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  • AQ808AQ808
    edited January 2016

    Hmm... I think I've got this figured out. In iTunes, there is a Station to Station (Deluxe Edition), and the second CD in that has a live "Stay" as its 5th track, "Stay (Live Nassau Coliseum '76)" which is 7:24 long. The studio track is 6:15 long.

    Somehow you are getting that one routed to you even though The deluxe edition isn't available in Apple music.

    Maybe you had the deluxe edition purchased and Apple Music is somehow messing it up for you?

  • AQ808AQ808
    edited January 2016

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  • AQ808AQ808
    edited January 2016

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:
    The iTunes version of S2S substitutes a live "Stay" for the studio version. Inexplicably.

    Are you sure about this? I just checked two sources and I don't think this is true.

    I just hit "play" on the track, within Apple Music, and it's a live performance. And on "Station To Station" proper.

    Is one of your two "sources" actually Apple Music?

    That is the album version, compared against the CD and an old youtube vid.

    The obvious proof that the Apple Music version isn't "live", even though it was obviously recorded to sound like it was, is the fact that Bowie is harmonizing with himself through most of the song with an entirely different cadence.

    If you have a different studio version to point to I'm definitely interested in hearing it.

    The Apple Music Station to Station Album I'm looking at has 6 Tracks and "Stay" is the 5th track.

    I'm in the US though, so maybe there is a regional thing going on?

    I'm saying no way. Listen to me. There is a loud, obvious crowd noise in the beginning. I'm in NY. I have the vinyl. I have the RYKO CD. I know the studio version like the back of my hand.

    Unless I'm insane.

    Let's just say you shouldn't be operating any heavy machinery any time soon.

    Seriously, I've just listened to the Apple Music track through my Apogee One and Ath-M50x's.

    Can you tell me at what time markers you are hearing "crowd noise"?

    Surely we can track this down and plenty of people have access to Apple Music/iTunes.

    This truly is the album version.

    And like I said, I don't know that Bowie was often able to sing multiple voices in different cadences at the same time, if at all.

    Another good test would be to play your Vinyl and the Apple Music version at the same time.

    What you are likely hearing as "crowd noise" in the beginning is what seems like the crazy splashy roomy reverb of the guitar, but in fact is likely the resonance of the loud guitar rattling the head of a snare drum in a non-isolated live recording room.

    There is no crowd.

    I'm going to ask you to close your mouth and never open it again. Regardless of what you're getting on your end, your rhetoric is obnoxious as hell. It's not cute.

    Here's a quick vid of the truth.

    You tell me.

    The live versions always seem to have a slightly faster tempo, too.

    In any case, you should learn to reel it in.

    Cry me a river.

    But, holy shit, how are you getting that on your end?

    The unfortunate thing about this situation is that we're both right!

    But what the hell is going on there? How are they giving me a different track than you? This is crazy.

    I mean, it is the only Bowie Station to Station on Apple Music!

    I wonder how many people are getting that wrong track.

    I accept your apology, clown. All of your idiotic rationale in explaining how an underling might misinterpret reverb or double-tracking as "crowd noise" is hilarious, never once imagining that there's nothing special about your ear, and that you're talking to someone that knows the difference. I told you, point-blank that I knew the studio version, inside and out. But your great imagination never once entertained the idea that an iTunes hiccup might be the culprit.

    You must be a real hit at work.

    What would I be apologizing for? Us both being right?

    Grow a skin someday crybaby.

    Yeah, it is kind of hard to believe that Apple would be sending two people a different file for the same track, so reverse engineering what the typical moron would be thinking is "crowd noise" does take some effort.

    Thing is, I don't know you, so why would I believe you know anything well, even the "back of your hand".

    And sadly, you were too dim to realize it was likely iTunes that bit your Apple Music account.

    You might just have "clowned" yourself on that one.

    What does that feel like?

  • IcepulseIcepulse

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:
    The iTunes version of S2S substitutes a live "Stay" for the studio version. Inexplicably.

    Are you sure about this? I just checked two sources and I don't think this is true.

    I just hit "play" on the track, within Apple Music, and it's a live performance. And on "Station To Station" proper.

    Is one of your two "sources" actually Apple Music?

    That is the album version, compared against the CD and an old youtube vid.

    The obvious proof that the Apple Music version isn't "live", even though it was obviously recorded to sound like it was, is the fact that Bowie is harmonizing with himself through most of the song with an entirely different cadence.

    If you have a different studio version to point to I'm definitely interested in hearing it.

    The Apple Music Station to Station Album I'm looking at has 6 Tracks and "Stay" is the 5th track.

    I'm in the US though, so maybe there is a regional thing going on?

    I'm saying no way. Listen to me. There is a loud, obvious crowd noise in the beginning. I'm in NY. I have the vinyl. I have the RYKO CD. I know the studio version like the back of my hand.

    Unless I'm insane.

    Let's just say you shouldn't be operating any heavy machinery any time soon.

    Seriously, I've just listened to the Apple Music track through my Apogee One and Ath-M50x's.

    Can you tell me at what time markers you are hearing "crowd noise"?

    Surely we can track this down and plenty of people have access to Apple Music/iTunes.

    This truly is the album version.

    And like I said, I don't know that Bowie was often able to sing multiple voices in different cadences at the same time, if at all.

    Another good test would be to play your Vinyl and the Apple Music version at the same time.

    What you are likely hearing as "crowd noise" in the beginning is what seems like the crazy splashy roomy reverb of the guitar, but in fact is likely the resonance of the loud guitar rattling the head of a snare drum in a non-isolated live recording room.

    There is no crowd.

    I'm going to ask you to close your mouth and never open it again. Regardless of what you're getting on your end, your rhetoric is obnoxious as hell. It's not cute.

    Here's a quick vid of the truth.

    You tell me.

    The live versions always seem to have a slightly faster tempo, too.

    In any case, you should learn to reel it in.

    Cry me a river.

    But, holy shit, how are you getting that on your end?

    The unfortunate thing about this situation is that we're both right!

    But what the hell is going on there? How are they giving me a different track than you? This is crazy.

    I mean, it is the only Bowie Station to Station on Apple Music!

    I wonder how many people are getting that wrong track.

    I accept your apology, clown. All of your idiotic rationale in explaining how an underling might misinterpret reverb or double-tracking as "crowd noise" is hilarious, never once imagining that there's nothing special about your ear, and that you're talking to someone that knows the difference. I told you, point-blank that I knew the studio version, inside and out. But your great imagination never once entertained the idea that an iTunes hiccup might be the culprit.

    You must be a real hit at work.

    Yeah, it is kind of hard to believe that Apple would be sending two people a different file for the same track, so reverse engineering what the typical moron would be thinking is "crowd noise" does take some effort.

    Thing is, I don't know you, so why would I believe you know anything well, even the "back of your hand".

    And sadly, you are too dim to realize it was iTunes that bit your Apple Music account.

    What does that feel like?

    All I said was that, for some reason, "Stay" is live on S2S on my Apple Music stream. I never asserted that you were wrong, or stupid for not hearing what I heard. That's your game. So you only learned later that there is, indeed, a version of the album that DOES replace the studio version w/ the live.

    Quit while you're behind, player.

  • AQ808AQ808
    edited January 2016

    All I said was that, for some reason, "Stay" is live on S2S on my Apple Music stream. I never asserted that you were wrong, or stupid for not hearing what I heard. That's your game. So you only learned later that there is, indeed, a version of the album that DOES replace the studio version w/ the live.

    Quit while you're behind, player.

    Well now, needless to say, the version of "Stay" on Apple Music is the studio version, so the problem which needed investigation was your claim.

    I don't think you need to take that personally unless you really want to.

    I was just analytically getting to the bottom of it, and now we have.

    I think that's good.

    I mean, if you actually knew what was going on, you should have said "the crappy thing is that Apple Music is replacing "Stay" on Station to Station with a live track from the deluxe album I purchased in the past. This sucks."

    But you didn't.

    So, you were wrong.

    Embrace it.

    I've got zero ill feelings on this. Mixups happen. And to be honest, I think we're both assholes.

  • IcepulseIcepulse

    @AQ808 said:

    All I said was that, for some reason, "Stay" is live on S2S on my Apple Music stream. I never asserted that you were wrong, or stupid for not hearing what I heard. That's your game. So you only learned later that there is, indeed, a version of the album that DOES replace the studio version w/ the live.

    Quit while you're behind, player.

    Well now, needless to say, the version of "Stay" on Apple Music is the studio version, so the problem which needed investigation was your claim.

    I don't think you need to take that personally unless you really want to.

    I was just analytically getting to the bottom of it, and now we have.

    I think that's good.

    I mean, if you actually knew what was going on, you should have said "the crappy thing is that Apple Music is replacing Stay on Station to Station with a live track from the deluxe album I purchased in the past. This sucks."

    But you didn't.

    So, you were wrong.

    Embrace it.

    Thing is, I don't have any purchased or uploaded version uploaded with Apple. But that's really beside the point. It's your approach. It's shit.

  • AQ808AQ808

    @Icepulse said:
    Thing is, I don't have any purchased or uploaded version uploaded with Apple. But that's really beside the point. It's your approach. It's shit.

    Get real. I'd rather start from the simplest thing and move up to the most difficult than the other way around.

    It would be nice to know why Apple would be routing you that track instead of the actual one, assuming you truly don't have any other thing conflicting with it.

    Maybe like I suggested it is a regional situation where one of their CDN's are serving the wrong file to everyone in its region.

    I definitely think it is worthy contacting Apple over, and be sure to say your further support of Apple Music depends on it.

  • IcepulseIcepulse

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:
    Thing is, I don't have any purchased or uploaded version uploaded with Apple. But that's really beside the point. It's your approach. It's shit.

    Get real. I'd rather start from the simplest thing and move up to the most difficult than the other way around.

    It would be nice to know why Apple would be routing you that track instead of the actual one, assuming you truly don't have any other thing conflicting with it.

    Maybe like I suggested it is a regional situation where one of their CDN's are serving the wrong file to everyone in its region.

    I definitely think it is worthy contacting Apple over, and be sure to say your further support of Apple Music depends on it.

    That sounds like a colossal waste of time; precious time. But I'm not surprised that you'd think otherwise!!

    ✌️

  • AQ808AQ808

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:
    Thing is, I don't have any purchased or uploaded version uploaded with Apple. But that's really beside the point. It's your approach. It's shit.

    Get real. I'd rather start from the simplest thing and move up to the most difficult than the other way around.

    It would be nice to know why Apple would be routing you that track instead of the actual one, assuming you truly don't have any other thing conflicting with it.

    Maybe like I suggested it is a regional situation where one of their CDN's are serving the wrong file to everyone in its region.

    I definitely think it is worthy contacting Apple over, and be sure to say your further support of Apple Music depends on it.

    That sounds like a colossal waste of time; precious time. But I'm not surprised that you'd think otherwise!!

    ✌️

    Yeah, I get it, you're from New York.

    Permanent chip on your shoulder.

  • IcepulseIcepulse

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:
    Thing is, I don't have any purchased or uploaded version uploaded with Apple. But that's really beside the point. It's your approach. It's shit.

    Get real. I'd rather start from the simplest thing and move up to the most difficult than the other way around.

    It would be nice to know why Apple would be routing you that track instead of the actual one, assuming you truly don't have any other thing conflicting with it.

    Maybe like I suggested it is a regional situation where one of their CDN's are serving the wrong file to everyone in its region.

    I definitely think it is worthy contacting Apple over, and be sure to say your further support of Apple Music depends on it.

    That sounds like a colossal waste of time; precious time. But I'm not surprised that you'd think otherwise!!

    ✌️

    Yeah, I get it, you're from New York.

    Permanent chip on your shoulder.

    I'll say what I'm guessing just about everyone says to you, just to stem the flow of diarrhea....

    You're right.

  • AQ808AQ808
    edited January 2016

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:

    @AQ808 said:

    @Icepulse said:
    Thing is, I don't have any purchased or uploaded version uploaded with Apple. But that's really beside the point. It's your approach. It's shit.

    Get real. I'd rather start from the simplest thing and move up to the most difficult than the other way around.

    It would be nice to know why Apple would be routing you that track instead of the actual one, assuming you truly don't have any other thing conflicting with it.

    Maybe like I suggested it is a regional situation where one of their CDN's are serving the wrong file to everyone in its region.

    I definitely think it is worthy contacting Apple over, and be sure to say your further support of Apple Music depends on it.

    That sounds like a colossal waste of time; precious time. But I'm not surprised that you'd think otherwise!!

    ✌️

    Yeah, I get it, you're from New York.

    Permanent chip on your shoulder.

    I'll say what I'm guessing just about everyone says to you, just to stem the flow of diarrhea....

    You're right.

    Right back at ya.

  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck

    RIP mister Jones. You will be missed.

  • VorgonVorgon

    I've been crying since Monday. Nothing else to say. He was my all-time hero.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    I thought somehow Bowie would life forever.

  • u0421793u0421793

    Last year one evening over beers I was discussing with a friend what the impact would be when certain people inevitably die. I predicted that when David Bowie dies it’d knock several generations sideways, a bit like how each of us in the UK was personally affected when John Peel died. Yet not quite the collective magnitude of when Lady Diana died. However, I thought it’d be up there with those. There’s quite a few culturally defining foundation joists in one’s upbringing, which, when removed, you’d notice.

    For me, I’d feel very much the same when Elton John goes. I think many people will also feel the same when Alice Cooper goes. Also, if Kate Bush goes within my lifetime. Of course, one hopes they don’t.

  • eustressoreustressor

    I've had "Moonage Daydream" going through my head all day ... partly because of my reintroduction to the tune in GOTG, but mostly because that solo at the end has a certain "time to leave this planet behind" sound that seems appropriately epic and fitting for the Other Davie Jones's departure from this rock.

    @u0421793 And, perish the thought, should those three all go on the same day, well ... There's a party in the old Waiting Room I would love to see!

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited January 2016


    The na na na na is haunting me all day

  • Redo1Redo1
    edited January 2016

    In Canada today we have much music playing Bowie on Much for 3 hours and Five Years for an hour. Repeated throughout the night till 6 am.

  • BenBen

    I've had Low and Ziggy Stardust playing in my car all week. Aladdin Sane creeped in at the end.

  • Redo1Redo1

    In case any of you were unfortunate enough(as I was) to witness the lady gaga performance from the grammys, here is something to help you forget that forever. If you were lucky enough to not have seen that grammy disaster, then....don't watch that, watch this,

  • IcepulseIcepulse

    @Redo1 said:
    In case any of you were unfortunate enough(as I was) to witness the lady gaga performance from the grammys, here is something to help you forget that forever. If you were lucky enough to not have seen that grammy disaster, then....don't watch that, watch this,

    Better.

  • Redo1Redo1
    edited March 2016

    Oh, also...I finally got hold of the Blackstar record and just want to report it looks beautiful with a very nice booklet inside. Haven't listened to it yet because I haven't been able to set aside the required quiet sit down time for it.
    Recommended purchase.

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