great value for what you get.
i bet the first thing everyone adds is an adsr envelope ^^
no octave switches, not for me, on what pitch are we know? ^^
Touched and tried last weekend at the Budapest Music Expo, first impressions after 3 minutes in a noisy music exhibition:
Only 1x VCO, but 32 patches (not able to test them so much) and a PWM (which I loved it while testing it)...
Considering the EuroRack interface style, I d say a great potential at an "affordable" price (particularly for who loves the Ladder Filter)...
Personally, I d get for the potential...although, I d need to test for longer time....said that, and being a "Detune" fans, I think that to get a full potential out of these jewels you d need at least two units....or even better THREE, as Moog advices, offering as optional the 3x units rack.
And there was me thinking I was over the whole hardware thing..
This and the Moog is starting to look dangerously tempting.
Eurorack is always smaller than you imagine, I find.
it all looks & sounds nice,
but doesn't fit my workflow all. ^^
Yeah...I noticed the absence of this when I looked at the photos - how do you control the length/attack etc. of a note without it?
Me too - some of that Roland kit is damn tempting...but too expensive for me. I'll have to forward the links to Mrs Monzo next time she pulls a face when I buy a £3.99 synth app.
You put the VCA in EG mode and wire it up to the Envelope Generator, or the LFO, or..?
That Demora thing, at £200+, doesn't look too spendy. Depends how capable it is I suppose. May have to take a Sunday trip to the music shops when this stuff lands. Just for research you understand
honey, i broke the bank
for this? what does it do except looking like 1960s nasa stuff and making weird noises?
That is what it does and why we're excited by it!
lol, i know
its a joke
And the problem with that is...?
Hmmm...maybe.
Don't take your cheque book, or you might end up taking this home:
Don't think I haven't considered it!
My main issue with this AIRA stuff is how it looks. By all accounts they sound great.
Yeah some of it looks a bit cheap and plasticky - not that I'd turn one down if I was offered it though...
If only we could return all 'unfinished' and partially useless apps, we might probably get funds for new moog ;-)
Amen Brother.
I noticed the Patch Bay has external audio in, any idea how that could potentially be used? Or is that just an audio through?
In the Moog? If so, that will go through the filter. Not positive that it also goes through the envelope. It orta.
Just checked the manual and it only says it goes through the filter. If that's the case that is a big big bummer for me. Means you can't easily patch another OSC in to use along with this. Perhaps it is possible via some other patching magic but I'm pretty green when it comes to that stuff.
The manual: http://www.moogmusic.com/sites/default/files/Mother_32_Manual_Web_1st_Run.pdf