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iPad mixed with modular
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Been having this (maybe crazy) thought lately of mixing my iPad with some modular gear.
I've been looking at the Intelligel Korgasmatron 2 as a filter to feed sounds made on my iPad through.
New to modular though, so need some advice.
What else would I need? I presume that I need some way to send midi to the modular to trigger an envelope for the filter? What other modules would be good to have (but not too expensive)?
I also want to send two mono sounds to the modular from my iPad. Easy to set up to the left and right of the stereo output (so two oscillators in effect), but what do I need to split the stereo signal to two mono signals?
Do I need anything to level the audio signal to go into the filter, or can I just use iPad volume?
Do I need a VCA, or would the levels already be ok coming out of the filter?
Would I be better off just using the audio input of a Roland System 1m and blending in the 1m sound. I know it would not give me the dual filterness of the Korgasmatron, but still gives me the knobliness and the start of something modular for only £440 plus an iPad midi interface.
Lots of options, so my head is swimming lol
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http://www.audiodamage.com/hardware/product.php?pid=ADM09
Well that's the input sorted. Thanks
and for the record, you need something like that to make sure the levels are right, running an ipad straight in w/o a voltage change somewhere would be baaaaaad
Yeah had an incling it would be, but I'm just trying to get my head around the whole modular thing.
Just trying to see if it can be done at a reasonable cost. The Roland may still be the much cheaper option initially, but maybe less fun in the long term.
heheh "reasonable cost" belongs exactly nowhere in a modular synth discussion
Yeah, but it's all relative. About 10 years ago I had a small home studio. That cost about £15000. My iPad set up so far, has cost about £1500. I was thinking about £600 to £800 to get my foot in the modular door?
Don't know if it's of any use, but the Korg Minilogue and DSI Morpho both have audio ins.
It would be handy for modular synth people to have a note taking app that could take pictures, and record voice memos, so you could take a picture of your patch, and record a little sound sample, so you can recall good sounds later.
you can use the iPad headphone output for control voltages. They're about 1V while Eurorack expects 5V, but it already works. You can add gain with a small mixer if it's necessary.
But of course it's much better to have a nice MIDI-CV converter, be it standalone or as a module. There are actually two types of converters. One (Expert Sleepers) uses audio card outputs (also S/PDIF and ADAT) for CV output, the others have dedicated CV output onboard. One of the most versatile at the moment is Shuttle Control by Endorphines with 16 configurable outputs. But there are a number of other, smaller choices, for example from Doepfer.
Starting a modular system with a filter is a good idea. I still have my A-122 lowpass that I bought almost 20 ago, and I still use it occasionally. What you definitely need is a rack and a power supply. Then you can add a module every year, something like that.
To save even more money, there are DIY kits with very good modules. And the new (release in a few months) Zero Coast synth from Makenoise looks very promising. Maybe this is the better choice for the beginning? I would say yes. For $500 you get a full synth voice with exotic functions. More than what you could get with Eurorack. And it's compatible, so you can first get the Zero Coast and later start with Eurorack. Because what I also wanted to say: it is good to inform yourself first. Spend the next months reading and studying Muffwiggler discussions (Muffwiggler is the nodal point of synthesiser message boards, including developers) and listen to many Soundcloud and video examples.
That is the Makenoise Zero Coast system:
Nice synths, but I really want more control to start a modular set up
Thanks @Phil999
A lot of useful info there.
So if I added the Odie for audio and a midi to cv conv, a basic envelope gen, a case and power supply and VCA to the Korgasmatron 2, I have a basic little set up?
I've been looking at cases and they seem to be at extremes. Either really big or tiny lol. I know I need to add the hp value of the modules, but how do I know if the power supply will be enough to handle the modules I want? Or is it not an issue with only the few modules I want to start with?
Muffwiggler eh! Sorry for being a big kid, but that made me laugh
You can also find a lot of info here:
https://www.modulargrid.net
First gen Beatstep comes with ios->CV/gate for like $50 on Craigslist. Plus, a sequencer.
The BSP comes with more than double that (in terms of analog IO and sequencers).
I still haven't consumed the modular Kool Aid. Thank god case+power is expensive enough to keep me out. There are a few specific modules I would love to have but they all come with this initial hundreds of dollars entry fee (case+power) and the threat of addiction on the other side!
That zero coast synth though... Definitely excited to play with it. Interesting to think that with that, the Mother-32 and maybe the Erebus, you can get an awful lot of semi-modular synth for not that much scratch.
Thanks
@syrupcore
Got to admit I am tempted with the Mother 32 as a start, but then I still have to buy a case to add modules.
The case really is the pain. It's hard to spend £200 on just a case, but then thinking about it, my iPad is sort of a £500 case lol
I have a full-size MOTM modular and I built my own wooden cabinet for it. I'm pretty sure you could do the same for a Eurorack system.
Hmmm I'm so tempted with a mother 32 and the extra case plus a power supply rack unit all in the two tier stand. Then add extra when the case comes
Yep I've seen the power supplies etc, but my wood working tools are all gone from the last house move. Hiring tools may make it just as expensive and look like Homer Simpson made it
Isn't he (Homer) shhhhh, working on the prototype iCar?
Yes because Apple found he was cheap (a six pack of Duff per day).
At least we know it will have a decent drinks holder
Think of the IAP's (in automobile purchases) every kind of Donut known to mankind, and some only to Homer.
Mmmmmmmmm dooooonut
actually I don't know what it means, I'm not English speaking. I guess something immodest. Although I heard that the name was derived from two EHX guitar pedals, Big Muff, and Wiggler.
Yes there are many options today in modular synths. As much as never before. The Moog Mother certainly is a good synth as well. I'm tempted too.
As @MrNezumi said, there are alternative options for a case. Low cost Doepfer or other company, cheap 19" racks, Ikea, Lego ... My first skiff I made from a single wood slat, sawed it into three pieces, and screwed the modules directly onto them, creating an open two row 54HP thing, powered by the Shuttle Control (the converter module I spoke about earlier; it also functions as a power supply for 5-6 modules). This worked very good. Fits easily in a backpack.
For power consumption calculation just follow the link above to Modulargrid. There you can build your real system and check out the consumption for 12V, -12V, and 5V. It's quite accurate. Here is my portable rack which exists in reality: https://www.modulargrid.net/e/racks/view/54244. I would say that Modulargrid is almost essential. Makes planning so much easier.
I agree, cases and power are the more difficult decisions one has to make. There are modular solutions where you can expand rack space and power supply. There are also watertight cases from Synthrotek. Which one to choose I cannot say, I have custom solutions, also from private sellers from music message boards. It's worthwile to check those sales threads regularly. Many sellers make a thread first and wait a week or two before they sell it on ebay. And they're trustworthy, I never ever had a single problem. Maybe 30-40% of all my gear I got from private sellers for good prices.
FWIW I've been quite happily using the "Brute LFO" App to feed a secondary LFO into my MicroBrute mod matrix. As noted above the depth of this modulation is only 1v rather than 5v, but that's usually just fine for my purposes.
Thanks for everyone's help, things are a bit clearer now
The two websites are very helpful.
I can see why people could get addicted to the modular thing
Wow. Nice rack!
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Yeah been drooling at some of the racks on that website.....don't tell my wife
We actually have two very nice modular shops here in Portland (muffwiggler is one of them, Control Voltage is the other). It's fekkin hard to resist this stuff!
You're in Portland?
longs to go to Powell's