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In the UK we usually have to order anything like this. The Internet has been wonderful at showing this new porn.
Powell's really is something else. My favorite thing (hard to pick!) is that they mix new and used on the shelves so you might go in looking for something and find a used copy of the same for 1/3 the price right next to it. No hunting.
That sounds like a great place. I have to admit, at first I thought you two were talking about Powell Skateboards. I was like new And USED!? Thankfully Google solved that right up.
@Fruitbat1919 you can also look at Roland's Aira Modular synths. I think the Demora world be fun to play around with. Especially with the free app to go along with it
@TGiG I agree. The Demora is on my if-I-go-there shortlist.
Good call. I am quite impressed with Roland of late.
My head is going with a Moog Mother 32 and a case to add modules later. My heart keeps coming back to the more esoteric modules, but my wife has firm hands on an initial limited budget
just heard that the MM32 needs a buffered multiple for certain external V/octave sources for proper pitch tracking. Its internal buffered multiple doesn't work for this task. That's strange, but I guess this is the result of modern (cheap) fabrication of analogue synths. They have lots of options, good sound, cost not much, but there may be surprises. Which may cost money and additional rack space.
It's really worth the effort to collect some information, especially from independent sources, before purchase. This MM32 pitchtracking detail is just one example.
Agree. I am reading like a mad man.
To be honest, I'm in no rush, so not going to dive in. I think I will spend the next couple of months reading and listening.
The thing I must try to avoid though, is to get so many ideas, that I end up never actually buying anything
Another option is to take the need for iPad integration out of the equation to begin with and just get the modules for something that starts me off. I'm still tempted to base it around the Korgasmatron2, as the videos I have seen of it peak my aural interest. The only downside is £300 is a large chunk of my available initial outlay. I could get a basic filter for £60 or less. Hmmmm back to reading lol
Ok I have an account on ModularGrid and worked on a basic starter setup, but no idea how to post it here. It comprises of the following:
Doepfer:
A190-3 midi to cv
A180 multiple
A143-4 vclfo / vco
A138 mixer
A141-2 vcadsr
A130 VCA
Intelligel:
Korgasmatron2 filter
This comes just under my budget, without a case, so would have to save a little longer for a case.
Am I missing anything, or be wise to change something?
looks good.
And with a small MIDI interface for iPad it can be integrated as clock and modulation source already.
I use my iPad as the master sequencer to drive my modular system. In my case I run the iPad into a iConnectMIDI 2 and then connect that to an Expert Sleepers FH-1. It's a very configurable set up. I have it set up to work with Patterning, outputting trigger and velocity cv which is a blast. But the Doepfer midi interface will be cheaper for sure.
me too I'm heavily using Patterning and midiSequencer with the modular. Also some audio processing using an iU2 interface, but mostly only for the Oscilloscope app. The idea is to 'outsource' digital stuff to iPad and PC, which is much cheaper than digital modules.
Software/apps don't have that flexibility as modules, but it's good enough for many things. And some things are unique in software like Patterning, not available (yet) as module or not quite the same.
Patterning is so hands-on - I think it pairs really well with the modular.
@bennorland @Phil999
Is the A190-3 a reasonable choice for a starter kit running midi from my iPad?
The choice of kit is a tad overwhelming
One reason for going for quite a bit of Doepfer is the easy availability here in the UK.
there is no envelope follower in this set up
so u can create cv and triggers from audio ...
Yeah changed my mind about using audio into the modular to start with, just going to sequence it from iPad midi.
I think it's a good choice, I just saw that it has a USB port. Are you planning to attach the iPad/CCK to this USB port? I'm not sure if that works. I think Shuttle Control is the only one to date with this option.
Although a direct connection is not really necessary I believe. Most of the time I connect the modular (Shuttle Control) to the computer, connect the iPad to the computer with the standard charging cable (using Studiomux for MIDI i/o), and route MIDI inside the DAW. With the A-190-3 this should be possible too.
a note about USB MIDI: can be problematic (noise from computer PSU). Not so with Shuttle Control, and I guess not so with the A-190-3. Better double check.
I recently took most of my Eurorack modules out of a 9U case and put them in a cardboard box using Tip Top z-rails so I could go mobile with my modular synth and iPad mini. This video shows BeatMaker 2 running on the iPad sending two channels of MIDI from a cheap USB to MIDI interface to the Pittsburgh MIDI2 module which outputs CV to the other modules. The audio from the modular synth is fed back into the iPad through an iRig 2. I got the Korgasmatron in their as well. Great module. Since I made this video, I upgraded to a Roland Duo-Capture EX for the MIDI/Audio interface. I started my modular hobby with a MFB Kraftzwerg. Although it's a stand-alone semi-modular synth (not unlike the Mother 32), the one I got came with a Eurorack plate. So, after a few months of noodling with it solo, I bought a Tip Top Happy Ending Kit and mounted it along with some Expert Sleepers modules to interface with the computer. Good luck!
Peace \/
chisel316
@Fruitbat1919 Unless you really need the USB connection you might want to check out the PM MIDI 3. Not much more money and has a few very nice (looking, never tried it) extra features like support for duophony and a clockable arpeggiator. http://controlvoltage.net/pittsburgh-modular-midi-3/dp/1678
Nice vide/tune @chisel316. Just learned about the Happy Ending Kit today. Cheap enough (relatively speaking) that it might just push me over the edge.
You can save a lot of money if you solder some modules:
https://www.thonk.co.uk
I'm in the UK too (can't sleep). A few observations.
No idea about noise from USB. The A190-3 is (according to the Doepfer site) identical to the MIDI unit in the Dark Energy. I have to use the iConnectMIDI in my set up because the module I use (FH-1) is a USB host. I don't think that is the case with the A190-3, since it is designed to plug direct into a computer (which is itself a USB host). The thing to remember is that you probably cannot just plug a normal USB controller (which is not a host) direct into the A190-3. Make sense? You could check reviews of the Dark Energy - if it does what you want, then the A190-3 should do what you want too.
Cases: Thonk is great for cheap options. They sell a rails and Perspex end cheek set up that is pretty low cost. And also a rails and metal end bracket set up that I bought and then made really simple wooden end cheeks for myself out of a discounted cutting board from TKMaxx's kitchen department.
If you are near London there are a couple of modular showroons worth visiting. London Modular are apparently really nice folk, and I can highly reccomend Red Dog's pop up shop in Denmark St (Wed to Sat, 11-7 inside the Relentless showroom) There's gear on show in both places. They'll also order in exotic gear for you if that's what you want.
Also, every question you have ever had has probably been answered somewhere on the MuffWiggler forums...
true, and in future I'm going to search more for DIY kits before I buy assembled modules. RYO (roll your own) offers some great affordable modules judging from the demo videos. When new money comes in I'm going to order the RYO Aperture and Paths kits.
http://escapefromnoise.com/en/manufacturer/ryo/
Further to the USB question, just looked up the Shuttle Control - it has both to host and from host connectors — as such that is very flexible....
... and a connector for a USB lamp.
The new firmware even allows to send MIDI from one connection to the other (both ways). Also it has internal LFO's with different waveforms including S&H and smoothed S&H. Uni- and bipolar CC's, note triggers, up to 8 voice polyphony, etc. Everything you wish. It's a good investment for the future.
Hi everyone. Just emerging. Lots to digest.
I think, I am leaning more to making my own case now. Thanks for posting
@Phil999 @bennorland
Was thinking just Din Midi and using the iConnectMidi for cost. The A190-3 I've seen in UK for pretty cheap, but am going to take some time to think about my options here. Thanks for all the great info